Why cant nips do CGI well? Is it a cultural thing or doesnt Japan want to import real talent...

I'll take shit animation over having nogs and homos infesting my screen.

Nips do lighting wrong preferring to shade things by hand.
Nips like to hand pose models on 4s because by golly thats how it worked on paper.
Because Nips want to do both those things by hand, they tend to have really simple 3d models as well to make that easier for them.

When nips do a purely 3d piece of animation they tend to do less of these things. But in mixed 2d/3d it's pretty much ubiquitous.

3D isn't bad by necessity, the problem is it's almost always used to save time and money, especially in anime.
btw Arcane isn't a super good benchmark because it's unironically probably the best 3d animation in a series the US has made (series, mind you, not movie).

When are they going to create a cgi anime with animation that rivals Arcane?

Unironically never

Because Arcane had a budget of 250 millions?

Still Not watching this woke slop trannie

Anime is nowhere near big enough to match western budgets

Because the show above had a budget of over 200 million dollars.

Why cant nips do CGI well?

They can, look at the FF7 Advent Children or any of the CGI cinematics for FFXIV
Arcane took 2 years to make and costs $250mil per season, while anime costs like $1mil per episode
You can't expect Japs on a week-to-week schedule to shit out Arcane quality anime
Square Enix with their unlimited money and time can, but they're not in that business
youtube.com/watch?v=hRoC_SF7YgE

btw Arcane isn't a super good benchmark because it's unironically probably the best 3d animation in a series the US has mad

Arcane is made fully in France by French animators

I thought Dorohedoro was alright for CG. It helped that it had some of the best backgrounds in anime.

France is a colony of America

best western comics are French

best western cartoon is French

a series the US has made

Not made in the US. That's why it's good

That bar is extremely low.

Eh, there’s decent comics. You just have to look beyond big 2 capeshit. The issue is that the good manga are brought to the forefront of people’s attention, whereas good comics are buried in a sea of slop. Also I prefer European comics over US comics because the writer and artist are more often the same person. You rarely get that in the west, exceptions being things like Sin City and Hellboy.

Does the west have any other blank-check-budget animations besides Arcane?
A lot of the popular ones still look like shit and are carried by the writing and character memes.

It doesn't but someone should really use AI to retexture DBSSH, you could literally make the whole movie look like DBZ

Just watch any anime Idol MV if you want true top tier quality. Look at the recent stuff Love Live puts out, absolutely mogs arcane

because it's unironically probably the best 3d animation in a series the US has made (series, mind you, not movie).

Does love, death, robot count? I'd argue some of its CG episodes rival Arcane

You just have to look beyond big 2 capeshit.

Eh the Daredevil stories are consistently good to this day. Same goes for Aquaman and Green Arrow. Just read stuff about B-listers and you'd be fine.

Anime is nowhere near big enough to match western budgets

It absolutely is. Pokemon, an IP people primarily know of thanks to its anime adaptation, makes far more than all of riot games put together.

Better question is why can't west put out ungodly amount of anime like Japan can? Thanks to that Japan managed to sink the west in terms of cartoon popularity and manga has overtaken the American comics industry.

I'm not baiting just genuinely curious. Japan seems to be able to produce so much shit each year.

Arcane is the advertisement attempt to extend the life of one the biggest games in the world. The other is just an ad for a manga. This is like putting images of a AAA game against a game from a small indie game.

Does the west have any other blank-check-budget animations besides Arcane?

Spiderverse and its not even close. Arcane just looks like a discount version of it despite their higher budget.

A lot of it is just following creators you like, but even then I’ve lost interests in stories that I know will have no definitive ending. I don’t follow ongoing manga anymore either. I wait for series to finish and then I read them.

The most expensive anime movie ever made apparently only costed $53 million. There is just no way for Japan to compete with the West when the latter is actually trying.

Most anime are advertisement to their source material. This is completely different from everywhere in the world where they do completely different ways to market their products. The idea of what cartoons are is completely different from other nations.

Better question is why can't west put out ungodly amount of anime like Japan can?

Because 95% of seasonal weekly anime is quantity over quality. They also don't pay the animators pennies and slave wages like japan

*with France
People itt keep saying "the west" but it's exclusively France.

There is just no way for Japan to compete with the West when the latter is actually trying.

There would be if they werent all money grubbers. Pokemon has the money to make Arcane level shows on a yearly basis instead it chooses to fund low budget slop both with its anime and its actual games

youtube.com/watch?v=UkqqDBuE814&t

This show has good CGI

This is completely different from everywhere in the world where they do completely different ways to market their products.

The west did the same until around the early 2000s. 90s and prior a lot of shows on tv like transformers or Batman tas were just glorified commercials for preexisting toylines and comics after the 2000s the order was reversed and toylines and comics were made after a show had gotten greenlit(which lead to far more cancellations when the products didnt produce the sales numbers investors were looking for

But why would they need an Arcane level yearly show? Their nonCG show is iconic. People would complain and ask for the return to anime. They did Detective Pikachu. Since they continue to make their yearly nonCG Pokemon movie, it most likely means that the anime is the way they prefer.

Now that I think about it if chinese didn't sound ugly as fuck they'd have way more success than Japan.

$250 mil budget

They couldn't hire a good writer for season 2

y she looks ugly doe

Idk ARcane is kind of garbage, doesn't even have as good of a direction as Evangelion.

But cgi is garbage? All that effort and Arcane looks soulless compared to something like Cardcaptor Sakura.

Advent Children

Stand By Me 1+2

That Harlock CGI

Those Resident EVil CGI films

Lupin III The First

I really don't get why people keep pushing the narratives of "No good Jap CGI" when those films exist

best western comics are French

I guess

best western cartoon is French

There are a bunch of good cartoon from French, Arcane isn't one of them

Arcan is the best written show ever!

watch it

it's ok with a few well written characters

Do people have lower standards for western cartoons? I guess when your best written show is atla and everything is subpar this might happen.

Chinese CGI

I'm still having nightmare from the time you filthy bugmen ruined my favourite Manhua with ugly CGI

Probably paid shills, considering that it Riot is a Tencent subsidiary

Things like this are peak comedy. They always manage to make me laugh.

fuck off frog, Arcane is the only good work of art to come out of your shithole in the last 150 years

thread about CG

talk about writing

We are talking about the looks, not the writing.

Some people were mentioning writing as well.

who cares if it's good? all power to them. not gonna play their shitty game though lmao

Trashcane is the only good work of art to come out of your shithole

What's your beef with frogs?

this board is full of pedos and rapists, why do you hang out here?

it’s one of the most peak animations ever done

Kek, zoomers get so easily impressed.

This is the meanest thing that someone ever said to French and i'm not talking about the shithole part

France literally makes nothing good these days. they know porn and cheap sex jokes and that's it. they're like animals.

anime costs like $1mil per episode

That's too high. You can already produce 4-5 episodes with that budget.

Their Summit of the Gods adaptation was good, certainly look more pleasant than Shitcane

The French have some really good looking stuff coming out in general. It's not a surprise giving a French studio near infinite budget to produce two 9 episode seasons is going to result in a good looking show. Japan has largely stuck to its guns on 2D animation, you'd need to see a real cultural shift over to 3d animation for them to put together a studio that could do it. Then you need to find someone to actually bankroll it with a gross amount of money because the usual adaption will never throw down that amount of money for an anime.

porn and cheap sex jokes

It would still be more pleasant on the eyes than Arcane

The Red Turtle is also good.

that 95% of seasonal anime is still far more of quality than whatever the west has put out in the last decade.

Tencent subsidiary

Oh, that explains. No Frenchman with functioning brain would want this ugly piece of shit as the #1 thing that represent their media anyway

Japs already have the talent and tech but they are autistically stuck in the 12 fps mindset. That's why they can't do CGI well. China already surpassed them because they are not stuck in dogmatic animation procedure. Example: youtube.com/watch?v=xYFhdtKSYqU

idk if it's a mindset, they just don't have the system in place. their animators are 2d animators and their directors are 2d directors. 3d and live action require different skills and different technology.

I hope they never switch fully to 3d. 3d only works in video games for me. 2d will always be superior for animation.

Keep posting this one videogame cutscenes as the proof of Chink CGI

I guess deep down you Chinkfaggots realize that those ugly 3DCG Chink abominations are an embarassment if you're keep using videogame cutscenes

all mid af

Funnily enough I am going through Dandadan and the final fight against turbogranny reminded me why I love anime.
To be quite frank I would kill for something like a reboot of Starship Troopers or Battletech, as things stand CGI shows have a target audience of manwomen (anything from Pixar and derivatives) and tron gaymers (DOTA, LoL, Overwatch, Fortnite, etc.), so there is no chance in hell I would get any of the shows I would love to watch, Astartes was great though and I still love many of the 40k fan animations:

youtube.com/watch?v=MN0WMa2ayS8

That is literally a Tales or Yakuza CGI tier

i hate seeing that fucking ugly tattooed goblinoid on nearly every board

the switch to 3D in the west is a damn shame and I'm glad 2D is starting to come back. I feel like it discourages creativity since it's model based. it works at best equally well for billion dollar companies like Dreamworks and Pixar and is worse in every way for anything smaller.

You aren’t going to get much cool western animation because people in the west generally believes that animation is for kids. Cool shit like Primal or Aeon Flux only comes out sporadically. When the average person sees an entire medium as “for kids” you aren’t going to see many interesting projects produced. The audience isn’t there, so the money isn’t there. Studios don’t care about moderate successes anymore. They want the thing that will pay off big. Animation isn’t that.

Maybe. But take a look at Arcsys who made Guilty Gear. They can do CGI well but why do they have to make it 12 fps during a cutscene / cinematic move? It's just jarring to see detailed characters and environments moving at such frame rate. It's like uncanny valley effect. That's one of the reasons why I don't like the Spiderman Miles Morales movies. Japs and some western animators seem to forget that 12 fps is a cost cutting measure and not a fucking feature of animation.

oh yeah that fucking Spiderverse movie looks like shit and makes me feel sick. I'm so fucking tired of hearing normies praise it.

True but this board is 2d 'pedophiles' and 'rapists'

I keep my eye on the Gobelins channel since it's one of the top animation schools in the world and they put all of their stuff on youtube. Not everything they do is good since projects are student lead, but you get a lot of variety out of them since so many people pass through it.
youtu.be/ipCVFm5jKRU?si=vX7MRvTmxrT62ylM

All the competent CGI animators work in vidya and only occasionally a big budget film.

French made a bunch of good Non-live action shit like Tin-Tin, Lucky Luke and Asterix and Obelix

The one that get shilled to the moon is possibly their ugliest product

I kinda feel sorry for the Frogs

Nah, the spiderverse films look cool. Claymation has low frame rates. Do you just not like claymation as an entire medium. I actually sometimes much prefer the lower frame rates to higher frame rate cgi shows. I watched the cgi gundam anime and all the lip flaps were awful, and that’s because unlike with drawings, in a higher framerate 3d situation an inaccurate lip clap looks wrong. Art direction is way more important than simulating reality.

The best CGI animators are in the gaming industry

I hate how souless cgi looks. From the mass produced pixar looking cgi in movies to the mass produced unreal engine models in video games. Just like everything else, cgi was cool and had some charm in the 90s.

Jinx is so cool

Even Indians do CGI better than the Japanese.

You fickle feminine emotions don't magically refute objective technical brilliance, sweatie

Sure zoomie. Here they've released a new Arcane episode just for you

youtube.com/watch?v=sJNK4VKeoBM

The emmys are sponsored by Anons?

Ignore the animation. I just want anime with the narrative quality of Arcane.

So, current day seasonal trash?

There is already plenty of it. Arcane didn't do anything new really.

Kek

Top looks like queerslop

bottom looks like ps3slop

6 million animation budget

they just make tiktok CGI animations

cool single mom

Houseki no Kuni and Beastars have good CGI

Arcane

Wrong board.

Tell me again about how Haruhi was peak grandpa

Bros. I think I actually can fix her.

Nah that ain't bussin, I only like zoomie slop like Arcane fr fr.

You may not like it, but you can't deny the quality of animation in Arcane.

you have to put a baby in her I'm afraid

Quality or not it doesn't even reach the top 5 animated works in the west alone and I hate zoomer slang like "most peak"

It's le bad because uhhhh it just is okay!!!

Nonarguments as always with you worthless niggers

it doesn't even reach the top 5 animated works in the west alone

so you admit it's impressive enough to be at most the 6th
do tell what the top 5 are though

it doesn't even reach the top 5 animated works in the west

Please list them

Toy Story
Toy Story 2
Toy Story 3
Toy Story 4
Lightyear

$250 million budget

rivals Arcane

Never saw it but I know the animation is shit.
Just look at it. It looks awful. It is the embodiment of woke aesthetics and design.

Any good bits of technical animation feats that may exist in the series are overshadowed entirely by the awful design of the entire thing.
Imagine having to work on such a project, nobody would be passionate about it, because it's deliberate corporate slop. Arcane is exactly the kind of shit that AI generated video generation will consume because it has no soul and is visual slop in its finest form and that's when it's at its best.

Arcane had no fucking right to be this good coming from a shitfest like league of assfaggots.
It's pure kino and only diehard delusional weebs will say otherwise.

Any of the golden age Disney Movies and HB T&J shorts.

The animation is excellent from these webms at least, the style and color pallette is really bad though.

Ever watched the Gantz film? It's 100% CGI and looks amazing.

can't actually list any so just says Disney

I accept your concession

Here Bambi, The Lion King, Peter Pan, Fantasia, Alice in the wonderland.

you think those are top 5 of all time?
ALL TIME of western animation?
thanks for confirming you're completely out of your depth

you think those are top 5 of all time?

ALL TIME of western animation?

Nope, I am not even the original anon you were talking to but they are better animated than Arcane

oh uh haha actually i'm a completely different person, so it doesn't matter if i move the goalposts

Kill yourself any day now buddy. I know you've been mulling the idea around

The $250 million dollar price tag for 1 Season of Arcane could probably fund an absurd number seasons of anime.

Also, CGI is kind of garbage for animation and Americans only like it so much because they're obsessed with realism. It's only somewhat caught on in Japan as a cost cutting measure, making backgrounds and environments in CG and shit. MAPPA uses it a ton which is why all their action scenes look like retarded iceskating bullshit.

everyone must be the same person

Also nice projection but I am living a pretty good life. Also funny that you can't attack the argument itself lol.

/thread

samefagging on Anon Babble

I am living a pretty good life

Okay

I hope that cope helps with you sleep. Still those movie destroy arcane in terms of animation.

This is the most expensive tv show ever done and France is the next best thing when it comes to art, after japan. Also Arcane is an anomaly, unlike the anime industry that churns out garbage 9 times out of 10.

Most of everything is bad but there are way more worthwhile anime series than western animated ones.

Something about the Italians and the French, they just have soul when it comes to animation.

This thread is filled with the most ridiculous Ken samas I've ever seen. Finding the most absurd excuses to shit on Arcane, even posting the fucking Gantz CGI movie and saying it's better. Or comparing fucking golden age hand drawn Disney movies with a 3D animation. All while consuming mass produced Isekai slop that looks like shit.
Arcane is fucking great and honestly I like seeing animation as a medium advance and produce good shit. Be it western or eastern.

kino

kys

You first faggot.

That's true. I dream of a world where the west is putting out quality animation worth paying attention to every year. But unfortunately one million late night Simpsons clones and tweened garbage seems like the best they've got. Primal and Arcane have been the only things in recent years that grabbed me.

I don't consume isekai and I think arcane it's over praised because people have insanely low standards for western animated series, the only series the west has to praise is stuff like atla, sj or btas. Arcane doesn't even touch the best of anime. And no, I don't want the medium to advance to the point where it's all just shiny lights and post processing effects. That's not an evolution.

agreed
hopefully this level of animation will get cheaper with the years and we get anime CGI at that quality after somer time

Square made The Spirits Within in 2001 and that shit was a decade ahead of everything the west was doing with CGI at the time (e.g. The Mummy Returns and Shrek).
youtube.com/watch?v=D_fW15nByDk

Classic disney animation shits all over their shitty 3D rigging.

Hopefully not since it looks worse than 2D animation.

You do realize Arcane is hand drawn, right?

It's literally not. It does use some hand drawn elements for some scenes but the models and everything are CGI.

behance.net/gallery/132461597/ARCANE-Character-Trailers

true but we barely get 2D animation nowadays, CGI is here to stay
that being the case isn't much better have a arcane animation instead of shit like beastars?

Give Puss In Boots 2 a whirl. It's done in a similar style to Spiderverse and Arcane and look marvelous and it's a pretty damn good movie as well.

PS: As long as you're familiar with the character and the Shrek franchise in some capacity, you need not have seen the first one, which is regular CGI shovelware in comparison.

It's literally not.

because people have insanely low standards for western animated series

You say this when fucking Your Name exists and broke every sales record in Japan. And it's literally all shiny instagram filters slapped on the most dogshit nonsensical plot I've ever witnessed.

it's all just shiny lights and post processing effects

Except that's not Arcane outside of a few action scenes.

That's not an evolution

I find the blend of 2D and 3D in stuff like Spiderverse or Arcane far more interesting than the uncanny valley realistic CGI or Pixer knockoffs. And would fit anime pretty well compared to their current attempts at 3D.
This is like discussing a random movie with your friends and saying it's shit because Citizen Kane exists. Imagine if every single anime discussion on this board would be retards comparing the animations with Ghibli.
And if you really want to shit on Arcane using random animated movies at least use something more original than fucking Disney.

arcane is expensive as hell

You say this when fucking Your Name exists and broke every sales record in Japan. And it's literally all shiny instagram filters slapped on the most dogshit nonsensical plot I've ever witnessed.

I am saying that regarding Anon Babble.

Except that's not Arcane outside of a few action scenes.

Yet, people mostly praise those scenes. Even outside of those, it can't compare with the best of 2D and I dislike the color palette.

I find the blend of 2D and 3D in stuff like Spiderverse or Arcane far more interesting than the uncanny valley realistic CGI or Pixer knockoffs

Maybe but it's still not at all to my linking.

And would fit anime pretty well compared to their current attempts at 3D.

I hope it never becomes common. I hate how the characters look.