Why were people so against the final villain of 02 being a familiar one...

Oikawa is a human

A human being the final boss and being a bigger menace than digimons would make for a nice spin on the first show. It's even (I think) proper for a lower-scale conflict, accelerated by a physically weaker but smarter and more ruthless villain, to be the ending of ana rc following a huge world-scale battle against a world ending monster (kinda like Sensui arc was shaping out to be in YYH, before it was revealed that Sensui himself was that strong). He could fight digimon with technology of some sort, we had non-digimon entities flooring digimon since.
Daemon could've been more connected to the plot in later episodes, as could Dagomon, they could either serve as main villain with minimal prep, and it would've made more sense than just leaving Dagomon lying around unsolved like they did.
Isn't it? There are times when it isn't, but the first 3 shows did a very good job at keeping both of these themes.

They kind of did that in savers

Everything in 02 was such a mess that Daemon being the villain wouldn't have been an issue in my view.

this was our somehow Palpatine Returned
they could have used the dark ocean and deamon

Which ended up being way better than it's usually given credit for. While I love that particular Agumon line, I kinda wish Masaru had his own original digimon, if only so people could see Savers as it's own thing and not a nostalgia cashgrab. I feel like not enough people give Savers a chance.

Maybe if they had somehow tied him to the Dark Ocean and stuff. Even if they had to retcon his origin from an Apocalymon derived being into a DO entity that managed to enter the Digital World because of Apocalymon distorting the dimensional barriers or whatnot.

These guys fucking sucked so I can see why they went back and turned their best villain into the overarching main antagonist of adventure

Tri

lol no

sucked

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Bro, are you on crack? They were among the best anime villains of their decade.

>Daisuke sucks

Yolei and Cody was worst than Davis.

That's what I meant by "forgettable", Daisuke was just more directly annoying.

Not as annoying as Yolei and Cody.
In fact, Cody is definitely the worst Digidestined in the entire franchise.

I may need a refresher, what did you think was so annoying about him? I can't picture him being worst than Mei.

Horrible take, then again you're a dubfag

Somehow Myotismon returned

The villain escalation of 02 was always underwhelming after they defeated the Kaiser.

digimon peaked here.

It was going to be Daemon or Dragomon who were introduced previously
Though they pretty much did it in Tamers and Frontier with the D-reaper and Lucemon respectively

Is this irony? Adventure ended in episode 39, the rest was a trainwreck

The entirety of Adventure was great, I'm sorry your contrarian ass can't appreciate it.

You're a hypocrite lmao

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To be fair here, arcs in Adventure were written one at a time as they approached them. When they started with the idea that Devimon would be an overarching antagonist to the first cour, they didn't have Etemon planned for the second, Vamdemon the third, Piedmon the fourth, and Apocalymon as the ultimate antagonist. Each arc feels like a vacuum with its own self-contained goal that was not foreshadowed before, and the whole "Apocalymon was the source of the distortions!" line doesn't hold any weight because they just keep moving the goalposts and it could be anything. Apocalymon himself is more of a thematic enemy than a character too, so I wouldn't rank him as highly as the four arc antagonists.

Now for 02, the pacing is pretty different. The Digimon Kaiser arc alone lasts 21 episodes, which roughly corresponds to the first two cours of Adventure. The rest of the series is about the fallout, reparations, and antagonists with ties to the Digimon Kaiser. There are logical threads to follow, like traditional evolution becoming possible, the full introduction of Jogress as a concept, a greater focus on teamwork and Ken's redemption, the expanding number of Chosen Children, and the forces of darkness making their move to finish what the Kaiser started. It didn't need to be BelialVamdemon, it probably was because he was the only arc boss Digimon to have extensive contact with humans and they wanted a human antagonist too. He's more or less a generic maou-type character instead of his suave regular self, sobit would have been just as effective to make an original character like Apocalymon.

No, I don't think using Demon instead would have worked. He was always intended to be an advertisement for V-Tamer, they called dibs 3 years before when they created him and set him up as their maou-type character.

It's kind of a insult to myotismon
just shoehorn him in because you didn't want to use your writer's idea and didn't have any of your own

But the one new villain per arc of Adventure worked a lot more, there's just no need to recycle old villains in any regard.

You are soulless

when you put it that way zero two feels more coherent than adventure

It didn't need to be BelialVamdemon

I think he's a good parallel to Oikawa, when you really think about it they were after the same thing and it sorts of foreshadows that vamdemon is behind it all
Oikawa couldn't go to the digital world through normal means so he spent most of the series trying to damage the balance of digital world in other to create a passage between it and the human world.....vamdemon's goal has always been to merge both worlds into one

I agree, the arc villains of Adventure had strong personalities, though I would argue Piemon struggles a bit more because of the Dark Masters. Pinochimon gets a ton of spotlight but obviously can't be the main bad guy, MetalSeadramon and Mugendramon are just standard evil generals with 2 dedicated episodes each, and Piemon is their leader and rounds out the end. He's solid, but you get the feeling that the time spent on the others could have been used towards him and a recurring lackey, like Vamdemon with PicoDevimon.

I don't know if coherent is the right word. I think it was more ambitious, certainly. Even though each arc of Adventure is so separated from the other, it also allows each arc to feel focused and work as its own story, complete with cliffhanger hooks. On the whole however, it makes Adventure look disjointed and like it's chasing a moving goalpost until it arbitrarily ends.

02 had a lot of really great ideas, but I think its weakness is in its lack of structure. There were still things being written from arc to arc like in Adventure, but it creates an actually disjointed feeling. For example "We can't evolve to Perfect even with the Dark Towers gone because we have up our Crests" is said in episode 27. There was no mention of this prior, and it feels cheap like a way to artificially raise the stakes. What makes it worse is that Angewomon is shown in the opening and first ending (to fit the "humanoid/beast" evolution patterns for everyone), appeared in the Konaka episode without anyone commenting, and appeared in the third movie and even FURTHER EVOLVED to Holydramon with nobody dwelling on it. So the sudden "Oh yeah, can't do that" feels messy.

Also Kakudou was also notorious for trying to accommodate stuff he wasn't involved with like the movies, and this ended up extending to the Tag Tamers game with Ken's backstory with Ryo. This was to explain his Dark Seed, but I think Millenniumon being treated as the source of that weakens the strength of the anime's narrative even if it's meant to strengthen the connection and validity of ancillary material. It should have been Oikawa who planted it in the hopes of that single seed fostering into something that could create more and spread. You can even still have the Tag Tamers flashback with Ken and Ryo defeating Millenniumon as Ken reminisces on his initial time spent in the Digital World, but have a later flashback from Oikawa's perspective where he has Archnemon or Mummymon harvest leftover data from the area for him that he uses on Ken.

I've always described 02 as a case of having too many cooks in the kitchen. They can all be good cooks and be making good meals, but they're not always in sync with one another or collaborating to create a unified cohesive meal, and sometimes what one does messes another up. I like the Konaka episode, but he definitely feels like a guest director. The characterization is kinda wonky, along with the prior Angewomon thing.

too many cooks

Definitely. I'm thankful the Konaka ep spurred the franchise to spawn Tamers later on, but 02 does feel way more like brainless MOTW than Adventure due to not being as well connected. It actually feels like the mismatched arcs in Adventure worked better in tandem due to being able to raise the stakes progressively. 02's powercreep feels, at times, like sentai, where each character's powers are largely dictated by the minute count.