What happed to buruma man? I miss them

you're waxing poetic about being a nonce

Do Japanese schoolgirls still wear these for gym class?

Bloomers still existed in the early 90s. But, yeah, you only saw them in anime in the early 00s and 10s because creators grew up with them which is why they appear less and less now outside of deliberate throwbacks.

Same shirts, but with gym shorts.

No, it has been mentioned before that bloomers aren't a thing nowadays.

Anime, like everything in general now, is being written less and less with real experience as a basis

I don't care. Caring too much about lived experience has destroyed romanticism in the west and I'd dread to see it happen in the east.

those anime series with bloomers won't be gone and we can still enjoy them for what they are

Another upside is that they'll still likely have the bloomers for inevitable remakes too. We also may get anime inspired by these anime that copy them, even if not knowing the original reason why they were there.

lived experience

destroyed romanticism

lollmao/

I do state in the next line that it has upsides too (chiefly through romanticism and such). It is just that it means we have less of the little interesting things you'd see that were actually based off of something that happened. The little elements of the creators life that may go over ones head.

You're just an otaku who's never been outside. I get it, I'm like that as well, but that's isn't true for most people, or they would not have been so depressed during covid and quarantine.
As for bloomers, then it's just a time gap. Young artist will probably switch to current day swimsuits. Unless they grew up with gacha.

Haven't been a thing since the late 80s
A lot of woman just like short shorts.

They still use real world experience though. That's why no one uses buruma anymore because it stopped existing with current 30 year olds and younger.

Most school SOL is still based on the real world. Just not the bloomer wearing time period. Fantasy has always been fantasy. It's just that we are seeing a lot of cheap fantasy series being made on a shoestring budget.

Shorts are fine too.

Humanity has fallen because of the decline of bloomers in anime or something. Holy shit you are delusional.

You misread my post. It was really saying anything super negative or super positive. Just stating something that many can observe, that culture is a lot more stagnant nowadays (which could be good or bad depending on how you look at it). Compare the differences between now and 2000, and the differences between the 60s and 40s.

Unless they're fetish wear for the bedroom.

This is what i saw when i lived there in 2018, but I heard some schools in the rural parts still had the ones in the picture

.You are a pseudointellectual and probably very young, pretending you're saying anything profound by making blanket statements like "man... culture is stagnant nowadays..." and your evidence of this is literally just school attire evolving over time. Bloomers aren't common anymore therefore "there isn't a world today outside of the internet"? Unironically go outside, it'd be better for your health.

A good example of this is Christmas music and how, aside from a handful of songs (all i want for christmas is you mariah carey) most songs are still from the 30s-60s

Anime is dealing with the same problem where alot of the generic tropes are still around since the 2000s and aren't going anywhere. In this case, it's not really good or bad but shows alot of issues with it.

When did they phase them out? And why?

No, moralfaggotry, corporatism, regulations and religion killed romanticism in the west.

Fashion trends coming and going as usual, but they were kind of controversial during the 90s because of coomers (who weren't school staff) on school property or following them home.

I've only read comments of people saying that, in the end, they were phased out because, let's be honest, they are kind of revealing and more than anything else, bloomers are obviously something that goes in the category of ''they look like panties but aren't panties'', so, they stopped being a thing for the most part.

I've heard something like ''feminism in Japan contributed to the disappearance of bloomers'' but of course, take those comments with a bucket of salt...I guess it's just possible that wearing those bloomers in real life (I mean, it happened, they were attire for schools a long time ago) was kind of embarrassing, it may have also contributed to instaces of sexual harassment, but who knows.

BD sitch where?

The same thoughtfulness in Japan that allows them to service us well sexually, contributes to this. In this case, they think of how they can best service the girl comfortwise without compromising too much on breathability.

I've heard something like ''feminism in Japan contributed to the disappearance of bloomers''

You're partially right. Most of the big stink came from helicopter parents and foreigners visiting Japan, but it's all pretty much the same mix of "shamefur dispray".

Yeah. There's a reason why sportswear is often kind of revealing, sportswear is supposed to be comfortable and easy to move in and bloomers were in service of that, comfort, easy to move in and breathability.

If those shorts in Blue Reflection Ray (which I already mentioned) are representative of what the girls wear now, it's a good compromise.

It makes one kind of feel bad for the girls. Generations probably didn't think much of what they were wearing. Then you got the ones who were exposed to people who started pointing out how much of their butts it showed off. These girls then started to probably feel legitimate shame over having to parade their butts around regularly at school. It then persisted until it was strong enough to make a Japanese institution budget and design new outfits. It is like the forbidden fruit.
Funnily enough, I believe the girls still have slightly shorter gym shorts even after the change.

*budge not budget

I can see the idea of it being revealing and loser men sexually assaulting the girls over it to be a big factor as to why it was removed. I do think it's a mix of that, fashion trends, along with Westerners seeing it for the first time and getting creeped out by it

I think shorts are fine. I do like to watch anime and whenever I see Bloomers, I know it's from that era

Shortservice could beat bloomers if they'd have more fun with the pantlegs. Let us see up then, possibly up to panties in more ecchi works. Also highlight the looseness some shorts have, have them ripple around and cling to the butt. Maybe occasionally have them fall down or get pulled off.

Red or blue? Which color looks better in bloomers?

Sources: Ro-kyu-Bu! SS and Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya.

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red

Blue is my favorite color but one can easily make the argument that they stand out more in red.

I get that argument but why werent the boys wearing also similar outfits? im not even a faggot or a shotacon but I find it kinda curious how only the girls were wearing those outfits, I think ive only seen a couple of shows in which girls are wearing bloomers and the boys really short shorts

IRL Japanese women hated them and campaigned to have them phased out so their daughters wouldn't have to wear them. It actually wasn't just a Japanese thing though. I got sent down a rabbit hole and apparently similar apparel was used in Britain and even the US up through the 80s it was just never super widespread and wasn't immortalized by domestic media. In the US at least film and animation was concentrated in California where that style of sport wear was never used. Because of anime only Japan is remembered for this choice of gym clothing.

Who knows, the only thing I can think of is that they maybe had the idea of ''girls and boys should wear distinct clothes'', so, the girls had bloomers and boys had more normal looking shorts.

In franchises such as Azumanga Daioh and Higurashi that's often the case, so, that must have been how it was in real life.

Red is the classic

I've read discussions about this and it basically came down to them being embarrassing for several reasons.

First it required more meticulous care of body hair (which was stressful for girls who couldn't regularly afford razors)

Secondly, it was easy for the bloomers to slip or ride up and reveal your actual panties underneath

Lastly, and SUPER IMPORTANTLY women in Japan mostly still wear pads instead of tampons and before pad material got thinner in the 90s pads were really thick so the outline of the pad could show through the bloomers meaning it could be very obvious when the wearer was menstruating.

Obviously girls did not like that bloomers were not only revealing but would indicate if they were on their periods. Difficult enough for an adult woman to deal with but horrible for young girls who are still learning to deal with all that bs. Reading all that I was aghast it had ever been approved, it wasn't a mistake to switch to shorts.

Yeah, with exceptions like the Ro-Kyu-Bu! franchise (mostly because of Hinata), red is more common in anime series of the 90s and early 2000s, it would be later in the 21st century with shows like Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya for example, where blue bloomers would become popular and now *if* an anime series has bloomers, it's only in blue or mostly in blue.

it wasn't a mistake to switch to shorts.

what about spats? arent they the best of both worlds?

The baggy basketball style shorts are an improvement over bloomers but I will say that spats/yoga-shorts are even more comfortable and surprisingly less revealing (no one can see up your shorts when doing things like crunches or sit ups because the legs on spats fit tightly) so in theory it should be spats > shorts > bloomers . . . But spats do still have the issue of being too revealing when wearing menstrual pads and women in Japan mostly STILL use pads instead of tampons so I think the choice in gym wear is downstream of preferences for menstrual products. This is a known issue even in the US as pertaining to certain sports with tighter/more revealing uniforms.

women in Japan mostly STILL use pads instead of tampons

Btw it's not just in Japan that pads are more common, third worlder here and pads are the standard choice. Source: my sisters and their friends.

Too erotic. NG for woke Japan.

What happened to Kagome, man? I miss her.

It mirrors the end of the cowboy days with the rise of the industrial revolution. The world is always changing sometimes better sometimes worse. The fact is though is that the world is always going through some sort of change. Everything in life is a response to the past generation based on how the current generation grew up. Outsiders will always try to change things to the point where it wont just be outsiders anymore doing it but the people itself who want things to change. Sort of like you said art is being made to reflect art now instead of the real world not because of simply people not looking to real life anymore but because online and real life have blurred. Look at some many new stores or restaurants now they are all white and very block shaped. They dont want to stand out too much because its scary to do that now even everyone has grown up with a camera on them at all times. People are scared now to like weird nontraditional stuff more then ever because they will get letteral credit for having safe and popular taste. Its Hegel’s Dialectics to use a fancy term to sum it all up.

But spats do still have the issue of being too revealing when wearing menstrual pads and women in Japan mostly STILL use pads instead of tampons so I think the choice in gym wear is downstream of preferences for menstrual products.

oh well thats understandable specially because we are talking about kids, im not a fan of baggy shorts or to be more precise the baggy style in general, so maybe normal shorts should do the job

as for my preferences, its obvious
spats > shorts = bloomers

Yeah worldwide pads are more common. Spats would help keep them in place against the body better in movement so they really are the superior choice in terms of comfort but if they aren't visually discreet enough young girls wont want to use them.

I actually think the best option would be gym skirts with matching spats attached underneath. Would solve basically all the problems people have in terms of comfort and modesty and they would be cuter. Pic related, spoilered for 3dpg.

We don't get these either. We don't even get short-shorts anymore.
Anime now just has tracksuits for gym wear, even in the 40C summer

There was also a massive pushback against this anime. With spillover affecting the game and getting it delayed on playstation.

foreigners visiting Japan

Source?

If you read books and appreciate paintings from before the 1920s you can see the pace of cultural change was slow back then too. You could go hundreds of years in between inventions as important to daily life as the car or audiovisual mass media and the early 20th century had both at once

Like others have pointed out, these were things that were already gone irl before most of our favorite anime even aired.

They were in anime because the anime creators had them in their schools when they were going to high school.
It's like us, if we think "Gym time in 11th grade", we'll think of girls in spats and short-shorts, cheerleaders in miniskirts, boys in baggy pants, except none of that is true for us either if you look at modern high school. Same thing is applied to swimwear too.

What's happened is a new generation of animators has aged past high school, and have never seen bloomers outside of anime. So they draw what they did see. I think you're right that we keep seeing them come back as a way to keep Anime locked to the late 90's/2000s. But it's being done by people who are younger than 20 and weren't even old enough to know what 2016 was like, much less 1999.

I think the choice of red for the bloomers is really interesting in light of red long being associated with undergarments for Japanese women. Pre Westernization red underskirts were worn under kimono and at the turn of the century red petticoats were standard issue for Japanese nurses (you see it all the time in shunga featuring nurses). Was red chosen for bloomers out of old tradition or was it another reason?

Seems like a lot of the problem was the choice of material used, as mentioned upthread bloomer like garments were also worn in other Western countries but if you look at images of what was being worn the fabric material is a lot thicker, it isn't necessarily as flattering (some of them looked really dumpy) but I don't think the girls would have had the same issues as their Japanese counterparts.

In Britain and America they seem to have fallen off primarily due to more general modesty concerns, a lot of the US at least can be quite conservative so it's surprising they were ever issued at any schools.

I dont think even seen that kind of skirt before, the closest thing that comes to mind are the skirts ( + spats ) that some tennis player wear

They're pretty common where I live so it must be a regional fashion trend, they are mostly associated with tennis but are functional for most sports.

but why werent the boys wearing also similar outfits?

Don't know about Japan but worldwide shorts were pretty common for men, both for gym class and in general fashion. Everything from mid thigh to barely below the crotch level. Search up "high school gym class 1950s" or something similar and you'll find a bunch of images from high school physical exams were the guys are wearing what's essentially the male equivalent to bloomers (and are typically shirtless too, so it really was a case were both genders were getting blasted with eyecandy). And even beyond gym class, look up what basketball trunks used to look like till about the 80s, they were nearly legless; don't know why they suddenly became super long and baggy, most probably an effect of fashion trends towards baggy clothes, but its also around this time that these super short shorts fall off the face of the world in the west too. Still, as of the past one to two decades really revealing gym clothing has become trendy, but Japan has mostly stuck to more baggy stuff.
My main concern with Japan is whether or not they'll even keep uniforms considering that most other countries have done away with them in the name of "modernization" and "liberalization". I remember seeing a thread a few years back were an anon was complaining that some womens advocacy groups in Japan were campaigning for uniforms to be banned. It was under these same types of bullshit pressure that school uniforms got done away in my country too, though that was back in the early 80s

look up what basketball trunks used to look like till about the 80s, they were nearly legless

yeah im pretty aware of those, I think that was the norm for a lot of sports back then, in futbol ( soccer ) was also pretty normal for guys to wear really short shorts, I used to joke with the lads about wearing shorts ala mexico 86 because how ridiculous they looked, btw the point I was trying to make is that we dont see the boys wearing those clothes in anime/manga as often as the girls wearing bloomers, both should be wearing those ''revealing'' clothes and yet most of the attention/representation goes to bloomers

Baggy school gym clothing is still the norm where I live in America. More revealing gym wear is reserved for specific school sports like gymnastics, swim, ballet and volleyball and in some places, track.

They were made to be utilitarian, women have thicker thighs and that was the idea behind them in the first place.
Them being extra thin for Japan makes sense when you realize school uniforms are also the cheapest shit ever made. If anyone in these threads had a uniform, unless you went to a fancy private school, they were absolute garbage that were intentionally made light with tons of bad materials that would rip/tear at the slightest provocation.

a lot of the US at least can be quite conservative

Isn't one of the Amerifat culture things making girls jump around in miniskirts and tank tops?

Skorts are the latest gymwear at basically any school besides shorts.

Them being extra thin for Japan makes sense when you realize school uniforms are also the cheapest shit ever made

AFAIK, Japanese school uniforms are actually pretty premium. Not sure if that would've been the case in post-WWII Japan though, since I imagine there was a lack of everything.

Huh, those gym skirts are one of the few instances where looks and function meet together, that looks good and definitely solves the all the problems, wonder why they aren't more common.

Yeah its weird messy situation of having lots of zoomers who have a contradicting mix of not wanting girls to be sexualized while also cheering them on for being half naked because its empowerment

remember seeing a thread a few years back were an anon was complaining that some womens advocacy groups in Japan were campaigning for uniforms to be banned.

I think that's where everything is going. In the west uniforms were done away with because everyone universally agreed that the people making them were creating garbage that looked terrible, and that kids parents could buy better clothes for cheaper.

I know it's different in Japan because they have something resembling standards, but prepare for anime to look like Saved by the Bell where everyone is wearing tight denim.

Zoomers live in a world of contradictions because if they mention on instagram that they like the tight-fitting skirts and bloomers of their cheerleading team, they will, in fact, catch a ban and lose 90% of their social circle. So they socially veer hard in the conservative direction while effectively living in the same liberal world as anyone else, and they know this and drop all pretenses IRL. The puritanism is performative to keep their friends list.

So when are women gonna stop wearing bikinis? They're just lingerie.

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and that just dates me and shows what a fossil I am compared to me even a short while back in high school.

Notice how they're basically being phased out of anime, right now? And you can go to any beach in Japan or America and still see them. I even see girls at the gym wearing sportswear/bloomers. Reality doesn't play much of a part in this because it's having to toe the reality of the most offended parts of society who will never be happy. And Japan's problem with it is turned up to 11 because of the stigma around sexualizing anybody who is still in some form of primary schooling.

bloomer are much better for a design and good for the user. Thats the biggest shame of them being taken away they are being replaced with a worse version it would be like giving a solider a worse gun because its easier

American culture is one of extreme opposites. Yes, there are a lot of sports with surprisingly skimpy uniforms. But *a lot* of parents are surprisingly conservative about things like allowing their daughters to shave their legs or using tampons, both of which have implications for gym apparel. When I was in school (which wasn't that long ago), everyone knew multiple girls that basically got by via the charity of other girls to discretely provide them tampons and shaving tools because their parents forbad it. I'm in some online fitness groups and you'll see it come up every year where a sports coach has to have this discussion with parents, their daughter can't do the sport unless she's allowed to use different menstrual products and it isn't realistic to expect them to not shave their legs either.

It makes me wonder how parents handled things when shorter uniform pants like bloomers were more common. But I get the impression that parents actually used to have a lot less say in things like this and that there was way less individualism about grooming. The school says your daughter has to wear hot pants and shave her legs, and that was it, parents didn't complain.

That part is often overlooked by talking about Zoomers or Gen Alpha. The fact that they have lived their entire life with everything they say being saved and it being way easier to publicly shame them for not staying in line and more people finding out then it use to be. Most of them cant even like things like bloomers publicly

bikinis phased out of anime

Don't tell me you've fallen for the bikinischizo's bullshit.

unless you went to a fancy private school, they were absolute garbage that were intentionally made light with tons of bad materials that would rip/tear at the slightest provocation.

I went to both private and public schools and the quality of the uniforms its up to the parents budget, even the cheapest uniforms werent as shitty as you might think

First it required more meticulous care of body hair (which was stressful for girls who couldn't regularly afford razors)

isn't that gonna be an issue as long as you're wearing any kind of shorts

In the west uniforms were done away with because everyone universally agreed that the people making them were creating garbage that looked terrible,

Is that why they were done away with in the anglosphere? Here in Greece they were done away with because the government in 82 considered them to be "oppressive" to women (nevermind that boys also wore uniforms). Our school unifroms were pretty homogeneous across all ages, girls got a blue full body dress, typically went to knee level. It was an interesting case where despite being incredibly modest it was also relatively thin so if any girls wanted to show off their figure they could just tie it tight and accentuate their hips and breasts.
Anyways I've always preferred uniforms over free dress in school, avoids all the over fashion crap, but its one of those things that once it's gone, it's gone.

I had uniforms growing up in the US and they were SHIT. Ugly ugly ugly. I wondered why the kids in anime were able to wear nice uniforms while we had to wear 'French Toast'. I've gone to visit family in Mexico and the uniforms there are so varied, lots of them are quite beautiful. America just can't do things right and doesn't actually value aesthetics. If a bumfuck town in Mexico could afford nice looking uniforms why couldn't they do that in the US?

mentioned in a different post that they are basically the ideal gym wear

AFAIK, Japanese school uniforms are actually pretty premium.

Yeah and take that with a grain of salt since I'm using experience with American private schools (bad uniforms, everything is crap, cheapest lowest-bidder garbage is common). I have not seen nor ever touched Japanese bloomers, the latext stuff made by Nike was common sport wear when I was going through school like, 10-15 years ago.

My bad, I didn't realize you were still talking about bloomers. But the way you phrased it made it sound like bikinis were going away.

I went to both private and public schools and the quality of the uniforms its up to the parents budget

The private school I went to had a list of vendors who made the uniforms and it was a requirement to purchase from them. Other ones may be different. There was a good brand and a bad brand and the bad one, of course, was the one the school recommended to everyone.

Yes but bloomers will also require pubic grooming while alternatives like shorts, spats and athletic skirts do not. Maybe not an issue for an adult woman choosing to wear them but I can see why that could be stressful for a 12 year old girl who has to carefully ration her shaving supplies.

Nah it's fine, I meant that we used to have uniforms for Gym that looked similar to what is seen in anime, and I still see them today at the gym. It's just standards for reality are now even less strict than reality for fiction because everyone wants fiction to be network television.

over here they dont tell you were to buy your shit, they only show you the uniform and then you are free where to buy it, with that said there are or were some schools that tried to sell their own uniforms, shoes and sneakers and in those situations the result was bad, its like you said in your posts, the quality was horrible, but thats literally the exception, like I said you are free to buy wherever you want according to your family's budget

Dang, that sounds like a sweet deal actually. I went to school in the US but I guess the one I went to had a deal with several manufacturers. They got rid of them just before I graduated middle school.

Here in Greece they were done away with because the government in 82 considered them to be "oppressive" to women (nevermind that boys also wore uniforms).

That's a strange line of thought. Did anyone at the time challenge them to come up with a reason why it was more harmful to women than men?

Our school unifroms were pretty homogeneous across all ages, girls got a blue full body dress, typically went to knee level. It was an interesting case where despite being incredibly modest it was also relatively thin so if any girls wanted to show off their figure they could just tie it tight and accentuate their hips and breasts.

I can definitely see why. Here in the states when I went to high school, the dress code was so loose that some girls just went to school in their sleep wear. Which was long underwear + loose shirt. The rules for dress codes were always kind of bad, and I think it's that way everywhere.

Depends on the bloomers. The high-cut ones you see in anime I think are exaggerated.

why couldn't they do that in the US?

its not that they cant afford it, its more about muh freedumz, in tacoland you are only allowed to wear whatever you want until college and even then only certain colleges allow that, for the most part you still have to wear uniforms

I think the problem in general is that Reality has become so intensely retarded that it's starting to resemble many a dystopian story where the stupidest and ugliest people run everything.

Pic related was Nike's Paris Olympics submissions that had people demanding Nike be shunned from making Olympic uniforms at all, but I see women wearing this on the track or swimming today. You can even buy it in their shop. So of course they're going to go after high schoolers wearing basically this because the people complaining cannot understand that other people with different bodies than them exist.

They understand, they want them to cover up with the feminist burqa.

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Did anyone at the time challenge them to come up with a reason why it was more harmful to women than men?

So from what I've gathered the argument was centered around the fact that dress code had collapsed due to the war and subsequent occupation and civil war, leading to children wearing whatever their parents could scrounge up. Once regular schooling had been restored by the early 50s the compromise was that boys would only have to wear a school cap and their "sunday best" while girls had to wear a black dress. Then by the early sixties the normal uniforms were restored but boys dress code got been lightened in 1964, removing the need to wear the hat (apparently spurred on by a fashion movement in Athenian schools).
Then following the fall of the military Junta in 1974 a lot of high schoolers just stopped wearing their uniforms (a blue jacket and shorts by this point) and this caused tension with the girls since noone bothered enforcing dresscode on the boys. This spurred the first socialist government to do away with uniforms completely in early 1982. So it was mostly just rebellious high schooler fashion trends that became formalized at all levels

That's an interesting bit of history, and it seems to be more of the same thing happening today: tension because the dress code isn't as appealing to girls as boys. Since slacks + shirt is what boys will wear for the rest of their lives.

I've only seen something that revealing on beaches, I think its reasonable to not want that to be an official uniform. I mean it looks nice but its weird for the women's variant to reveal so much of the mons pubis while the men's shorts are mid thigh. Like you'd absolutely need to get a brazilian wax to wear that and that shouldn't be obligated. The colors are honestly pretty ugly too.

It looks different when people are actually wearing it. The mannequins are exaggerated so it doesn't have wrinkles. The ones in the middle of this picture are that uniform in two different colors, and I've seen women wearing that commonly around the gym and on the track.
It's basically just shave legs up to the thighs.

And here's the models Nike brought in, which probably didn't do them any favors because it's supposed to cover the midriff.

they look better there

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