Hunter X Hunter

Desperately need to see 20 years old killua

Specialists learn level 10 enhancement but they have 40% enhancement. Mastery and efficency are different things.

Will be canon

did gon rip off kite's tail or something? or is that a different character?

It's Noko with long hair

Noko doesn't look like that

since when did noko have freckles?

Literally no one cares about muh canon

Stop posting sexual contents

post sex

She also got freckles when her hair grew.

Would be hot but shota killua is already delicious

How come nobody noticed Morena wasn't Morena? Did she have the scars in the same place already? Were she used so people pretended they were raping their own boss?

Balsamico Might

what are the implicit consequences of martial law being declared? will this stop chrollo in his tracks and subsequently, the rest of the spiders from roaming about? (save for franklin, hes still in his seat doing his best american impression of eating burgers)

Kite will rip off tail to become more attractive to Gon and because Gon will say that the tail looks ugly and reminds of the terrible events with the chimera ants

Hope sale-sale death nen will rape Rihan

Gon will marry a girl that looks like his aunt
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i honestly hope if we ever see kite again, he (she) will be about the same age as he (she) was before getting ganked by that faggot cat pitou. i suspect kite will be hot but i am biased since i like fair skinned girls with freckles

Thats because there are rarely 1 in 10million geniuses that can learn nen so quickly. Your average normie specialist would still have to learn Nen at the same rate as a normal person only it would take them 6 times as long to learn it in all areas.

Very few of them have teachers like Biscuit that can train them for 1 years worth in the period of less than a month.

If it follows normal world martial law then the military and the prince in charge of the military don't have to ask permission to do certain things. Let's say before he needed the approval of a judge to enter a prince room to search for an assassin, now he might enter saying it is needed and anyone who doesn't comply will be shot and because it's MARTIAL LAW there is nothing you can but obey or be labeled a traitor and hunted down.

Very few of them have teachers like Biscuit that can train them for 1 years worth in the period of less than a month.

That's also assuming they were genius to begin with since someone like Zushi wouldn't be able to learn it so quickly like gon and killua could.

Very few of them have teachers like Biscuit that can train them for 1 years worth in the period of less than a month.

Gon will marry his boyfriend.

im just gonna fucking say it bros
i wanna marry theta!

Togashi said he prepared 4 endings, one is a bad ending which he wanted to do, one is mixed and one is a good ending, the last one being the ending he told us.
Anyone has any theories on how the bad ending that togashi wanted would have been?

tricks his son into thinking he's a good father by actually being a good father si he will trust him and eventually return to the family

Genius move desu

Specialists have to specialize in one ability to make it work, hence the term specialist. All other nen types can make more than one ability. That's why Morena said the weakness of specialists is not knowing what to make at first.

but Kurapika

He is conjurer which is why he can have multiple abilities. He used his one specialist ability on Emperor Time.

but Pitou

She never made a specialist ability, her abilities are all manipulation and conjuration.

Pakunoda had two specialist abilities, speedy.

She only had one actually. Where are you getting two from?

he probably got it from the manga

Everything you said is headcanon, but it does make me realize something. Why are they even called specialists in the first place? Ironically, they can do everything, so shouldn't they actually be called generalists?

Stealth Dolphin and Emperor Time are both specialist so your idea is wrong.

Stop speedreading.

Because they are SPECIAList

Emperor Time allows Kurapika to use all affinities which would allow him to effectively use stolen abilities. Stealing abilities isn't specialisr exclusive as we see with Ikalgo

Her specialist ability is to see the past memories of objects. What's the second one? And you better not be retarded and say that seeing a regular person's memories is specialist when it's manipulation, because that would make you look like a giant fucking moron.
The wiki isn't an official source, it's fan made.

Kurapika

Genderless

Pitou

Nonbinary

Togashi cares

leftie pls go

The question was why arn't there many specialists proficient in all areas.
The fact that it takes a high level specialist to even unlock nen in others(or nen beast ritual) makes it a rarity in a rarity. If you have no method like Morena did to idenitify who is a specialist you would have to filter through thousands of trash normies. And you yourself would be no stronger. Morena seems like she is weak as shit cause of their ability.

All the people you unlock with your ability have the potential to simply kill you.

If you were a genius level specialist you'd be better off developing your own skills like Chrollo.

Pathetic

Ikalgo doesn't steal abilities. He manipulates a dead nen user into using their abilities. It's different.

Kurapika

Genderless

not if i creampie that faggot enough until he loves me

(You)

Faggot

What is the second one? I would really like to know.

Holy fuck, her two abilities are reading minds and shooting memories into people, you complete and utter moron. Just off yourself already.

cute butt

They are both manipulation of memories. Her ability is manipulation of memories

no shit. ants have a qaudnary, four genders. you're either a worker, a soldier, a male, or a queen. pitou is a soldier ant.

Read the fucking manga

What is Kite, then?

[CITATION NEEDED]

The wiki isn't official. I don't care what category its moderators think hatsu fall under.

tricks his son into thinking he's a bad father by actually being a bad father so he will stop chasing him and let him live without responsibility

besides hot?

All ants are women except for the ones the queen chooses to make male to breed her

I have, which is why I know she has one specialist ability.

Your opinion isn't official either. I don't care what category you think her hatsu falls under.

Gon is a jobber

Razor's nen beasts are emitted since he is an emitter.

Proof?

Knuckle is not an enhancer? wtf

My opinion is based on evidence collected from the official source, not from the wiki. That's why my opinion is correct and yours is wrong.

Pitou is a girl

Gon manipulates his fist into punching harder

Why would Togashi make specialists nen gods? This is such bad writing.

All ants are male/female and have the potential to reproduce "normally" by mating with other species. Doing so births a queen, which uses phagogenesis to create a line genetic line.

Order stamp is one of my favorite abilities. I hope Chrollo uses it again. He should probably be using it more to find Hisoka

she's still trying

missed opportunity, kite doesnt even fly and bean isnt even a bean (frijole)

Your opinion is based on nothing but your headcanon. At least the wiki cites its sources, all you do is scream "I'M RIGHT BECAUSE I SAY SO!!!" lmao. Retard.

It genuinely is. Specialists are now the Uchihas of Hunter x Hunter.

You cited the non-canon wiki, not me. My opinion is based on the manga. You should try reading it, it’s very good.

no remarkable combatant skills, and doesn't have a huge gaster, so must be a worker ant

Komugi uses manipulation on her brain to be good at gungi

Who's trying what?

why didnt she just do that to her eyes so she wouldnt be a useless invalid?

Komugi is a NIGGER

Kurta is Uchiha. Specialists are Kekkai Genkai.

What does that even mean in practical terms? They can learn high level abilities like healing a broken arm, but what does 40% efficiency mean? It heals slower? They need conditions to make it work? They require more aura than a natural Enhancer? Any of the above?

Have a (You) so you won't have to samefag

still no evidence

Yikes

it means all their enhancement spells cost 40% more nen to cast

There are some butthurt losers from the previous thread who couldn't come up with any way to justify Togashi making specialists nen gods so they pivoted to pretending anyone who points out Togashi's shit writing is gay or something. It's really desperate.

narutards

Yikes

Why would I post any to a retard who genuinely believes the wiki is canon? I’m not a teacher, I have no obligation to educate the ignorant and waste my time collecting screenshots as evidence.

The pedo gay spammer is also the guy who shits on the threads with muh bad writing and Togashit btw

What would have happened if Morena had captured Otocin instead of Bork?

They can learn high level abilities like healing a broken arm, but what does 40% efficiency mean?

Enhancer put 100 aura to heal 100 hp. Specialist put 100 aura to heal 40 hp.

Otocin would have gotten gang banged by every single guy in the Heil-ly.

pitou is a girl because she's mad thick

Why did he do it? Was it autism?

Fakerena is a boy because he is flat. But he is heterosexual.

He would've joined on the condition that he get to ride Dogman's giant cock.

I am not surprised in the least.

specialists are op!

the most powerful nen users in the series that could solo the most other nen users are: emitter, enhancer, enhancer

character named SILVA

2011 team made him blond

what the fuck were they thinking

I'm tired of seeing otocin and wing memes

He would've volunteered to be the group's onahole.

Behold Extreme Specialist.

Nanika is OP because of her nen quantity, not the type. Same thing as Meruem.

Specialists can do everything enhancers and emitters can do, and more. They are the best category by far.

Why did Togashi ruin nen?

They're not super powerful, they just ignore the pentagon. Their abilities still have the same powerlevel as everyone else.

He would've annoyed them until he asked Morena if she'd kiss him, then it'd be all over.

Otocin poster is probably also the spamming faggot desu

alluka can't normally do jack shit.

oh the best category huh? is that category too overpowered?
looks look at the empirical evidence and see if that's the case:

meruem, gon, netero

oof, guess the specialist category isn't remotely OP.

If Meruem, Gon-san, and Netero have nen quantity of Pokkle, their nen abilities are quite useless. I don't think cared that when it was posted.

fat butt

correct i definitely don't care about that, and nen quantity probably is somewhat related to category to begin with.

This chapter was a treat for nen system enthusiasts

O genderfluid specialist genie, erase Meruem, Netero, and Gon-san from existence

Ai

but they all seem angry about it

cammy is smart because she is cammy

It's obviously one faggot desperately trying to push his "nen gods" thing

Bad logic. Meruem, Netero, and Gon's strength didn't come from their category. It came from their talent and training. Their existence doesn't change the fact that specialization is clearly, objectively superior to all the other nen categories by a large margin.

that's what they like, they make something out of nothing and start throwing shit at each other like the monkeys they are, one of them is a literal pedophile faggot so make of that what you want

Twink

*sigh*

let's all admit that camilla is the best looking woman in hxh. and morena actually looks kinda mid from some angles.

Specialists have no limitations. They literally are gods.

Flat chest

that's not bad logic. the point is that categories clearly don't mean much relative to talent and training. who cares if specialists *can* do *more* in general if the most talented kid in the world was born an enhancer who will just oneshot the specialist?

R-Ruining nen isn't a big deal guys, c'mon!!

lmao

Can the mods ban this faggot already? He's not even a good shitposter, just repeating himself like a broken record

I'm a shotachad please don't lump us with that retard

SEXO

categories don't mean much because of three outliers

Once again, bad logic. Not just anyone is a 1 in 10 trillion talent like Netero, Meruem, and Gon.

I’m surprised he was a gay poster

infertile females that lack sex organs are only female in the sense that they could have hatched as a queen but didn't
it's like calling a raft a canoe because you made both from the same kind of tree

the mods share the same discord server as the faggot

Gon is not even that talented. Both Tserriednich and Ging are superior to him.

it's good logic and good framing. it puts into perspective how meaningless it is to be part of a supposedly overpowered category. there's plenty of top tier nen users of different categories who would dab on most of the revealed specialists.

Can they ban you two instead for being homophobic losers?

If I post Noko will you have another melty?

Zushi can destroy most of benjamin's soldiers

I don’t think the guy is a shit poster. I just think it’s natural backlash to what he perceives as a fanbase eating up anything an author does. Hunter is flawed and it’s worth having arguments around those flaws for the fanbase to not be a circlejerk or a shithole.

because categories don't matter to 0.0001% of nen users, therefore categories don't matter to anyone

That's not good logic.

Okay, now I had enough fun for trolling, I'll explain you guys strength and weakness of Specialist.
Specialist can 'learn' whatever nen abilities from other categories. For example, they can use clone(conjuration), healing(enhancement), and teleportation(emission). But their 'efficiency' is still restricted as other nen categories. So their healing will heal only 40% of what enhancers can heal. Specialist are gods when it comes to making complex and powerful ability, but they are not efficient for raw, destructive power. That is enhancer's specialty. So it is true that specialists are better than most nen users who heavily rely on special power, especially conjurers and manipulators. But they cannot beat enhancers or other adjacent categories with sheer raw strength.
Of course, raw strength is a shit in HxH unless you're 10 times stronger than your opponent...

chrollo cheated

because categories don't matter to most characters we're invested in (strong, capable, important characters), categories don't matter that much

that's great logic actually.

no he is literally a retarded faggot with no real life connections

There's a difference between discussion and being a blatant, spamming shitposter

that's not natural at all. the natural thing is to never interact with communities that you think are shit

Specialists are not OP. Emperor Time grants full proficiency in every category, that doesn't mean every Specialist has full proficiency in every category. The actual number Specialists have is likely around 80%, and it might even be different for every Specialist. Meleoron is obviously not some top tier fighter, if you really think he has 100% Enhancement proficiency then he should be stronger than he was.

Your logic should prove that Meruem-tier enhancer can beat Meruem-tier specialist.

No, that's dumb.

I'm not

Emperor Time grants full proficiency in every category, that doesn't mean every Specialist has full proficiency in every category.

Emperor Time grants full 'efficiency'. It's different from proficiency.

Meleoron is obviously not some top tier fighter, if you really think he has 100% Enhancement proficiency then he should be stronger than he was.

We don't know Meleoron's nen category. Also having level 10 proficiency in enhancement doesn't make his aura stronger.

that could happen.

the more i think about it the more right i am. what does it matter if a category is op relative to countless faceless characters? what's actually relevant to the story is how op they are compared to the characters we care about. killua and gon will just oneshot them some day, and everyone else seems to hold their own as well.

I think it depends, like there are zero rules, some specialists may be a lot weaker than your common nen user while others may just have irregular high stats all over the places. It does make sense though that since specialist is not really a class, but rather just a way to classify everything that doesn't fit neatly on the other categories, that specialists may have to learn how to deal with several different categories to actually be good at their ability, Morena may end being an actual good fighter the Ryodan would have issues with.

Except it doesn't, because specialization isactually enhancement + transmutation + emission + manipulation + conjuration. enhancement + transmutation + emission + manipulation + conjuration > enhancement

273428565

speaking about yourself in the third person

Cammy tier.

I don't think it necessarily is all of them, but definitely a combo at least

Just ignore bad writing because who cares lmao

omg meruem just whipped out a crazy book that can spawn nukes what's gonna happ- *gets one shot by an enhancer's ko punch*

Just a reminder that the Ryodan NEVER killed a single innocent person.

They will beat Morena by reminding her of her friends

that could happen.

You need to prove it though. What's Enhancer's advantage against Specialist's complex hybrid ability in the world of HxH, where Strong Nen cannot resist opponent's ability?

blocks ko punch because specialists can be master enhancers

How are you gonna destroy humanity when you hired this retard?

Sorry, Specialist Meruem read that future and evaded 10 seconds ago.

How do we even know anything Morena says is correct?

just keep putting microplastics in the air and water and let the resulting infertility lead to extinction

I agree. I still believe Nasubi did nothing wrong.

haha:
btw your framing is bad and isn't relevant to any of my points. it doesn't matter what happens between an enhancer meruem and specialist meruem. what's actually relevant to the story is what happens between an enhancer adult gon and a specialist komugi.

can be

but isn't always.

Because the card game is a nen ability/condition of Contagion. She has to tell the truth or it doesn't work.

What's Enhancer's advantage against Specialist's complex hybrid ability in the world of HxH, where Strong Nen cannot resist opponent's ability?

Which specialist ability is that though? Nanika? Though in this case there is also a gigantic amount of aura. Is there a single specialist in the series that couldn't be defeated with enough violence?

and a specialist komugi.

whoops forgot she's an enhancer.
enhancer adult gon and a specialist pakunoda*

Merely having the option to master whatever they want makes them superior to all the rest.

what's actually relevant to the story is what happens between an enhancer adult gon and a specialist komugi.

What's we actually have in this story is that Kurapika, Tserri, Chrollo, Morena, and even Borksen are all specialist.

Not really? Nowhere it says they will be as good as an enhancer at enhacing, just that mastering it could help with their main ability, but again it's what Morena was warning about, if you master the wrong thing you lost a lot of time

oh it does huh? damn that sounds very overpowered until gon's enhanced fist punches through pakunoda's skull. guess overpowered categories don't actually matter.

thanks for listing characters who are almost all going to die at the hands of non-specialists.

Only works in conjunction with a calamity from the Dark Continent. Alluka alone would definitely be far less impressive.

What would Dogman smell Kurapika as?

They have no limitations, speedy.

Is there a single specialist in the series that couldn't be defeated with enough violence?

When we assume they have equal amount of training, talent, and aura, most specialists are superior. Neon, Chrollo, Kurapika, Tserridnich, they all have OP abilities. See Morena. She is looking for a Specialist user because it can overturn the balance of this ship.

When we assume they have equal amount of training, talent, and aura

when we assume shit we should absolutely not assume

You're stupid. We're talking about categories here, not characters.

Anon, Chrollo is literally searching for a ability to murder Hisoka because he is unsure he can win again against a guy with the most basic ability ever made

no i'm pretty sure i've been talking about more than categories so as to contextualize what OP categories or even OP abilities matter in the hxh verse. the answer is, not that much.

Tserridnich saw that future and evaded. What now?

a random non nen user snipes tserri in the head when he's not seeing into the future, which 99.9999% of the time he's not.

This however implies there are other types of limitations

Have you ever heard about 'Controlling for a variable'?

I'll take Togashi's internal data about specialists over a biased character who's wanking her own category.
Specialists are in a good position, but they are not ominpotent.

No it doesn't.

Anon it's literally what Togashi is saying

And he can advance his ability to beat Hisoka. That's Chrollo's strength as a specialist. What can Hisoka do if Chrollo comes to him with evolved ability?

And who wrote what Morena said?

Neon, which is another specialist, wrote future poem for him so he was ready for it.

a random non nen user accidentally bumps into neon and she falls down the stairs and dies before she can write the poem

Learn what a retcon is, retards.

A mangaka who regularly writes characters speculating things that are inaccurate or half true.

What if she saw that from his bodyguard's poem and hid somewhere safe before that happen? Future sight is narratively broken and that's specialist's specialty.

future sight is clearly not "broken" as evidenced by future sight users getting their shit rocked.

This chapter was written before that chart even came out.

Yes, Togashi wrote that. So fuck off. Your shit got retconned.

Force him into zetsu and he's stuck in the future forever and can't act.

...by another specialist.
Also the reason Neon lost her ability is because she was careless.

because she was careless.

guess she's not so special.

...by another specialist.

could have been by anyone including non nen users.

Judging that Morena says that they can regret over training in certain categories, it would seem like they're still stuck with the percentage distribution, it's just that they can move it around for the sake of developing techniques. So they still are trading out having a 100% affinity in a category that gives additional skills beyond the developed technique, for the sake of not limiting themselves in what their techniques can do. Plus the general limitations of aura and memory.

She can protect herself from Chrollo if she wrote poems for her bodyguards and father and realizes how dangerous Yorknew is. Her ability is OP, but she didn't use her ability to protect herself. What happens if Chimera ants had Neon's ability? They would learn that Netero will come with atomic bomb. This is a broken ability which is why Togashi took it from Chrollo.

you keep bringing up hypotheticals where specialists can avoid being killed under ideal circumstances. but reality is messy. this is why categories don't actually matter that much and why adult gon would oneshot all the chimera ants.

Post enhancechads

No, dumbass. She made it clear specialists don't have any proficiency limitations. She's talking about people regretting spending time and effort mastering a category that they didn't really like because somehow they didn't realize they were specialists and thought they were something else.

the chapter came out before the chart

the chart was retconned

Incoherent retards

but reality is messy

Specialist fortune teller saw that messy reality and evaded it.

she didn't and that's why she died. it's also why tserri is going to die.

she didn't

Shouldn't you say 'she can't'? Oh right, she absolutely can.

You keep bringing up Adult Gon one-shotting blah blah blah whatever even though that has nothing to do with anything. Get this through your thick skull: specialization being the best category is not the same thing as claiming all specialists are stronger than every other nen user of every other category.

What's Milluki's condition for entering a specialist state?

i can also devise hypotheticals where nen users of other categories can avoid death.

that was established many posts ago you illiterate retard. nobody is arguing that. the point is who gives a fuck if a category is better all else equal when all else ISN'T equal.

RYU. IS NOT. ENHANCEMENT.

Either way, the end result is the same; your chart doesn't matter. What matters is what actually happens in the story. Retard.

that was established many posts ago you illiterate retard.

Then stop making the same dumbass argument over and over again, you fucking moron.

i'm going to keep making the same good argument that recontextualizes a retarded point that some retard keeps making.

oh that makes a lot of sense when you take Togashi's memo into consideration. Good job, anon.

i can also devise hypotheticals where nen users of other categories can avoid death.

Nothing is better than future sight, or any bullshit abilities that can only be made by Specialists. That is why Tserridnich is specialist, and why Morena is looking for a specialist. They need to be specialist with bullshit ability to beat nen users who are more experienced them themselves.

Reaching thirty years of age while remaining a virgin. He's well on his way.

EVERYONE IS AS STRONG AS ADULT GON!!!

Wow, what a great argument.

e-either way

Cope, you have no arguments you sad faggot

THIS CATEGORY THAT GETS BTFO'D BY USERS OF ALL OTHER CATEGORIES IS OP

wow, what a great argument.

tserri is going to get bodied by a sniper rifle.

Why are you retards taking a random chart as gospel instead of paying attention to what's actually happening in the fucking manga?

How about all those people Chrollo killed in the Heavens Arena
The first thing he did in the fight was kill the judge

The category is clearly OP. If you don't get that at this point, you're retarded.

i just got here what are these faggots arguing about

stronger? yes.
OP? not even close.

Having no limitations is OP.

Togashi is not rugging the established Nen chart. Mastery is expressed in level, while Effectiveness is expressed in percentage. Mastery determines if you can wield a complicated ability, but Effectiveness determines how powerful that ability is. Complicated doesn't mean better. It simply means the ability is more specialised. Togashi has written poorly on this subject, and he seemed to have bounced between ideas on what each category could do; but Kurapika's training flashbacks very clearly indicated that Mastery and Effectiveness are correlated, but separate matters.

So Specialists are still weak as shit, as they only have 40% effectiveness in Enhancement, despite being able to master its techniques. Enhancement abilities are mostly straightforward in the first place; Ko and Ken are basics that every Nen user seem to use. Morena merely chose the exact wording to convince Bork to develop a boutique Hatsu that she needs.

yea no limitations is pretty overpower- *specialist gets shot in the head by some random sniper*

ko and ken are not enhancement abilities. they are applications of the basic techniques.

Doesn't change anything.

but Kurapika's training flashbacks very clearly indicated that Mastery and Effectiveness are correlated, but separate matters.

A lot of people don't remember this shit because only one page mentioned it in this entire series, and even that wasn't a very good explanation. We still don't know what those levels mean exactly.

Yes, but it's not his ability.

Enhancement is not exactly doing ko and ken thou.
An enhanced could enhance his physical body to punch better plus the ko and ken application.
But he can also do other things like dogman enhancing his nose.
You could theoretically be an enhancer with 0 physical enhancement or combat application.

ko and ken are not enhancement abilities

Wait you mean Big Bang Impact isn't an enhancement ability?

machi says it was just a right punch with a little added nen

Why are you coping and seething?

I am not sure anyone really died though since there were clone shenanigans all around and not sure how innocent they are considering those fights are fucked a lot of times

Post niggas

One thing about the "effectiveness" is that it could well be a poor translation. I know there is another translation of the page that says "force and accuracy" instead. It could be even messier than people think.

Are you the same faggot that anons shat on a few threads ago? Don't start it again, it's not the point.

So Gon's Rock isn't an enhancement ability?

As other anon said.see Knuckle for example
He is a conjurer and beat the crap out of Gon and completely outmached him in hand to hand combat.
Gon enhancement + nen applications couldn't match Knuckle enhancement + nen applications even if Knlucke was a conjurer.

In other words experience and levels are as important or more important than class (nen type)

am i the same anon who btfo'd them and when they didn't have any arguments they resorted to brownoid-tier attacks? yea

go back and read heavens arena and greed island before you start talking, please

Chrollobros what's our cope for this?

Biscuit had spoken of levels before. It's basically how difficult it is to learn/perfect a technique.

Chrollo focused on mastering conjuration instead of enhancement.

it is. but gon's rock isn't just ko. it applies the aura manipulation of ko, but normal ko does not result in rock. rock is fundamentally hatsu

Nothing we have to accept it... Hisoka was always superior

We are coping, bruh

He used black voice on some other people and deliberately dragged the fight towards the audience

Togashi retconed it

We need more trans

this is probably a nen-less arm wrestling contest, which in that case, i guess 7 makes sense? machi being ahead is a bit weird but the others make sense

but normal ko does not result in rock

It does if you're a strong enough enhancer. You seem to think there is a clear line between basic/advanced nen techniques and hatsu, but there isn't. It's possible for something to be considered both. Enhancers like Gon and Uvo can master Ko to the extent that it can be considered a hatsu.

hatsu is a basic nen technique where you apply your category into your nen. rock only exists because gon is using his enhancer nen. notice how nobody who uses ko, like bisky, suddenly has their fist glowing with massive power? they just moved all their aura into their fist or wherever else. it's gon's hatsu you retard. just because it's a simple punch with aura doesn't mean it's not hatsu

Because these chapters were written back in 2018, while the memo is fairly recent, there is no good reason to assume a "retcon" straight away.

I'm posting the full pic for anyone interested. Anon's argument is basically that specialists are peculiar, and they might need to train completely unrelated Nen categories, or their progress might stagnate.

Explanation for retards.

There are two problems faced when focusing on other types: The limit of advanced techniques that can be learned to begin with, and an energy efficiency penalty when using those techniques.

A lesser Emitter would never learn how to give his aura the properties of rubber and gum no matter how long he trained.

A sufficiently talented Emitter could theoretically learn Bungee Gum, but it would take him longer than Hisoka did, and actually using it at the same level as Hisoka would require twice as much aura and concentration.

A Specialist, on the other hand, would be able to learn Bungee Gum much faster as if he was a Transmuter. However, using it would still be subject to a similar energy efficiency penalty because a Specialist's aura is fundamentally not a Transmuter's aura.

Emperor Time overcomes this natural limitation.

Is it true that nen is real IRL?

wrong. specialists are the same, they'd struggle to learn it as well

Am I only one who think Gyro is inspired from central and south america

What does that even mean in practical terms?

It means a Specialist speccing into Enhancement would be able to learn complicated techniques like accelerated growth, but they'd still struggle producing an unga bunga punch on the level of Uvo.

manga > chart

I agree, of course. Though it should be mentioned that Knuckle is twice the size of Gon, who is literally a kid, and has studied Nen for much longer.

Enhancers are capable of enhancing every part of the body. Uvo spits with the force of a hunting rifle and bites like a river hippo. There are levels of mastery to Enhancement as well, but higher difficulty doesn't necessarily translates to more powerful. So back to the point, Specialists would be pitiful even if they master Enhancement techniques.

Clownsisters what's our cope for this?

How about you stop speedreading?

it doesn't matter what you prioritize because there is no contradiction

The chart is what we call semi-canon, because it's nothing but a vague plan in author's notebook which was never revealed in series. When the chart directly contradicts with manga, it means the chart is wrong.

Efficiency is not efficacy.

yea, he's saying they don't need fancy shit like chains with 5 abilities. they can just punch hard and move fast, amplifying themselves using their enhancer nen. tell me, do you understand what hatsu is? genuinely? or do you think it only means "making a wacky crazy ability"

Learn English.

no special technique bro

don't create anything bro

just practice the basis bro

I prefer to trust Netero, Ging and Biscuit rather than Wing.
Practicing the basis for the rest of your life is good advice.
But it seems that you improve as a nen user when you invent something.
Netero and Biscuit created flashy techniques.
Ging basically travel all around the world and participated in projects like the creation of Greed Island, that helped him understand and learn about other nen types.
Wing was just telling Gon that he was too green and he needed to learn the basics first.

when the chart directly contradicts with manga

No it doesn't. You don't understand the argument.

wow, another brownoid writing unfunny garbage cuz he got btfo'd in an argument! i sure didn't see this coming

In addition to this, basic things like shaping nen fall under transmutation because they train it, and Uvo is clear that imbuing items with aura is much more efficient with manipulation or conjuration (assuming the object has been conjured). The nen types have their own basic benefits that aren't specific to a full hatsu, and specialists can't take advantage of any of them in full.

That's what we thought, and what logically follows, but apparently Morena said the opposite. Of course, Morena has a power to develop Nen in her followers, so she might be lying to Bork to get her to learn a boutique Hatsu that she needs.

once again, i ask why he isn't ultimate specialist

Read chapter 408 if you haven't read it yet.

Well for starters Meleoron wasn't included on the chart to begin with. It's a select list of characters given as examples, not a comprehensive list.

specialists can't take advantage of any of them in full

Nice headcanon.

He died while invisible and postmortem nen made everybody forget his existence including the author.

i've been meaning to ask, were the scans posted here official translations? it seems like people are getting really stuck up on the wording

It's not a joke. I'm serious. It's impossible to discuss anything with you when you can't understand a goddamn thing, ESL-kun.

i know, but i feel like it'd be a better example than alluka, since alluka is a freak of nature outlier from the dark continent

Is HxH the only shonen where explosions are actually dangerous to most characters?

Specialists can learn all abilities but it doesn't mean they can use it at full efficiency. Of course low efficiency can be overcome by having more aura or adding more restrictions. So unlike other categories, specialists have chance to create very complex hybrid ability, even if it is inefficient and require nasty restrictions to function. That is probably what Morena wants for Borksen.

considering you have yet to answer and prove you actually understand what hatsu is, instead resorting to your pajeet-tier attacks, i'm gonna go ahead and just call it here. you tried, at least

I accept your concession.

i'm going to miss MARTIAL LAW posting when this arc is over.

when this arc is over.

Never happen.

1000 posts later

the same onepiece faggots are still arguing about specialists

i just want to discuss the implications of martial law

They aren't the official translations, but also the official translations aren't consistently better.

nobody gives a fuck about martial law
garbage forced meme

Gon, as an enhancer, beat the shit out of a royal guard who was a specialist.

The official translations are made by the same person who's been doing it for the past 20+ years. They are vastly better.

Say that to officer Kakin.

uvogin could probably kill anybody not named kurapika or the top 3 nen users, and all he did was use enhancement nen to be strong

That's what we call main character privilege.

qrd

Alluka, as a specialist, healed Gon back to normal after he costed everything to beat 1 years old specialist.

Will you ever stop speedreading?

...? there's no way this retard just posted a page completely agreeing with me, right

beyond is manipulator or specialist
ging is a emiter or conjurer
parison is a transmuter.

Morena is right, and this thread proves it

The page says Uvo jobs to conjurers and manipulators, you illiterate moron.

How far can you control a conjured/emited nen beast?
Or a person you are manipulating?
In miles/kilometers

No, they're all specialists. All major characters are specialists. All the other fodder categories are for minor characters like Jobunaga.

character is literally named Sir Isaac

is Isaac Netero’s grandson

Bravo Togashi

character is literally named Sir Isaac

Since when?

But honestly though, I can't believe Togashi ruined nen. Why did he have to make specialists so OP?

Shouldn't you go back?

Wish an enhancer would blow my head off with a nen punch

the only reason a conjurer (kurapika) is able to beat him is because he created an ability that he can only use on the troupe. he will fucking die if he violates this restriction. that is literally the only reason it's strong enough to contain uvogin. there is absolutely 0 chance for a regular conjurer or manipulator to be able to actually keep up with him and beat him (i.e., the shadow beasts). sorry, faggot, try again

Would you guys like to see Hisoka rape kuroroll

The girl that could manipulate people through a kiss.
Assuming that Uvogin is not an homosexual it would be easy for her to get a kiss and order him to kill himself.

ohhh shit u right. i'd do that for a kiss as well

The panel you posted literally says teleportation is a characteristic of Emission

Baize is so overpowered. She’s hot as fuck. Unless most nen users are gay asexuals, they will fuck her if she comes onto them (assuming in natural, unquestionable ways that make them go “why is this whore after Me”).
I had to assume that her power was stronger if the kiss was unconsensual.

The manga literally says you're wrong, dumbass. Stop arguing against canon. Uvo isn't as strong as you think he is.

Uvo was GENIUS level and would beat hisoka btw.

we also saw the canon of him beating the shadow beasts, so lol

A reminder martial law has been set up to backfire on Benjamin.

This is absolutely hilarious with guys like Netero running around.

I'm quite skeptical of this theory that specialists can reach any mastery level in any Nen category while their efficiency in each category stays as per usual. From the way it was phrased in the manga, it seems like they have no limits whatsoever.
If we take another look at the chart, Togashi's argument is that specialists are very peculiar and have "complications that cannot be decided with a catch-all rule". The key for specialists to become stronger seems to be training in a very unorthodox way, which is not covered by standard Nen theory. The chart seems to neatly complement what Morena was explaining about "wasting time." If we look at the story, specialists are the ones most likely to learn Nen abilities subconsciously (Alluka, Neon, etc.). Heck, Alluka seems to have been an ultimate level specialist from the day she was born. So yeah, specialists are very peculiar.

Besides the fact that the Shadow Beasts don't represent all nen users in the world, Uvo almost died fighting them.

Most specialists are literally hax glass cannons. PITOU is the exception. Chrollo would’ve got killed by Hisoka with 2 -3 hard punches.

Can we stop pretending that the shadow beasts aren't jobbers who are representative of anything? Even Chrollo admitted a good manipulator/conjurer would take Uvo out.

If Specialists can use all other Nen affinities at 100% efficiency, why doesn’t Chrollo just make his own Hatsus instead of having to steal them? Like, if Chrollo can’t use Shalnark’s Black Voice anymore, can’t he just make his own Black Voice?

Uvo beat up some fodder, therefore no one can beat him!

What?

A person's nen abilities depend on their nature. Chrollo is a thief. He does not make anything, he steals.

the shadow beasts are very clearly not fodder if they're used to protect the entirety of the underground black market

Chrollo is a cheater

this sort of explain how hard is to make a hatsu, more so multiple ones that Chrollo prefers to steal them
also hatsus come from your "personality" ie your "SOVL"
You can' just invent whatever
That's why copying other people hatsus is a bad idea

can't wait for the official translation to come out so you faggots crying about specialists can just shut up already

NTA, but Yorknew mafia/10 dons are fodder, especially now that we see other mafia groups.

No bud, they're pretty clearly fodder. Let's not kid ourselves here.

i honestly disagree. i think someone like worm or dog still clear the majority of heil-ly that we've seen. we haven't really seen much of the others. hinrigh is strong but he's also a lieutenant so it's not like he's just some average guy either

And if the official translation affirms specialists being nen gods, are you going to keep making excuses for Togashit?

The shadow beasts would literally rape everyone on the other mafia except hnrigh and Kenn I, who are probably equal to an individual shadow beats member overall.

You mean the same fight where Uvogin almost died?

anybody who's not troupe, hisoka, or main 4 are fodder

kastro alone clears 75% of the troupe by the way

You can just immediately compare how the troupe acts with the yorknew mafia vs the new mafia. If they were actually shitters, then we'd see another massacre.

They don’t need another massacre because they aren’t fighting the other mafia my friend. The shadow beats targeted the troupe. The two current mafia want balance not a fight. They literally state they would get raped ; hnrigh himself says that.
Are we reading the same manga?

Kortopi would one-shot Kastro.

almost died

yea he was really on the brink of dying lmao. they almost got him for sure

Retcon
Now nen users are more common and organizations like the mafia use tons of them

With each new batch of chapters, Togashi attempts to filter out filthy pisstards and succeeds every time

Don't see how its much of a retcon considering nen is established in universe to be a secret. We really have no clue about how common it is with these organisations.

Yes they did, speedy.

based midwit IQ specialist

we don't know how many nen users are in cha-r and xiyu

Nobunigga will be gon's next nen teacher and demand a duel with Kurapika after the meet in the new continent

He literally would've died if Shalnark hadn't told him how to deal with the leeches.

zushi (estudiante de wing)

who can beat him?

and chrollo would've died without shalnark's ability. your point?

yeah basically, you'd need 2.5X more nen output assuming you create the Uvo gorilla strike to match 100% of Uvo's punch

Uvo was almost killed by a bunch of jobbers. Uvo is a joke.

Leave Killian alone he ain't a fag

as is chrollo, by your logic

Wing was kinda holding Gon back though, if he actually taught Gon and Kill at their speed they would be a lot better prepared and powerful. Ten and Ren (fundamentals) didn't really cut it by the end of Heaven's Arena

Morena probably wants borksen to shoulder all the risk on the whole "sink the boat with no survivors minus me" plan

I accept your concession.

This is dumb
You can use nen to avoid being shot or stabbed by a knife.
You are telling me that you can't use kou or ken to avoid leeches from eating your dick?

i accepted yours a long while ago, quite frankly

Is this true?

The official translation isn't even out yet, but it seems like if what Morena said is true, then it partially contradicts the Attribute Circles notes. The only point of convergence is the idea that Specialists can and should train outside of their type (which Biscuit has cleanly stated to be the best way to train in the first place). The panel in picrel is very explicit in what it means, and the whole spiel about "training in the type of Nen that Specialists are supposed to have a hard time with in terms of the hexagonal chart" implies one has to train in the RIGHT, seemingly incompatible type of Nen to grow in proficiency, not ANYTHING GOES type of Nen as implied by Morena. This is very important if Nen learners are interested in getting the most efficient training possible.

Of course, Morena might be painting a picture to get Bork to develop the exact ability that she needs. If Morena had said: "Hey, I need this complex hybrid ability out of you, but it may seem completely useless for your end uses, and may not be the right practice for Specialist Nen learners, and it will be extra difficult and take up most of your memory space", it wouldn't fly so well.

The other categories give basic benefits in addition to being directed toward hatsu abilities, and whichever category they have will give those benefits at 100%

Specialization gives no basic benefits, but lets a Specialist go off the rails with their hatsu, which they're more dependent on because it's their only 100% category without an ability like Emperor Time explicitly fucking with things on a meta level.

This is not hard

The leeches attack from inside your body, dummy. No, you can't defend against that with Ten, which only covers the outer surface of your body.

what is this major headcanon

basic benefits

That a specialist can acquire by training in that category.

they're obviously nen leeches, unless Uvogin can shroud his bladder in nen he'd bleed out from his average sized asian wang

i wanna have sex with ApplePitou

Pretty sure everything he said was basically fully canon
Kurapika basically explained as much in York New, regarding efficiency

only surface

Shoko points are inside the body
You literally concentrate aura in a part of the body, not above the skin or anything like that

considering shalnark knew what they were and how exactly they work they're definitely just regular leeches and leech manipulates them inside his body

it kind of makes sense because there's no specialist-unique nen training that we've seen, but it's probably still difficult more difficult for them to train compared to if it were the specialist's native category

Bisky/Uvo are the perfect examples that you don't need a fancy hatsu to be strong or combat capable and Bisky isn't even an enhancer.

Again nen gets added to the physical attack force (if any).

It's the reason why some nen users can stop bullets more easily than other or why Uvo could punch worm so hard even underground.

There is a reason why Zoldyck train the physical abilities of their sons too.

Nah, from what I understand specialists have no level cap and no handicap for the other categories i.e.they can become proficient in all aspects of nen.
(See Kurapika explanation and Bisky training Kill and Gon for more evidence)

They still need to lvl up each category individually which requires time and is a major investment.

other categories give basic benefits

like? literally what basic benefits?

not really... like a specialist can't shoot as many powerful nen bullets as an emitter
A specialist could make a weird hatsu that shoots nen bullets that turn things they hit into sand because thats emission + conjuration. An emitter couldnt do that well since they'd have trouble learning the conjuration part of the hatsu

could have been somewhat nen enhanced like Gido's tops

The leeches kill you by overloading your urinary tract, retard. How does enhancing anything inside your body prevent that from happening?

yea, maybe. i guess we can't know for sure

If the shadow beast jumped kurapika he would lose btw

Bisky is buff homonculoid of a woman

her fancy hatsu is basically increased resting efficiency though we haven't seen all of her abilities

Uvo's non-fancy hatsu is a straight right

I guess that's true but they were fighting against people of much lower level than them, Gon and Killua were punching up for the most part (especially Gon)

I wanna draw Bork any requests?

Reread what Uvo said during his fight with Kurapika about figuring out what nen category Kurapika must belong to, as well as what constituted training each nen category by Biscuit, and the actual canon definition of a specialist. Until then, seethe more.

6 months with Frauding and the boys barely know the basics

6 months with Godsunavi and Kurapika is a full-fledged nen master who’s created multiple hatsus, can use all the advanced techniques, and has an encyclopedic knowledge of nen

Why is Wing such a bad teacher?

Bork getting molest by Morena

if shaping aura is transmutation, why is pip play useless? you would think getting good at it would very effectively increase your skill in transmutation

I do agree you can't really aura buff your insides though
Pre-ship Pika yeah but I think current Pika clears. They were kind of slightly above average jobbers though, I think the haiku guy could have taken them

Bork molesting go back girl.

ok done

headcanon

Like literally what the categories do
You think a specialist could use big bang impact as well as Uvo?
Morena was talking about "struggling to learn" abilities, she didn't imply specialists were as efficient at using them as users in their own category
Kurapikas a psycho restriction abusing cheater...

all you need is fundamentals

versus

damn kid, that's unrealistic but let's try to make a hatsu

Basically catering to the needs of their students. Two of those months was no training also

It's like doing basic training when you could be doing advanced training. Also the pips are very simple shape changes, less advanced than the first level transmutation training.

Kurapikas a psycho restriction abusing cheater...

Restrictions only boost power. They don't make it any easier to create an ability. They also don't allow you to learn advanced techniques or acquire knowledge.

Bork eating a delicious Ice cream sandwich

Stop coping, Zushi. Your sensei sucks.

Pika demanded his guy teach him to make a hatsu

did togashi say he's emitter?

? that's not a basic benefit, then. that's literally just hatsu. every single category, including specialists, are "benefitted" from this. you think an enhancer could use kurapika's chains nearly as effectively? that's what you're saying

And? How does that make Wing any less worthless as a teacher?

What’s izunavis nen type?

Goreinu's ability revolves around teleportation so he's probably an emitter.

Manipulators are capable of putting more aura behind objects. Conjurer's are capable of putting more aura than normal into the objects that they conjure (this one is presumed, the only one not stated outright). Enhancers actually do get basic bonuses to reinforcement. Transmutation governs shape formation behind aura, which is the major reason bungee gum is as outrageous as it is. Emission gives longevity when aura is separated from the user. Even without hatsu, these factors are still in play. Specialization isn't getting any of these at 100%, and presumably still can't have all of them at 80%. They're still subject to the overall capacity limitations, they can just redistribute their chart for the sake of justifying an ability. This is why Emperor Time exists in the first place.

Specialist. It's the only category that matters. Everything else is fodder.

the pips aren't simple shape changes. ging does some crazy shit with his aura, and they all act like it's the most impressive thing they've seen. so it's clearly very difficult and requires a lot of control

What revived the hype?

categories are able to use their hatsu to 100% effectiveness

yea... you're right... i guess specialists can't use hatsu.....

Other anons pointed out that Uvo would've died twice in his fight against the shadow beasts. For Bisky, it actually makes sense when you consider her ability is useful for a hunt.

I'm not coping or defending Wing, he definitely stalled Gon and Killua with his teaching, but Kurapika rushed his teaching to the highest level. Gon and Killua probably had the talent to do that also though I don't think Gon could come up with a hatsu before Bitsy anyway

Togashi ruined nen.

It's not just hatsu, it dictates how well they use nen in general even outside of their hatsu and specialists don't get any of them at 100%

The change in shapes isn't that advanced though. They remain simple shapes no more complex than numbers. Also what they are considering impressive is the number of things he is doing at the same time. That doesn't mean it requires advanced techniques, it means it's a lot of things to do simultaneously.

oh that's a very subtle nuance

Machi will kill the Jobber Beasts

Is this moviebefore/after greed island?

5-0

Are you a Wanpisser by any chance?

no it doesn't.

Manipulators are capable of putting more aura behind objects

this is because they're literally manipulating the object, so all of their aura is put into it

Conjurer's are capable of putting more aura than normal into the objects that they conjure

same principle. the object is made from their nen, all of their nen is poured into it. it's not simple shu

Enhancers actually do get basic bonuses to reinforcement.

yes, enhancement nen makes them stronger. that's hatsu

Transmutation governs shape formation behind aura, which is the major reason bungee gum is as outrageous as it is.

i'm not sure what you're saying with this. transmuters can shape aura better? i.e., transmuting their aura? which is hatsu?

Emission gives longevity when aura is separated from the user.

hatsu
none of the other categories can "mimic" this stuff at 100% effectiveness. it's not a basic benefit, it's literally just the hatsu of their category. i get what you're saying ("well, what can specialization do special then!"). they aren't limited by narrow definitions of the category. that's the "basic benefit." this isn't like it's some compensation for specialists or something. that's just how the category works

Godsunavi Chads I kneel

are you a speedreader by any chance?

And when does this movie take place during timeline?

In Uvo's case the Shadow Beasts tried to out compete an enhacer with sub-par hatsu on CQC.

Only worm survived the encounter because his hatsu made him stronger when underground.

legitimately the most impressive nen feat in the entire series

No answer

ok, definitely a Wanpisser. That explains it

You Gingtards will eat up anything this retarded hobo does.

i'm just gonna ignore the canon explicitly laid out during greed island because i have no argument

no problem, dude. you really have no presence when you argue like an indian

...chuu...

It's basically what Zeno did though? He only change his aura into dragon shape

he gives it the "properties" of a dragon. good luck figuring out what that means

Alright, I'll bite. Post the canon then pisstard

making some tiny aura balls is the same as creating a giant fucking dragon

No.

He makes his aura look like a dragon. This isn't difficult.

It doesn't mean that what he does is advanced transmutation. We know that shape shifting aura is the first level of transmutation training, so it isn't complicated. Zeno may or may not also be doing other things, but it's still the fact that his dragons are far more complex shapes. It is likely that he is also changing the property of his aura to make it solid.

It's not very subtle, imo. Most people here wouldn't be as outraged at this new "revelation" if Specialist powers are said to be tacky and abstruse to train and develop. Morena basically said Specialists can learn and master any Nen type without issue and mix and match them as desired. Which to me sounds like a terrible asspull in a supposedly balanced power system.

make sure not to speedread through it

bruh, all transmutation abilities make aura tangible anon

and how exactly is that at all more useful than just blasting regular aura? if all it is is a dragon shape, why bother using transmutation (which he's only 60% effective in)? obviously it has more properties, dumb fuck

I'm not sure electricity is truly "tangible".

People who got struck by lighting disagree. It is tangible the same way fire and air are tangible

So is aura alone by that, people can sense and feel aura or be harmed by it, even unawakened to nen. That doesn't make it solid, nor is electricity solid.

So is aura alone by that

No, enhancement don't make your aura become tangible. Emission and transmutation do

why bother using transmutation

Because shape transformation is easy, simple and the shape itself was desirable. It's not like the manga says the dragon is a transmutation technique. It's an inference from the fact that the manga states shape transformation is transmutation.

god, bisky is so cute

Zushi using Ren gave rise to something Killua could sense. Wing using Ren made both Gon and Killua sense what he was doing. Aura can be sensed alone without technique applied to it. Besides I said solid before, you changed it to tangible, as where transmutation can make electricity, which is not solid.

It looks cool.

the transmutation is to increase the effectiveness of the aura

dragon aura hits harder than human aura

The actual attack emission is 100% though. He's just using the transmutation to boost his emission, he's not attacking with transmutation itself like Killua and Hisoka do, though whether Hisoka uses emission to throw bungie gum and remote contract it is a different discussion

nta, manga doesn't state that btw

his gorillas are teleportation?

Illumi doesn't manipulate needles. He manipulates people through needles, and yet his needles can overcome a person's reinforcement through sheer aura far easier because he's a manipulator. Hisoka is able to maintain several tendrils of aura and operate them independently over decent ranges (as long as they are still connected to his aura and not detached) not because he has activated bungee gum, but because his transmutation is that high. A conjured object's ability doesn't have to have anything to do with its physical properties for a conjured to make it reinforced more than they can reinforce themselves. A character doesn't need a hatsu that involves changing the shape of their aura in order for them to use shape changes to improve their transmutation. The point is that these categories aren't just explicit hatsu, but they are skills and a specialist isn't going to match those skills (presuming their overall talent is tied) in a direct confrontation without winning solely through their hatsu. You can consider it like stats; even a manipulator or conjurer is going to have the means to win against an otherwise equal specialist through sheer aura combat, and the specialist MUST make the difference up directly with their ability or otherwise outperform in skill. It doesn't mean much if it's Chrollo against someone far beneath him, but when it's between two people evenly matched there is a clear benefit to belonging to another category

Not in the most direct terms but it does.

dragon aura hits harder than human aura

kek. not really insulting you or anything but this justification just sounds so retardedly funny

I can't believe she looks like that and her name is Bork

Not the other retard who fed you, but please stop. You've been shitting up a few threads now on this topic. Ko, Ken and Shu are basic applications of aura, but they are explicitly Enhancement techniques, and Enhancers are better at them. That's the end of it.

Can people stop feeding the ESL retard? There's nothing to be gained. This is not worth discussing.

From Best to Worst:
1. Specialization
2. Conjuration
3. Manipulation
4. Emission
5. Enhancement
6. Transmutation

The white gorilla can swap places with him, the black one can swap places with another person.

What about Ryu?

I know it is kinda retarded, it's probably some rule of cool shit. All the emitters seem to shape their aura into something before they emit it (ball, fist, dragon, ball) so it's probably like a type of condition to launch the ability, basically

make it harder to do by forcing yourself to give it a cool shape

now it's strong(er) nen

The endpoint is the same though, they're not attacking with the transmutation they're just priming their emission attack with transmutation, like how Kurapika needs to conjure his chains before he's allowed to use healing chain or other stuff

but are they conjured or what?

I think manipulation and emission are the worst. Transmutation is a dice roll between

have autism (hisokek)

traumatic childhood torture (killua)

be a semi-useless support (Biscuit)

Given that most transmuters are going to be the third one there's not much winning

It's not. Shizuku used nen to arm wrestle Gon, nobunaga did too

Emission lets you teleport, manipulation lets you control people. That's way more useful than transmutation's slippery aura.

Illumi doesn't manipulate needles. He manipulates people through needles, and yet his needles can overcome a person's reinforcement through sheer aura far easier because he's a manipulator.

this is getting out of scope. you know where you get the "manipulators can put more aura into an object" from? uvogin, who was talking about kurapika's chains (pic related), because he assumed kurapika was possibly manipulating the chains. anything else is headcanon

Hisoka is able to maintain several tendrils of aura and operate them independently over decent ranges (as long as they are still connected to his aura and not detached) not because he has activated bungee gum, but because his transmutation is that high.

i still don't know what you mean by this. he's able to control his bungee gum because he's a transmuter and he created the ability. how is this a "basic benefit." it's literally his own ability that he trained up

A conjured object's ability doesn't have to have anything to do with its physical properties for a conjured to make it reinforced more than they can reinforce themselves.

again, conjuring an item with an ability is hatsu. it's an expression of conjuration

The point is that these categories aren't just explicit hatsu, but they are skills and a specialist isn't going to match those skills (presuming their overall talent is tied) in a direct confrontation without winning solely through their hatsu.

no, it is explicit hatsu. i really don't get why you think a transmuter being able to effectively transmute their aura or a conjurer being able to conjure a powerful object is a "basic benefit" that specialists are disadvantaged for lacking. i already told you, that's just hatsu. and the potential of a specialist's hatsu is being able to have an ability that does not have to be narrowly defined

All the emitters seem to shape their aura into something before they emit it

Tell that to Knov and Terebellum

nope, they are not enhancement techniques. the reason this is enhancement training is because training aura in general (quality, quantity, power, whatever) is good enough for enhancers, because the majority of them use advanced aura techniques combined with enhancer nen for fighting and rely on essentially raw aura, instead of coming up with a crazy ability. you still have yet to argue with this, by the way. don't think i don't remember your garbage from the other threads

Pitou was like 40 days old

yea but we don't know if they used nen here. it's a "strength" ranking after all. imo that implies raw strength. otherwise nobunaga should be much higher

PT leader getting disrespected right in front of his whole group

Yeah no shit

Nah every time we saw the troupe arm wrestle it was with nen, you have no basis. Nobunaga just sucks

Not explicitly implied in the manga, but I'd speculate that due to its nature, Ryu correlates with one's mastery of Transmutation.

I don't think the faggot you replied to agree with you though

m-muh fujos!

That is so retarded it borders on bait.

He already had a chance to marry an ant, and he killed it.

Old enough.

When I speculate, I will say that I speculate. You're free to disregard it, but the ability to shape aura has consistently been attributed to Transmutation, so I'd say it's a good basis.

It's not shape of aura. It's aura output. You aren't transmuting anything. Otherwise Manipulators would just be the worst Ren users and would probably be the weakest Nen users by far.

Pretty sure Jobunaga is just physically weak, that's all. He's a swordsman, not really an unga bunga fighter.

We were talking about Ryu, not Ren. Ryu redistributes aura in real-time. The total output is the same as when you do Ken.

Ten, Ren and Zetsu seems to be technique agnostic, though some people are better at Zetsu than others.

ia he happy now that martial law has been declared?

Ryu is changing output while in a state of Ken. it's basically deactivating Ken in some parts of your body to further output where you want it. You aren't shaping your aura at all. Also, you just admitted it's not transmutation. If Ryu is just Gyo + Ken (Ten + Ren), how can it use transmutation? It's all category agnostic.

Specialists can have any percent efficiency for enhancement.

Netero is the best example of following that advice, though. The dude spent ages in the wild just punching and praying. His solid fundamentals came first, which is what Wing was preaching.

Anon, I've explained quite clearly why I think one advanced technique is better served by a Nen type than others. You cannot convince me En is not improved if used by an Emitter, whose entire niche is the separation of Nen from their body.

There are many ways one can mental gymnastics it, hence I emphasised it's a personal speculation. Ryu directly translates to "Flow", which evokes an act of shaping/forming. Its description does not involve "turning off" and "turning on" aura. One can interpret "redistribution" as they will.

Advanced techniques are derived from Ten, Ren and Zetsu, during which the Nen types will have come into effect. Gyo, for example, is not "just Ren focused on a body part", the act of "focusing" itself is already an expression of your Nen.

Ren does not separate your aura from your body. You quite clearly know nothing about Nen if this is how you view things. Sorry but there's just no point in arguing with you when you get things so fundamentally incorrect.

anon, gyo is just ren focused on one part of the body lol. it's increasing aura output on that particular body part rather than your whole aura. cmon man.

That would be enhancement.

so THIS is the calibre of retard arguing with me about what is and isn't an enhancement technique? no wonder winning the argument was the easiest thing in the world. my god man you need to stop injecting headcanon into everything, it clouds your reality

Ryu is enhancement, not transmutation, dumbass.

how can ten and ren be enhancement? go ahead and explain this one

No, Wing literally said enhancers shouldn’t create “special abilities”. Netero shat all over that idea.

ten is transmutation because you're giving shape to your aura. ren is emission because you're making it output further away from your body. combined, this means it's enhancement because it ENHANCES your fighting prowess. duhhh.

Ryu is a variant of Ken. Ken is using aura to ENHANCE your defence.

what do you think ken is btw

Nah he's right.

Yes.

Any transmuter can do much, much more than that.