Now that the dust has settled was the ending really that bad?

See the "which was also bad" part. That's what was consistent, that both the manga and its ending were bad.

yeah

Yes it was terrible. Move on to a different series. Stop making these threads every other day.

it was awful

The literal end was pretty bad, but almost everything after the timeskip was already terrible, so honestly it's hard to single out the ending as the real problem.
Every character was acting so fucking weird and nonsensical, everyone was coping "well surely once we see Eren's real motivation, everything will make sense again".
And then we saw it.
And nothing made sense anyway.

What a colossalwaste of time.

this
but it wasn't a waste of time, snk is always enjoyable.

Yes but the most commonly cited bit from it is very far from the worst aspect of the ending

yeah Eren being retarded about Mikasa is really the least offensive part

What was the most offensive part?

the moral of the story is being a simp is bad

lelouch ending is pretty fucking stupid by default, but it could be excused if it was properly built up.
but the most offensive part fundamentally is the fact that we don't see the changes that turned Eren into an unrecognisable character. so now all we're left with is this weirdo psychopath doing awful, stupid things and we're supposed to be like "oh yeah that's the kid who loves freedom and hates the murder of innocent bystanders"

When he tells her he'll keep wrapping the scarf around, he's literally saying "I'll be with you forever "

oh you mean the thing he says after breaking off her attempt to kiss him? the implication at the time was pretty clear: I don't want to be your lover, but I'll always be your family.

also he's more obsssed with armin in that scene but that's getting into shipping wars

but almost everything after the timeskip was already terrible

it was good until the cringevergers

Ending should have been eren killing everyone and starting over with historia as the new adam and eve

His initial plan was a ending like The Mist, but he changed to a Guardians of the Galaxy kind of ending

for me it's the cringevengers going why are we doing this again every other chapter

really, you thought Eren acting like a totally different character, getting his friends killed, causing huge destruction in marley, killing children, innocent people and personally escalating the conflict of paradis with the world was good?
having to accept all these things without any explanation for like 30 chapters because "ooooooh we can't let eren speak with any of his friends ever again because his motives are sooooo mysterious", that shit was satisfying to you?
and then when we finally learn his motives, it's revelead that there's really no good reason for any of this and him and zeke are simply the biggest, most clueless retards in the world, executing the worst ideas ever in the worst way? that was good too?

Isn't she adorable???!!!

Post winners.

entire braun clan won so hard it makes the early chapters almost comical

he's here

This. The ending was horrible but the whole series really dipped in quality after the timeskip.

Chuds and incels are bad, but so is Isayama and his thirst for revenge while he watches star wars slop.

Only Anon Babble fags hated it.

half of these popularity awards and then a bunch of marketing gimmicks

EHschizos STILL delusional and seething

Lmao. It's hilarious that Anon Babble only hates the ending because their crackship wasn't real.

shipping in this completely sexless series was the least of my problems
I was more hung up about the whole genocide thing

faggot japs can't be trusted to write genocidekino

I really didn't think so. I personally thought it was 7/10. I also think 90% of the seethe came from disillusioned EHfags and people who thought Eren was supposed to be this cold steel ubermensch character. The main problem, like with several other manga I could name, was the lack of satisfying payoff for several main characters' goals.

Anon
That ending was so goddamn bad that no matter how well it took off or cruised, it didn't stick the landing.
And I'm aware that manga doesn't always end well but AoT crashed harder than AA191

The ending was just the result of the whole marely arc being shit.

people rooting for eren to actually destroy the world are retarded and their opinions on the ending should be ignored
but that doesnt mean the ending wasn't shit

the implication at the time was pretty clear: I don't want to be your lover,

For autists? Sure. For everyone that doesn't have autism the implication was he was reciprocating her feelings, and he didn't kiss her because there was a fucking titan about to kill them and he wanted to stop it. Everyone but /snk/ understood this, it's why 99% of the fanbase never thought Eren was into Historia, unlike schizos here.

I for one would have liked for Eren to live out the rest of his days with Mikasa

nice pic

Eren destroying the world was what the world deserved

The ending should of been Eren does complete the genocide but only for the Eldians to turn on each other and destroy themselves because their is no outside threat to unite against.

For how the story was after the basement reveal, it stayed coherent and consistent with it.

why are you rooting for the only proactive and capable character

I don't think Eren was into Historia, for one because Historia is obviously into Ymir, but also the two of them don't really have that many moments together? Did they even interact before the royal government arc?

But also Eren didn't seem to be into Mikasa all that much either. And sorry, you're the one coping if you try to spin him breaking off a kiss into "uhm actually he really wanted to reciprocate". That being said, I have no issue with the finale revealing him to want Mikasa to be keep loving him. It's stupid considering he had a million opportunities to be with her, but whatever, he's a dumb kid. I have no strong feelings one way or another.

Maybe it did, but Eren deserved better than turning into a genocidal maniac and then dying, to ultimately be remembered by history as the worst person to ever live.

The main issue isn’t if Eren should of finished the genocide or not, but rather the fact that the author wanted his cake and eat it too with Eren’s morality wether or not he is a victim or a total monster.

one man's monster is another man's hero. What he was doing was the correct choice for the situation even if it's horrible. The opposing side who was going to genocide them was also correct in their assessment

You seem reasonable, why do you think it was shit?

Was the ending of Death Note bad?
Was Joker 2 that bad?

Really, I don't know why authors who write charismatic antiheros have to get so salty when people end up liking them.

Death Note was great. Joker 2 is a steaming pile of elephant shit.

Eren was really the only person who consistently had Historia's back after Ymir left.
I can't blame anyone for seeing the two as couple material.

First half of marley arc is good tho, if you're fine with the premise of the basement reveal
Story starts to decline in 2nd half of marley arc, but action is still fun.

mostly because of these things: And even if I look past all the things I consider out of character or leaps of logic, ultimately the narrative boils down to two people with godlike powers doing whatever dumb shit they want and all the people we are told are smart and reasonable just sitting by and watching as everything constantly gets worse. That's the post-timeskip story. Bunch of people sitting around, powerless to stop Eren from constantly making everything worse. Riveting story.

What he was doing was the correct choice for the situation even if it's horrible.

I don't believe that considering it's established Eren + Zeke have almost godlike powers together. And if this truly was the best course of action for the awful situation the world found itself in, then I blame the author for creating a world and story where the best course of action leads to such a deeply unsatisfying conclusion that turned ints main character into a cruel mass murderer. And EVEN if I accept that this truly was the best choice, on the micro level it's still really fucking shit? Did these two retards really have to escalate everything to the point that Marley invades Paradis, kills thousands, untold destruction... when Eren could have just linked up with Zeke in Marley? Or on the Zeppelin ride back home? Or at fucking any other point? Was being an asshole to all his friends necessary? Did Sascha have to die for the grand plan?

We must forgive people for the atrocities they commited against us while under the influence of propaganda

Nah.

Bunch of people sitting around, powerless to stop Eren from constantly making everything worse.

are we talking about the same main characters that would've all died in the 1st arc without Eren. Or how they're all banking on Erwin's strategies to accomplish everything for them?
Of course they're fucking useless. They've always been useless and now they're in even further way over their head.

what atrocities did the eldians in liberio commit? or any of the random people that die in the rumbling for that matter.

I will agree in the way that the narrative tries WAYYYYYY too hard to make the reader give a shit about Marley. Marley is the fucking worst. But that's not a defense of Eren, that's just another flaw of the story.

complain about Eren being turned into a cruel mass murder

complain about Eren waiting until the very last second before committing to being a cruel mass murderer

nigger what do you even want? The actual dumbfucker all stems from pic related.

??????
Scouts do a bunch of shit without Eren. And often, they are the ones to enable Eren, to motivate him or bring him back from despair.

But post-timeskip they really just do nothing after they rescue Eren from Marley up until the final battle.

I'm going to let known threats to my and my countries' safety live to fight another day because moralfaggotry

a bunch of shit like what? Literally all the Scouts do is try to rescue Eren from being captured, end up getting themselves in deep shit and needing Eren to asspull a new power to save their asses.
They're fucking worthless.

It's rather funny

Yes, those things are not mutually exclusive? I think Eren turning into a cruel mass murderer is bad and fundamentally unsatisfying. But if for whatever reason that is the way this story would have to go, I would prefer him to at least not be a totally retarded mass murderer. People that like the ending (retards) tend to cling to the idea that this was the only way to protect the island and Eren's friends - whatever. But if that's true, maybe execute your grand plan in a way a little less dangerous to your friends? Again, was Sascha a sacrifice the island demanded? Was inviting an invasion that kills uncount civilians and puts all his friends in danger necessary? Was this really the master plan? It seems incredibly unlikely that all these steps are necessary, so even I buy into the genocide vision, the execution of this plan just makes Eren and Zeke look totally retarded.

Which in turn makes the inability for any other charater to stop or even influence them all the more frustrating.

The correct answer

a bunch of shit like what?

let's see

defeat the armored titan and the beast titan in RtS (and really, Armin pretty much beat the colossal titan)

take eren back from the armored titan during clash of titans

save Eren from the female titan

and that's not even talking about all the little shit like Armin dragging Eren out of his trance in Trost. You can meme about Eren doing everything, but the other character did something too, directly or indirectly. In the final arc, they literally do nothing. They spend like 20 chapters assembling the avengers, and then they talk about how they really can't do shit.

it's literally a canon fact the Scouts have accomplished absolutely nothing before Eren though

Gabgab winners

Best gang

>defeat the armored titan and the beast titan in RtS (and really, Armin pretty much beat the colossal titan)

Eren was the one who executed the plan and the Beast Titan was defeated at the cost of literally 99.99% of all the Scouts in the entire military. And Levi didn't even capture it, fucking failure.

take Eren back from the armored titan

Eren wasn't in any danger in the first place since Zeke wouldn't let him be killed and Eren ended up having to rescue himself with the Founder powers

save Eren from the female titans

Eren only needed to be saved because he trusted the Scouts' plan that ended up getting his squad killed. Eren wanted to jump Annie with Levi but he was convinced no to.

b-but Armin talk no jutsu

Armin's talk no jutsu's can go fuck themselves. Making other characters stupid just to hype up a Gary Stu is the worst possible way to write a smart character.

gab gab gab!

Armin didn't talk Eren into waking up because he's smart, but because he's his best friend and actually understands him. And that's a perfectly fine way to write a friendship.

And you can dismiss all the contribution of the cast all you want, fact of the matter is you can't even make up memes like this after the timeskip because they do nothing.

Based!

Of course they do nothing. Not a damn one of them is equipped to handle the fact the entire planet wants them dead. The 104th was always a collection of dogshit non-characters so of course they will continue to be passive and simply sit down and wait for a solution to appear out of the aether. The closest thing to an actual conflict with nuance they had to deal with was the uprising against the government, and that was 50% Erwin orchestrating the rebellion and 50% Eren orchestrating the assassination of the royal family.

Okay, so I should see this whole shit as an even BIGGER waste of time because clearly all these characters were pointless? Is that what I'm supposed to think to feel BETTER about the series and the ending?

This. I’ve yet to meet one retarded superfan who can logically explain to me why Eren didn’t initiate the rumburuurur
during the Marley rendezvous with Zeke. Why drag out years of planning and preparation when all you’re doing is sending retarded titants to march across the globe?

noo i have to have an invasion going and then struggle while decapitated to touch my gay monkey brother!!

This manga post time skip is retarded

Of course it's a waste of time. You tell me a single thing of value that can be gleaned from this joke of a series carried by animation and mystery?

The only feasible explanation is that Eren really was hoping the world didn't go full retard but instead actually reached out to try and de-escalate.
Of course, that contradicts the same retards wanting Eren to be a complete psycho that just wants to kill.

Cuckoldery seems like to be popular for Shounen endings nowadays.
I really hate this "le subvert expectations" trend. It should die already.

Why would Eren "hope" anything? Last I checked, he lost all agency after the timeskip and is simply going through the motion of his future memories.

(great state for your main character to be in, by the way, super interesting)

here's your final twist bro

No matter what way an individual spins it, it still won’t make sense. It’s just bad writing. They also met up in the forest during the final operation.

classic

Yes.

Anything after L's death in DN

good

kekapoo

EH made more sense than EM.

knows Eren is going to die in like 2 years

still doesn't confess

Mikasa is a strong contender for worst girl ever

in my headcanon mikasa ruined the world because when Eren asked her "why do you like me, what am I too you" it was less about the romantice between them and more that Eren was so deeply lost within his own head and the path and his memory shit, he lost himself, he needed someone to remind him of his humanity, of his good qualities, of the value of his life and life in general.
But of course Mikasa dropped the ball so Eren remained a suicidal misanthrope.

refuses to confess

refuses to say anything other than "ur famili :)"

sides with lifelong enemies of the country and those who want to exterminate her

does absolutely nothing with her life

fantasizes about man she killed who she still loved but couldn't fucking bother to actually talk to

marries some beta orbiter

still prefers oneitis from decades before

is buried next to teenage oneitis in the vague hope of an afterlife reunion

fucking awful character

When he tells her he'll keep wrapping the scarf around, he's literally saying "I'll be with you forever "

So Falco x Colt is romance?

BRA deserved better. I don't care what anyone says, they were a kino trio that should have been better explored.

bro BRA got like, the best deal in the entire story
okay maybe not Berthold but the two other got more than they could possibly deserve. Especially Annie, that bitch took way too much pleasure in killing.

Zeke needed to transform into his Titan form for Eren to initiate the Rumbling. How the fuck could Eren have possibly initiated the Rumbling at his whim at that point in time?

that bitch took way too much pleasure in killing.

Kill yourself, she only attacked people that attacked her first.

Imagine if at the end of Gurren Laggan everyone have turned against Simon because "genociding the anti-spirals is WRONG!" and then they proceed to kill him, then we get a flash-forward of the earth destroyed and everyone sealed in coffins just like the anti-spirals in their home planet.

nigger they got away with everything

So? They deserved more exploration and development.

yeah and then she killed them in gruesome and playful ways

Brought it on themselves, anybody with a brain knows she has a complex about her height and obviously enjoyed finally having power over people.

BRA deserved better

They got the best ending out of any character involved, what the fuck are you talking about?

at any point in time? the two met in marley, could have started then.

at any point in time?

They literally just met ONCE, you dumbfuck. And Zeke was dumbfounded when Eren "accidentally" dropped the ball he threw over to him in exchange for a handshake. That's when he started suspecting Eren and that's the reason he Uno reversed him in the Paths.

Yeah, they met once. And they had an eternity of time to discuss their shit over in that one meeting. And, considering the actions that follow, it seems like that one meeting was enough to have them align with each other (though Eren had ulterior motives). The end result is the same - why wait, why cause an invasion, why cause so much death and destruction and put your friends in danger when you could simply... not do that? And hold hands right there, right now?

The ending itself and the meltdown around it made me laugh really hard so it was worth that much at least

3 reasons

Zeke wasn't sure who'd be in control when they touch.

Zeke didn't trust Eren enough to risk transforming.

And most importantly, they'd be in a vulnerable position smack dab in enemy territory if Zeke makes noise by transforming. Zeke would fail if Marley kills him before enacting his plan. He didn't know that Paths was timeless at that point.

The only result they touched each other in Paradis in that situation was because they were forced to.

lol @ bert he's a forever sperg

Zeke wasn't sure who'd be in control when they touch.

And he did nothing to uncover that information until they touched anyway. So it either wasn't that important or he could never know, either way it's irrelevant.

Zeke didn't trust Eren enough to risk transforming.

Kind of valid, but in response I would expect to simply push the issue. He's the one trying to protect his friends (supposedly). He's the one agreeing to Zeke's plan (or pretending to be), surely he can at least demand to SPEED IT UP.

location

Kind of valid, but also really easy to change. Surely there was a way to leave the city and transform in an unknown location (and then meet up with the colossals in the ocean or whatever, same as it eventually happened)

*I would expect Eren to push the issue

Everybody loves bert!

I doubt it

but also really easy to change. Surely there was a way to leave the city and transform in an unknown location

No. Marley keeps close tabs on Zeke. He can't go wherever he wants, especially outside their jurisdiction.

Didn't he already "disappear" when Eren attacked? Pretty sure there was some talk about the Marley soldiers/warrior being like "where is Zeke".
You cannot make me believe there was no way for the two of them to covertly leave the city.

which series destroyed itself and made all its fans turn on it harder? attack on titan or reincarnation incest manga?

Didn't he already "disappear" when Eren attacked?

No one noticed BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ENEMY ATTACK! Are you really this dumb?

So why exactly was he so autistically overprotective of Historia when he knew titan curse will be gone but was fine with killing his other friends?

well they either keep close tabs on him or he's free to do whatever and they don't know where he is if he's needed
an attack shouldn't change that, either he's kept under guard/surveillance and they should tell him to get his ass in the game right now or he's not and could slip away at any time

charismatic

I'll give you sympathetic, but charismatic? Arthur Fleck? You're kidding

That's not how it works. No one's "watching" him 24/7. Otherwise he wouldn't be able to have his clandestine meetings with Yelena, Kiyomi and Eren. However, what they DO heavily keep an eye on are the people entering and leaving the Eldian ghetto. That's been emphasized throughout the series. It's not easy to smuggle people in and out of there, especially someone as recognisable as Zeke.

The other one since this franchise still has people talking about it from time to time, though the other one ended recently, so we should wait for some time to pass.
The founding titan powers messed with his head to the point of not being able to discern past, present and future, and didn't have an exact memory of the order of events from the future, but nonetheless decided to continue following his memories from the future because he was fine with the outcome of it, the erasure of the titan powers.

No, but i also don't overthink teen stories unlike the other autists in the thread

Why are you people self-censoring Oshi no Ko's name?

The peak of the story was the basement recapture fightz and all the waiting before that to see what the hell is going on. In my opinion that part and that blue balling up to that point was so good there was nothing they could do to top that. The author set the bar too high for himself. Nobody felt themselves after that and I couldn't force myself to love or get used to the new cast.

On another hand, I can hardly name any anime/manga where the ending isn't a letdown/anticlimactic, so I'm kind of used to not to look forward to the finish line.

In my case because I always keep forgetting its fucking name.

That time period where Eren just disappears without a trace in Marley for months and everyone just goes back to Paradis and sit it out until Eren sends them a letter is so fucking weird and out of character to me
How the fuck was Mikasa okay with that?

Unlike Eren, Lelouch at least has convincing reasons and build up for Zero Requiem.

1) Over the series Lelouch transforms from cynic to an optimist willing believe that given the chance, humans are willing to put aside their differences and create better future together.This is the point of contention between him and Charles and Schneizel who favor past and present respectively. Charles' ideal world is static existence where humanity is merged together whereas Schneizel is too afraid to risk future being better than the present status quo. Lelouch himself admits to Suzaku that Requiem is a gamble, albeit one he has stacked in his favor.

2) Although on the screen only atrocities Lelouch commits as Demon Emperor is "killing anyone who criticizes him along with their family", he probably needed to nuke multiple locations to both reduce threats against his reign and to build up sufficient hatred against himself. Having common point of hatred is powerful uniting factor for humans, especially when its combined with shared object of worship (Zero).

3) Zero is perfectly setup as Savior/God for people's faith in contrast to Lelouch's Devil, and while that kind of identity cannot be understated, he also has legal backing. People who shit on Requiem forget that Zero was legally the Supreme Commander of the Black Knights which would be the only recognized military of the UFN in post-Requiem world. Similarly, Zero being Nunnally's "bodyguard" while defacto holding her hostage in the eyes of the world and Geassed Schneizel are there to both keep Brits in line and to allow Suzaku access to someone who can actually administer the system and be 100% loyal.

4) Lelouch blowing up Mt. Fuji erased significant chunk of Japan and thus world's Sakuradite supply, making Japan less attractive and expediting the transition for other energy sources.

Zero Requiem is by no means perfect, but it makes perfect sense in-universe and its status as gamble was never in question

In contrast, Eren's half-hearted rumbling just falls flat: it does not align with his characterization for freedom at all: Eren's friends remain slaves to his whims and Eren himself remains shackled to future he saw and was unable to change, being complete slaves.

World Eren leaves behind is similarly just as fucked with humanity 80% genocided and both convinced and justified in their belief that Eldians and Paradis alike need to be genocided in return.

Eren accomplishes nothing apart from dooming his friends, country and race with no attempts to stack the deck in favor of Armin & co. managing to unfuck the mess he made.

tl;dr: Isayama is hack, Eren is retarded and comparing Eren's half-hearted rumbling to Zero Requiem is insultingly which is hilarious since somehow meme anime like Code Geass managed to have more serious & believable setup for its ending

Was the ending of Death Note bad?

the ending itself wasn't bad but the execution was very iffy, it would've been much better if either L didn't die and caught Kira or the FBI did after his death.
Near was a terrible character, he was basically L but without the personal affection for Light that clouded his judgement

Don't think about it too much. We basically have no information about that 6-10 months period

I supposed that was the manga anon talked about, wasn't really self-censoring anything

lots of little niis

yeah, the exeuction was not great
I don't think many people have an issue with Light losing in principle. I don't have an issue with him losing, but the one trick that finally catches him is.... really dumb. The ole switcheroo, that's what defeats this guy? Underwhelming does not even describe it and it simply pales in comparison to the tricks that killed L or ones that previously put pressure on Light.

Exactly

I'll be honest, I don't think Eren even realized she was going for the kiss - hell, I don't even think *mikasa* realized she was going for the kiss, she was acting purely on emotion and instinct. And I say this as someone who used to like EM quite a lot (I gradually lost interest after the timeskip though the "What am I to you" moment does make me feel something still)

WHICH CHARACTER DID ISAYAMA RUIN THE MOST POWER RANKINGS

1. Historia
2. Eren
3. Ymir

<gap>

4. Armin
5. Levi
6. Mikasa

Honorable mention: Zeke (who didn't have much of a character but we were lead to believe he's this brilliant chessmaster and then he's just a fucking retard)

Hanji as well, completely stripped of her personality intelligence and strengths to twiddle her thumbs on the side in the final third of the story

Maybe Annie too but she'd been on the wayside for so long that her doomed relationship with Armin is probably the least of her problems

sea is a central plot point of your series

no UMI DA chapter with girls in swimsuits

he really was a hack all along

UMI DA would have forced MANkasa to walk around in bikini and no Isayama correctly predicted that his readers didn't want to see that

Annie would have looked best.

you now remember AnR

god I honestly still get so mad when I think about how little the narrative addressed the fundamental evilness of marley
we really needed more people telling marley characters that they are fucking monsters

worst offender of course the time when the story frames jean being angry at magath for sending titans to attack paradis and magath being angry at jean for being born as equally valid concerns

implying they aren't

devils shouldn't exist

humans are the real devils yknow

Yes, the beginning, middle, and ending were all really that bad.

Littlenii and her sandwich are cute

eren why did you want to destroy the world

"I dunno lol"

unbelievable to this day

otp

Cute hisu

I think that anon likes Annie

She's perfect.

ISAYAMAAAAAAAAAAA

based anniechad

Very cute

I've got to go.
Annie is the best and anyone that disagrees is wrong.

how come the titan who ate eren in trost didnt become the attack titan?

Homie didn't chew

See ya

eren has the ability to genetically alter his entire race

decides to destroy the world instead of creating catgirls, perfect femboys or futas

could have turned the global opinion on paradis and eldians around instantly if they were the only source of real life anime waifus

Everything goes the same until the worm reveals itself

This was all Erin's plan to kill the worm and free humanity from the titan curse

Reiner sacrifices himself to kill the worm

Titan curse gone

Erin lives out the rest of his days and knocks up Mikasa

Gaby dies alone and is forgotten by history

still shit
but better

Anyone got any fic recs without ships? I'd prefer either canon-compliant ones that take place pre-timeskip, or completely different AU ones (like a modern AU). Here's some I like:

archiveofourown.org/works/910599

archiveofourown.org/works/6175159/chapters/14148307

web.archive.org/web/20150609065911/http://archiveofourown.org/works/1363585

His initial plan was a ending like The Mist

That being? not familiar with Stephen King

Nta but in the movie basically at the end the protag shoots his entire family (as they ask him to) to avoid the fate of being tortured and killed brutally by a horde of insectoid monsters approaching them, then just as he's about to kill himself too, the fog reveals that it's actually a rescue team coming to save them as they've successfully exterminated the monsters attacking them. The guy's the only survivor, all his loved ones are dead, and he screams in agony.

I'm assuming in the Snk version the guy would be Eren and everyone else would die(?). Though it could also be Armin knowing Isayama's fetish for him

Anniefag kept the thread alive while I was away

Based?

Yes, absolutely.

Eren even indicated he wanted to fuck Mikasa once in the entire manga, that why EH was always shilled because that was the only female Eren looked like he was getting close to to.
Ignoring the ship cringe, Eren not completely exterminating non Walldians cost his country decades into the future as we see in the second epilogue