You wouldn't lose to him in a children's game, would you?
BLEACH
Lillebros...I'm scared...
Nah, I'd win.
So you all agree last episode of this cour will be literally this, right?
Correct.
The only cool char in this trash ass manga.
No, the last episode of the cour will likely end on picrel.
Shunsui raped Nanao in the sizzling summer of 1893.
not a 5
Yugi, I...
I still can't rationalize how old Kenpachi is supposed to be. He has to be close to 1000 right? Seems way older than he should be. What did he do for all that time after he got fighting erectile dysfunction?
Katen Kyokotsu has a really nice sword design.
Feels like Kenny should be around Shunsui & Ukitake's age.
Imagine being Orishitme faggot LMAO
He's from the same generation as Kyoraku, if not slightly younger but not by much. Honestly it was hinted in the manga since Unohana found him when she was Yachiru, but the anime has cleared it a bit more by showing more of the timeline in original flashbacks.
About what he was doing all this time, well, he was just getting into fights and killing randos foolish enough to challenge him.
Beat 6 Hollows
Beat Ebern
Beat Quilge
Beat Shaz Domino
Beat the Bambies (Candice, Liltotto, Meninas, Giselle)
Beat Yhwach without A
Beat SK Yhwach
TYBW Ichigo? 15 wins and only 5 losses.
Beat
None of those opponents were beaten by Ichigo.
Cope below.
his back must hurt from having to carry Ichigo through all the important fights
Aizen had the most important win- Ichigo's trust.
I remember one of the cour 3 trailers ended with a Yhwach & Haschwalth double poem so I would not be surprised at all if this was where the cour ended.
Ichigo is Naruto
blonde retards
consistently gets pulled out by his genes or special powers
everyone hates him at the beginning, now everyone sucks his jesus cock
literally knows only 1 maybe 2 attacks
monster titty waif
destined to defeat the final boss, yadayada
Ichigo is smarter, outside of the Ulq fight
Yes, they're both special princesses with all the powers
Nobody hates Ichigo
Naruto knows way more than Ichigo
I guess
Ichigo wasn't really destined to do anything aside from kill the soul king
BEAST!
I like this guy
still seething
she carried the Full Bringer arc
We know, Yachiru.
I miss when Rukia had personality
The whole arc was boring as shit so not really.
I genuinely dislike Ichigo's bankai redesign and basically almost all of his fights in the last arc. I hated his fight with Yhwach.
And to top it all off, it's an "immature version" of his new bankai so we are back to the old bullshit of him not being at 100% power still, even as the series ends.
Can Hell arc just get here already?
Orihime and her bulls!
True.
Shunsui and Urahara are my favorite Bleach characters. What does this say about me?
He'll somehow job to Yamamoto in the hell arc
When did she stop having one?
I liked his fights with Quilge and Uryu.
not as much in this arc but I appreciate this moment nevertheless
Gigi? KILLING SHITwach and TWERKING on his corpse.
...at jobbing.
Gig has negative ass. He can't twerk for shit.
how come you never do Kenpachi's jobathon? I asked like 10 times
mfw my aunt and cousin are zanpakuto spirits
totally false
Do NOT be discouraged by these sinful shinigami trick LBG nation.
I genuinely dislike Ichigo's bankai redesign
Everyone does. It looks like pure shit. Even worse his bankai doesn't give him a cool outfit anymore and we're stuck with looking at his shitty oken clothes.
it is on canny, they have to know about the LTG memes
Gig has negative ass. She can't twerk for shit.
And your uncle playfully pervs on you.
Nanao has a confusing life.
Mayuri is trans!
Pepe ate THAT?!
sexsa zangetsu
yes, he is very much transhumanist
hear some Shinigami called Kyoraku talking SHIT
Sternritters could you ban that ass for me
Askinsisters, we're still hanging on by a thread
...and Ishida, and Toshiro, and plenty of shinigami zombies, and plenty of soldats, and Bejita.
The RUGGING will happen.
MODninas, crush his skull
Cour 4 will be fun.
It'll be vs Ichigo round 2 where that four-eyed faggot will get his head caved in.
I love this rockabilly bastard so much
Was already cut.
I miss the black katana. What was kubo thinking replacing it with that turd?
just wants to drink a hot cup of coffee
two thugs keep bothering him
STOP BULLYING HIM
Was [lies]
I'm rated #1 Blowjob Whore on the Sternritter rankings!
Gigi...
Horn Of Salvation was his only bad design, why did he do that?
Mugetsu mogs so hard it's even funny
technically Askin did nothing wrong, he just defended himself
Alright anons, since we know that this cour is gonna be 14 eps, there's an extra ep even if each fight got stretched to 2 eps. So what do you guys think will be final one be about?
extended flashback to the Quincy kingdom or SK history
Ichigo vs. Uryu round 2
setting up Askin and Gerard's fights
actual fight between Yhwach vs. Gigi and Liltotto
just stretching scenes/moving stuff around so like it'll end with lots of cliffhangers from the end of the earlier fights like Toshiro and co recovering, cyborg zombie Kira and Almighty Haschwalth
some other new fight
No way Uryu is defeated before he faces Haschwalth.
Chad never got super-regeneration like a hollow
the Jobzard only break out their masks and ceros for the final battle
man....
I really hope we get some flashback time for Pernida and Birdbrain. I'd definitely take more extended lore for the flashback as well.
1 is what I hope for
3 and 5 is the most realistic
anything but 4 is good in my eyes though
A game where he only tells me the rules after he gets a cheap shot in
since we know that this cour is gonna be 14 eps
Proof? Evidence? Documentation?
Kenpachi is my favorite
I can't stop fucking my zanpakuto
What would his goal even be after he won? Would he even be worse than the current soul king? I feel like only half of the moral grayness of the plot is intentional and the other half if Kubo being retarded
cope and seethe
Ruki/a/ reigns
Kenpachi brute strength fights are the best.
People said cour 2 would be 14 eps too.
Uryu will donut her soon
They are retards
true
Honestly? it could be 2 since there is suppose to be more fights scenes but 1 would be cool as well
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
Parnkgjas.
Rukia's child with Renji has got to be the ultimate jobber. I can't even imagine Ichika winning
goddamn even ichigo put up a better fight than renjobber
Will we see him in this cour?
Yeah, sure. Whatever
nah, not really but Renji getting microwaved is much funnier
Kind of off topic from the Quincy stuff, but I had some questions about the arrancars. Are they one individual spirit, or are they more like an amalgamation of all the souls from the Menos?
Also does killing an arrancar release all the souls that went into it or just the main personality?
Renjobb couldn't deflect those arrows unlike Ichigo, like they both lost but fuck Renji really took the L.
extended flashback to the Quincy kingdom or SK history
Possible since Bazz-B vs Jugram will be the end of the season.
Ichigo vs. Uryu round 2
Possibly but I'm not getting my hopes up.
setting up Askin and Gerard's fights
Highly possible.
actual fight between Yhwach vs. Gigi and Liltotto
Given how much Kubo loves the Bambies and that Liltotto and Gigi have expressed their desire to fight Yhwach in the anime I can see it happening, but I only expect it to last a few minutes at much.
just stretching scenes/moving stuff around so like it'll end with lots of cliffhangers from the end of the earlier fights like Toshiro and co recovering, cyborg zombie Kira and Almighty Haschwalth
Same than with the Askin/Gerard stuff.
some other new fight
Same as with Ichigo vs Uryu R2.
So do you think Chad and Ganja will get to do anything of significance or will their little thing against Ywach and the StuntsWaffles be all they get?
Conglomerate of souls that has been suppressed by the strongest.
Don't worry. We'll get the ichiruki tag team fight against yhwach. Trust the plan.
It depends. Do people working on the anime like Chad and Ganju?
Any Hollow can be an Arrancar, you just have to remove their masks (see Grand Fisher who was a regular Hollow and not a Menos). However Menos make more efficient Arrancar because they're stronger and can control their power more efficiently. A Menos is a Hollow composed of many souls with one dominant soul among the soul vortex.
How many Ichigos would it take to beat Gojo? Keep in mind that Gojo's cursed energy efficiency means he effectively would have infinite reiatsu in Bleach.
Will they give Ichigo's bankai an actual ability or is it still going to be Getsugatensho-est
Renji was humilliated as soon as Uryu went Voll+Sklav.
Against Ichigo Uryu went Voll+Sklav since the beginning, though none of them went all out against each other.
famous last words
The funny thing is that Bleach has Jojo/HxH like power levels where you're supposed to out-bullshit and mentally outplay your opponent but all the characters think they are in Dragonball which is why Ichigo keeps jobbing no matter how much he upgrades his Getsuga. The Soul Society is nothing without Aizen and Maiyuri
It's looking more like the people who were shot by lillie will stay down for the rest of the arc. No one seemingly went back for them, they all pressed forward. Can't complain. Plus there was that interview that said a lot of characters will have their final appearance in this cour before the ending.
Kubo is a storyteller and visual artist, not a mathematician, don't think about the numbers too much. If anything Kubo being Kubo he probably did the Yachiru-Unohana character merge to make his editor lose some hairs.
For an anime about killing evil ghosts who kill people and eat their souls it's weird how the hollows have no meaningful lore (besides being enslaved on aizen's plantation), no motivations and become basically irrelevant as the guys who want to kill the hollows (like the gotei, aizen, the quincies etc.) all become the primary antagonists of each arc instead. Effectively pitting the ghost-killers against each other over what is the best method for killing ghosts.
2bqh Bleach would have been better if Kubo's longterm plot was more like, I don't know, that filler arc about the soul vampires infiltrating human society. Like Hollows who become powerful and pretend to be humans to make more hollows going all the way to the top of the school, or something.
Or at least if we got some hollow loredump that makes them relevant to literally anything beyond getting their shit kicked in every time a new overlord decides to conquer hueco mundo.
exploded Ichibe like he Bambietta inexplicably
invisible lasered a hole in Aizen's chest like he is Lille Barro inexplicably
so I assume that Yhwach can use the shrift he given to others
Man, Renji must have moved up ranks if the standards for jobbing are now EoS Ichigo. That Ichigo would bully Kenpachi and maybe Yamamoto
Sonidoreader, please read the first arc of bleach again, but slowly this time. Also read the arrancar arc. Maybe then you will understand what hollows actually are and why they act the way they do.
And by the way, Bleach is about death.
Bankai Kenpachi dumpsters SHITchigo
What even is this shikai? It's better than a lot of the other bankais we've seen
The problem is that they aren't a threat at all because of power-level escalation and rubber banding. They're also not particularly interesting compared to the human(oid) antagonists.
Everyone sane likes it and loves the oken clothes, you nostaltards need to fuck off
I want a Sternritter slice of life comedy.
No.
Well yeah that's what it takes to be Captain Commander level. Your Shikai being better than most Bankai seems mandatory
any band names for this duo?
That's like saying what's up with Yamamoto's Shikai.
Hell arc is here. You're living it.
What is even the point of a Bankai like this when Mayuri can preform complicated nerve surgery with one hand.
The oversized Sashimi knife without handle was better.
Rukia will steal Uryuu's thunder and get the final hit on Yuch Hee Haa Baag.
Bleach is about death.
Desu.
Everyone sane likes it and loves the oken clothes, you nostaltards need to fuck off
I wonder if post-TYBW Ichigo occasionally visits Kenpachi and has a sparring match with him just for fun
shit tier zanpakuto:
lots of tiny projectiles
summoning something to fight for you
controlling elements (b-but yamamoto. he's the exception)
firing any sort of energy beam
zangetsu
What is even the point of a Bankai like this when Mayuri can preform complicated nerve surgery with one hand.
It's good for more than just bodies.
Mayuri is a better scientist, yes.
I miss the black katana
Same. It's crazy how all Ichigo's outfits post FKT looked like shit. Kubo went back to Ichigo's normal shikai look in the Hell oneshot, so hopefully his old bankai look comes back too, or he designs a better one.
I thought it was a dream that you were showing me…
absolute trash tier zanpaktou
a bendy spear
No, Bambietta Schrift doesn't make people explode like Ichibe did, they just become energy bombs and make genuine explosions. And the Schrift powers aren't really given by Yhwach, he only gives you a letter and epitet, but the power is yours, Yhwach just unlocked it if you needed it (Gerard for example didn't need an unlock).
Can't Fuck Your Own Wife
or Unconsummated
Unlike Yamamoto, Shunsui's shikai can job hard. It can give him no abilities if it wants or just dogshit abilities. It's a wild car so that evens things
Anyone save the leaks?
I like Kaien's trident, it's one of the nicer Shikai in the series.
Are you retarded?
His FB Bankside’s arguably looks better than his regular one. The Yhwach fight in the anime really made me appreciate it more
Only the sword looks better.
It'll be vs Ichigo round 2 where that four-eyed faggot will get his head caved in.
Ichifags still in your feeling that the Successor kicked your rug ass?
His look when the X’s were damaged was the best
controlling elements
shit tier zanpakuto
Retard moment
His look when the most of the ugly shit on his FB bankai are gone was the best
Well yeah
rug
Rug? Oh right, the thing that was cut, kek.
All of these guys? Will job to Kenpachi.
Yeah. It's kinda balanced all things considered.
Agreed. Fullbring Bankai feels like a natural upgrade from his false Bankai fit. I wish Ichigo would have retained the sleekier outfit in his true Bankai.
Imo the coolest Shikai. Tridents are just badass.
Rate my shikai
My Quincy wife
Made for Big Hollow Cock!
Grimmcel is actually Ichiruki poster
lol knew it
No fuck you
Twintails
Based. We desperately need a Quincy girl with twintails.
If Bambietta gets controlled with Gigi's blood, what happens when he injects her with his cum?
Hollows are degenerated, lost souls. Organizing into a great threat on their own is fundamentally beyond them.
Hollows can turn into really cute/hot girls and that’s what really matters.
B-The Based
What does it do?
Whe did you become a Shinigami, Starrk?
Impregnate Gigi
makes the Bambies birth your children
Just started s2 again and what a fucking masterpiece s1 was btw. But the "last 9 days of humanity" was such a wasted chance to do an actual war with marching fronts and phases to it, it ended up becoming just another duel arc.
But the first episode makes such a big deal about how in 9 days Yhwach will conquer the world yet it all happens in the same day iirc. It could have been done much better.
Everyone likes him. You can tell that Kubo has a lot of fun with the character. He's even gone on record saying that he reread Zaraki's fight scenes in the novel, "Spirits are Forever with You" several times. Zaraki, Aizen and Urahara could easily carry the series if Ichigo retired after Hell Arc.
Has Askin turned Ichigo to a rug yet?
Ichigo is never retiring. Him and his loved ones will all just go to the soul society and continue living there.
Soon.
Silly me, Kubo answered that in a Q&A. Guess I need to read all 700+
Emphasis on the if, it's unlikely but Bleach's supporting cast is so based that they can carry the series.
Why doesn't bleach have any cerebral elements? I fully understand what's going on with zero effort, and that's a bad sign.
If Soul Reapers are protectors then why do so many of them manifest Bankai that are just indiscriminate mass murder machines? How does it help protect the human world to have a Bankai that forces everyone around you to commit suicide?
see Grand Fisher
Holy shit, I apparently completely memory holed that shit because him being an arrancar just confused the fuck out of me.
Bankai is an extension of you and people have violent monkey brains when you get down to it
There should have been more psychic related shikai's and banki's.
It's like he's a well intentioned psychopath. The only things we can hold against him are evil traits in his personality like laughing like a maniac stabbing his own allies and specifically wanting to kill Ichigo's friends and impale them on the city outskirts to anger Ichigo, as apparently even after he won, he planned to "devour Ichigo" out of disappointment it seemed, although once his Ichigo experiment DOES succeed and he becomes godlike in Dangai mode then Aizen is fucking angry, so what gives? That's what he was asking for, reminds me of Cell vs Gohan.
But otherwise he doesn't kill Captains and he wants them to see the new world he'll create. Aizen is also far too educated and philosophical, I can't imagine him doing senseless murder or trying to destroy the world, if anything he has disdain for savages and would probably execute the worst of his own generals in case he had an army.
I'm not even sure he's interested in the human world, he never mentions them, so life for us probably wouldn't change. Honestly the Rukongai is so bad things can only improve for them and I imagine a true Soul King could shape it into paradise.
If you think about it, the afterlife is so shit because most of it is centralized protecting a dead God who doesn't do anything.
Go back to Anon Babble
Nigga just search the archives.
Just wait 2 weeks from now. You'll be on suicide watch.
So why were the Shibas noble status stripped from them? Just being kaien died to a hollow? Byakua did a worse crime in letter gutter trash into the families twice and that's not getting into yoroichi
THE FLATTENING DOES EXIST!!!
But what is the flattening?
Has Askin turned Ichigo to a rug yet?
No, it was cut.
Because Isshin, head of the Shiba clan, went to the world of the living and never came back, making it seem like he was abandoning the SS
Hand on her sword
Glaring daggers at Renji enjoying being complimented by an enemy
Still gonna let him plap that yukionna pussy with his big red monkey dick
shit, I just realized the only things Rukia has to look forward to in the last cour is arriving just in time to see Ichigo and Orihime defeated on the ground then sending the shippers into a rage when she doesn't say a single word to Ichigo and goes for Orihime first talks to her then Ichigo and Renji leave them behind to fight Ywach and we never see either again until the flash forward 10 years later epilogue. between having the bankai overlayed with the ending credits and having her ass censored it's been a bad series for Rukiafags
Because the only ones strong enough to make it to such places of power and respect are those who have internal psychotic tendencies or have incredibly high willpower. Bankai being a projection of one's inner world and strength means they're inevitably going to be murder machines. To begin with, zanpakuto were designed as weapons, so bankai manifesting one's internal strength of will in the form of a weapon makes sense.
bankai overlayed with the ending credits
Does the bd not fix this?
zenbon sakura is shit
Just wait 2 weeks
What will the next cope be after that?
most of it is centralized protecting a dead God who doesn't do anything
It's less centralized around protecting a dead god and more about petty dickhead nobles who created a hierarchy around their linchpin figurehead. The royal families are the real problem because they turned everything into a political charade that pretends the Soul King actually matters.
So why were the Shibas noble status stripped from them?
It was never said why.
cerebral elements
What do you mean by this? Do you mean in the context of a fight and how difficult it is to understand? Or do you mean things you have to pick up about a character or its actions that's not explicitly told to you?
Would you like to find out?
Show it to me.
Then the Shihoin clan should have been expelled before them since Yoruichi basically did the same thing.
The face of someone ready to FLATTEN (You)
Damn...
Can't, it was cut.
Heh, did my power catch you off guard? Well then let me explain my ability in depth and how to counter it, it's over I've won this battle.
The Shihoin clan was/is much more important and relevant than the Shiba clan in the SS.
Rose and Shinji are fucking idiots
And yoroichi breaking people out of prison to go live in the human world for 100 years as a slutty slutty cat is way worse.
I will, it wasn't cut.
Sternritter O - The Orifice...
Do we have any images of how it would look like?
In Shunsui's case, he kinda has to explain the rules because they are technically playing games with rules and his power wont work unless the opponent has the rules explained to them.
the two biggest jobbers of all time
kek
If the head was isshin, then why did bukkake and ganju go "muh shitnigami" fully knowing Ichigo was their cousin
#273546666
Why do you faggots always have to obnoxiously insert yourselves into every conversation to spam that fag? Fuck off
i don't see a single vizard in that image.
Is he ok
okay so how THE FUCK did he do those things?
is he not using the X-Axis here? how the hell is he doing this?
Maiyuri is considered a super genius because he explains his powers after he wins and not before.
I'd kick his ass in a game of rainbow six siege.
I want to rub bulges with gigi
EPISODE 9 : DON'T CHASE A SHADOW
EPISODE 10 : BABY, HOLD YOUR HAND 2
EPISODE 11 : DON'T CHASE A SHADOW 2
EPISODE 12 / 13 : FRIEND
Sheer reiatsu duh
Toshiro has more wins than almost anyone else in the gotei 13. His record is like 5:2 even as a zombie it became 8:3. And he's the only captain to beat 2 espada (Luppi #6 and Harribel #3).
His only losses were twice against Aizen and once without bankai.
I guess that makes sense, he is The Almighty afterall
Temperature manipulation
Controlling elements
Kek
Actually he lost to Luppi 1v1, then got him by a sneak attack whilst Luppi was fighting Matsumoto, Ikkaku and Yumichika, on top of having some of his tentacles cut off by Urahara.
Heika is so fashionable.
very nice Jill-san
Isane is a Queen
Ichika nude in the sauna.
this cope again
Not sure I'd consider spacing out to the point where your opponent needs to snap you out of it or standing around with your arms up instead of parrying qualifies as "putting up a fight." Ichigo got donuted because he was too busy BSoD-ing over Ishida to counter a slow arrow.
Ichigo's obviously a lot more powerful than Renji, but if anything his power fluctuation and big losses are proof that he's not good at controlling his power, being practical, or keeping his head in the game. Renji got his ass handed to him, but he didn't fuck around and did his duty as a Shinigami. Ichigo got lost in his own head and practically let himself get shot. Too lazy to look for it, but either Kubo's answer about Zangetsu's Hell Arc form of Horn of Salvation involved that Ichigo's internal issues still weren't fully resolved even by the final Yhwach fight resulting in one of the two being incomplete in some way.
Probably a few months after he reincarnated in the Rukongai.
...at being a useless jobber.
You think your arrow can reach me quincy?
Not if he got sent to hell that is.
She's unironically the weakest captain in the history of the soul society.
is there anyone that can defeat His Majesty in an honest 1v1?
gave it some color
jobs to an injured ryoka
Is there a chance of Shaman King situation?
Not a completely rewritten ending, but a re-release of the manga with expanded ending (and maybe reinserted new scenes and battles that we already have).
Unohana the Quincy Killer
My cock.
thanks, why are Bleach fans so chill?
Please... care about bleach...
Me.
What does it even do that even Jewhabaha fears it?
A REALLY big getsuga tensho.
Fair enough, when a Getsuga Tensho doesnt solve your problem, it just means you need a bigger one.
Yhwach and OMZ should meet.
anime exclusive flashbacks aside has never killed a single quincy, not even soldat
"quincy killer"
Summons Sasakibe behind his enemy
His dad
Mayuri. It wouldn't surprise me he got all kinds of anti-Quincy cuckery gadgets on him. Hell, he is easily holding back the hand of god.
kills her to give Kenpachi an unnecessary power up
Is Shunsui actually retarded? He's a calm and collected character with good humor and therefore looks smart to the audience but it's all a trick
missed a few spots
No, considering he can rewrite timelines where he dies to resurrect himself
The only person potentially capable of indefinitely stalling him is Aizen but even then it wouldn't be an "honest" 1v1 (he would have had to use KS before Yhwach attained the Almighty otherwise KS is just another ability Yhwach can neutralize like Ichibei's)
I had a dream i was a shinigami. And all i could do is spam getsuga tensho. No sword skill, no kido, just getsuga
can we really call Renji a loser when he gets to hit that?
Is Shunsui actually retarded?
Yes. He could've sent him to the royal palace to get training plus Ichibei could tell him his sword's name like with Renjob.
No sword skill
cope
Yeah, but i wasn't dreaming i was cuckigo. It was just me with a regular sword
The mod-soul in the gigai was simply a brainlet and didn't know what it was talking about.
I accept your concession.
Thank fucking God Lilie isn't cgi (yet). Episode looks amazing BUT I can't fucking believe they really used 8 chapters for the fucking episode. Makes me want to slam my head in the wall. Why can't it just be two episodes? No way it isn't rushed af. No way to do all of the Lilie stuff, the first game, the bankai, the discussion with his zspakutou etc in 15 mins. Been waiting for this for ten years and see no way it isn't just as rushed as Kenpachi vs Gremmy but THANK GOD Mayuri got the middle cgi finger and not Shunsui
That image makes me fucking sad, i really want Starrk to be in Hell
Kubo never thought about any of that, just like Aizen's Bankai
doing the ritual for hollow scum
Do shitnigami really?
Ichigo vs Yhwach vs Aizen will be all DBZ BROLY cgi battle. Particle sloppa everywhere, fast erratic movements you won't know who is who, everyone is a 3d model.
Keep praying and maybe one day it'll come true, sis.
git gud
I don't know about that, but Zaraki vs Gerard will be absolute kino.
Battle of the Beasts
Hero vs Hero
bejita
I have his figure and he unironically have ass
Rukia
Facebook. He could just make himself the soul king
Well when you have two characters with verse-breaking reiatsu I sure hope to see some wild particle effects (literally)
i saw the future you did that, so i destroyed your bookmark and book.
Literally one scene later Shaolong did the same thing with giving inaccurate narration that was later deboonked
And then there's Urahara who just doesn't explain shit and his enemies have to figure it out
KUBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
to be honest I think Yhwach washes him with his actual plot armor ability and the plot hates bejita
A lot of the Sternritter have a chance with their bullshit conceptual powers if Auschwalen isn't allowed.
Eventually there'd be a future in which he can't beat Gerard / it would be a miracle if blablabla, Lille is untouchable without a special sword and his power can't be tanked, and Askkin can beat anyone who doesn't oneshot him.
Gremmy is Gremmy, if fear doesn't get to him he could imagine anything happening to his majesty
That only works if you remove Almighty otherwise the abilities are just going to get obliterated off spawn like Ichigo's bankai or Ichimonji
The only thing keeping anyone (except Aizen, Ukitake, and I guess Uryu) alive was the fact that Yhwach didn't want to edit the future to just spawn a bunch of buzzsaws on their balls and instead had the courtesy to offer them "good deaths"
Shirayuki means white snow, being a temperature zanpakuto is a retcon. If bankai is an expansion of your power, she'd have snow and ice that goes absolute zero rather than just change the temperature. I guess you could argue the bankai is called hakka no togane, but that's stupid.
You don't need to concede to me again, but I accept it nonetheless.
Cold is an element
What about her.
Best arc: Can't choose between Pendulum, Soul Society, TYBW anime cour 1
Best girl: Nanao
Best boy: Ryuken
Best character: Aizen
Best OST: B13A, Battle Ignition
Best fight: Ichigo vs. Byakuya 2
Best moment: Can't choose between Tensa Zangetsu v1 (manga version), White vs. Byakuya, and Aizen tricking Yhwach
Best opening: D-tecnolife
Best ending: Monochrome
Best tits to suckle and motorboat?
Momo's
Aizen...she doesn't even have tits...
Best character: Kekzen
Stopped reading there.
Best arc: Arrancar arc
Best girl: Nel
Best boy: Grimmjow
Best character: Aizen
Best OST: Clavar La Espada
Best fight: Ichigo vs Grimmjow round 3
Best moment: When byakuya removed rukia's powers from ichigo
Best opening: I don't know
Best ending: I don't know
nemu's
Best arc: Arrancar arc
Best girl: Nel
Best boy: Ichigo
Best character: Aizen
Best OST: Clavar La Espada
Best fight: Ichigo vs Grimmjow Round 3
Best moment: When Ichigo beat the fuck out of Grimmjow
Best opening: 1
Best ending: 17
Nel's. Goat's milk is tasty and brings serenity to your soul.
She has them, but not being udders means you can get closer to her heart
found the artists page and did another one
didn't like the way the hair looked.
Where the fuck are they?
If he wasn't immediately spawn killed itn hueco Mundo, could he just walk home and be fine?
Hope you like getting paralyzed for a thousand years, constantly looping an image of Mayuri slowly dissecting you as well as getting cancer.
all of them will have a new battle in cour4
Waking somewhere
Why are the original girl captains all so fucking hot holy shit twintails PLEASE cut my cock off
Just needs a lot of prep time in the trauma ward. Literally untapped potential of unleashed power in one shockwave.
Given that Kubo reverted the design back to this in the hell arc oneshot, would indicate that this design: is the incorrect form of Zangetsu for Ichigo, but is the correct form of Zangetsu at full release for a shinigami in the context of his position in the TYBW against Ywach. Kubo answered this in the interview after the end of Bleach, but before the release of the one shot, that Ichigo could choose to go between single wield or dual wield, and the fact that he subconsciously defaults to single wield well over a decade later, pretty much seals the deal that the TYBW variant is not the real Zangetsu for Ichigo to wield. Since names and meanings are paramount in the world of Bleach, there is a distinction to be made between real Zangetsu and true Zangetsu. Throughout the story, it has always remained uncertain why Ichigo differs between other shinigami in how he wields his power, and Kubo certainly laid the ground work for the eventual Royal Guard and their significance in how Ichigo forged Zangetsu in his fight against Zaraki. The difference lies in the fact that Ichigo is not only a Shinigami, and thus the outcome of how his blade manifests and how he wields it will always break all the rules. But in the TYBW, Ichigo having picked a side of the Shinigami in the final days of a war that began generations before his birth, meant that he would have to follow the rules established by this side in how he fights and wields his power. Throughout the story, we're told time and again that captains have their powers sealed and go through immense labors and indoctrination in order to keep their immense reiatsu sealed, only to expand in full in very specific situations. Which is why bankai are always considered expansions instead of compressions.
A theory was introduced that Ichigo's bankai is a larp of Ywach's memories of Yama 1ky ago. This theory took hold, but is incorrect. Ichibei's bankai isn't an expansion type EITHER. It breaks the theory.
Literally in the next cour. Imagine them getting their own team. A suicide squad for the shinigami.
controlling elements
Wind elements are underrated.
I would love to see a wind zanpakuto deglove a motherfucker.
Ichibei's bankai is great, I love it, it's so thematic and fits perfectly into what you'd think a two-part power should be
Kenseibros…
Hisagibros…
maybe if they had actually good showings instead of jobbing to a fat mexican
It can be argued that Ichigo's bankai has no maturity cap, because he's a transcendent composed of all 3 worlds, which is the requisite to be a soul king candidate--which himself exists outside the rules of the world. As such, he also has no cap on what 100% power means. Dangai Ichigo was basically a glimpse of how ridiculous that can scale to, but there's no rule that says he can't manifest that again, and when he achieved it, he was just 17. He had not reached full maturity as a human being and in turn even achieved a sliver of the span of the life of his soul. So if this Dangai form were to resurface in his late 20s, it's power envelope would vastly extend even further than where he was against Aizen nearly a decade earlier. Ichigo's power base is shinigami which produces an infinite wellspring of power (as long as he lives) and externalizes it. Additional to that, he is part Quincy, which allows him to consume spiritons from any source, purify them, and add them into his own capacity to use. Finally, he is part hollow by birth, whose power is one of consumption and accumulation. Putting all three together means that Ichigo can essentially grow infinitely by infinitely accumulating. As such, the only real bankai that can support the way he would fight with this this representation: , which compresses that immense power to maximize it's edge while minimizing its collateral. Ichigo having an expansion type bankai would actually be catastrophically detrimental to any world he operates in, no less the human world.
So, I don't think he has reverted to <100% power. There's no such thing. His power will scale to suit his needs, which is what Zangetsu told him: "trust me, and I will give you all the power you need to defeat your opponents." Which is displayed in Decide, when Mugetsu overrules the Hogyouku's extra dimensional GOD thing rule writing ability.
Yup. it also examples why is possible and likely.
Ichibei's bankai
Why didn't Yhwach try to it steal it with the medallion?
Sennasisters...
1. Yhwach already has >ze, Arrmighty
2. He probably literally couldn't since he didn't know what it did. Yhwach could only steal Yamamoto's bankai once Yamamoto actually showed every trick it was capable of.
PS fucked the colors on the shirt when downsizing for some reason
being irrelevant somewhere else
He couldn't. The Soul King gave Ichibei the ability to know and write the names of things. At the time, Ywach had not awoken his Almighty and even if he had, it's a power that was a descendant of The Almighty the Soul King wielded. Further, Ichibei is a primordial as the Soul King himself. So for Ywach to be able to "steal" Ichimonji, he would need to become a being with conceptual power greater than the primordial. Him awakening his Almightly only made him an equal in being, though superior in pure power. Which is why Ywach just disembowels him and walks onward. It's what incidentally, allows Ichibei to call on Ichigo to say his name, to steal a massive chunk of Ichigo's power (relatively speaking to most Shinigami) to come back to life--because at the time, the first Soul King is still alive. Ywach has not killed him yet nor has he fully absorbed its power and regained ALL of The Almighty: Pernida, Gerard, Mimihagi, and SK himself.
You have to remember that the ability to name things are conceptual powers than raw power, and thus the rules of how to interdict them is different than how traditional entities of the three world fight by. Concepts can only be overwritten by those ancestral to them. Ywach's Almighty is not ancestral to Ichibei's abilities until he fully ascends into godhood.
What are some valid ships?
I wonder if they'll show more of Pernida's Vollstandig in the next episode.
Hell arc
Thousand Year Corpse War
Part Duex
Rukia's bankai is conceptual whereas Toushirou bankai is more physical. Being able to reduce something to absolute zero is infinitely more dangerous than the physical applications of ice to their logical limits. However, Toushirou potential as a shinigami is more Yama tier than Rukia, which is why his abilities are scarier. Rukia in her bankai is a glass cannon. If she doesn't normalize very slowly after using it, it will destroy her--whereas that is not the case with Toushirou.
I completely forgot Pernida even had a vollstandig.
Yhwach could only steal Yamamoto's bankai once Yamamoto actually showed every trick it was capable of.
The whole "you need to know what it does/understand it to steal it" thing was just Yama's cope. Yhwach said anyone could've stolen it, he just instructed them not to since only Yhwach could use it (even though he never does)
Source?
Have this "scientist" ever made a correct conclusion?
Ichigo if he wasn't restricted by Oetsu's asuachi and had a proper conversation with Zangetsu after he had regained his power. No contest.
Speaking of which though do we even know how stealing the bankai works in the first place?
I'm surprised he didn't do much worst to her.
Rukia's bankai is conceptual whereas Toushirou bankai is more physical
It's LITERALLY the opposite, Toshiro freezes things to a conceptual level, nullifying even their abilities, while Rukia's bankai is basically "realistic" cold in the sense she and her surroundings just drop their temperatures
restricted by Oetsu's asuachi
Cope he was stronger than ever
Source: Bleach
I swear a long time ago i saw some prediction that he would know Yhwach's main weakness which sounds pretty cool, but it's too late to change that now.
Chapter?
According to Q&A #301 by Tite Kubo on his fansite "Klub Outside", the Medallions are an application of the Sankt Altar technique used by Yhwach.
Ichigo if he wasn't restricted by Oetsu's asuachi
Cope harder dangaifag, true bankai Ichigo mogs dangai.
40yo orihime should be shown and she should be chunky like Okusan
But he wasn't. He needed to get his ass kicked by Ywach in order to wake up White in order to use Gran Rey Getsuga, when he had during Decide fully accepted all of his power, and by the definition of it, had literally become it vs simply wielding it. The story outlines this clearly. In one case, he overruled the Hogyouku to the point where it tossed in the towel, which Ywach later admitted to Aizen that killing him would be difficult because he would have to work around it to get the job done vs the end of series, where Ywach casually overruled Ichigo's power when he was no longer the physical representation of it.
Oetsu's asauchi capped him. Ichibei's training capped him. He became a true Shinigami, which across the events of the TYBW, were destined to lose against Ywach once he became a literal god. Those be the facts. Ichigo during Decide wasn't a true Shinigami. He was neither a true Quincy nor a true Hollow. He was all of those as one being, in his own category of existence, and unchecked by any rules. His power wrote the laws and everything else obeyed. He was closer to being a god then, than he is when he faces Ywach. Only a god like being can kill another god like being as its equal.
Why don't the medallions steal shikai as welli?
GrimmARCHITECT...
All of it.
Sex with Aizen
Prove it.
She can literally reject events anon. She can at any point reject all the weight she puts and slim down into being a fit bimbo like Nel and Yoruichi by simply using Shun Sun Rikka on herself.
Despite Kubo giving everyone in the later arcs JoJo-esque powers he still writes things like Dragon Ball because he usually wasn't a good enough writer to find actual loopholes around the villains powers, so it regularly defaults to "My Power Level is higher so I'm immune to you're wacky ability". To be fair he did have a fe flashes of creativity like how they defeated Barragan (which was deflated on the next page when it turned out Aizen's power level was so high he was immune to barragans ability).
a fit bimbo like Nel
I got some news for ya
which was deflated on the next page when it turned out Aizen's power level was so high he was immune to barragans ability
I thought Barragan literally just fell apart and died before the axe even had the chance to reach Aizen
We don't know if they can steal Shikai or not, but since using the medallion blocks Vollstandig maybe it's not worth it to lose access to that form just for a shitty Shikai.
Could also be related to how Bleach shows that "your own power" can't really be lost no matter what (see both the beginning and the end of the Lost Agent arc) and how Kubo said Shikai is your own power and Bankai isn't your power, but the power of the ego of your own power. So the medallions steal the zanpakuto spirits (the ego of your Shikai) and thus the Bankai, but since the Shikai is just your own basic power it can't be taken away from you.
Plus there was that interview that said a lot of characters will have their final appearance in this cour before the ending.
nyo...
Ichigo simply cannot do anything against Almighty.
That's why he had to be saved by Uryu, otherwise he would continue to get his ass handled by Yhwach.
I don't know because I made it up
Ok.
Post Hime's Himes Sloshing
The power level escalation is the real problem, because no factions actions make any sense with how weak and irrelevant Hollows ended up being. Because every group/characters motivation and social system is a reaction to how dangerous and big a threat Hollows are, only they're not, no natural Hollow is a threat to anyone with even the most basic power. First Arc Ichigo was slaughtering them by the dozen and he turned out to be weaker than everyone in Soul Society (hence he needed like 3 whole training mini-arcs across the entire Soul Society arc).
Here you go, hirenkyakureader.
true power Ichigo isn't leveling buildings with mere swings of his swords
Even full hollow Ichigo had that effect. Tybw is weakchigo
I fucking hate Shunsui, I hope this "depressed" faggot dies
Segunda etapa Ulquiorra would rape ts ichigo lmao
It's really simply not that strong
We'll never know the alternative, because Ichigo trusted someone else instead of talking to his own blade. A common pitfall for why he was always weak until Zangetsu had to intervene and set the record straight. His fight against Ywach is, ironically, no different. He never went to the source and instead relied on someone else to feed their version of propaganda to him. Ywach called him his son born in darkness, that has double meaning. He never knew his true potential and he was never taught to wield it properly. However, the outcome of Decide contradicts the outcome of TYBW. There are factual events where Ichigo faced off against a god-thing and won in the past, and then lost against another god-thing later.
Of course he was saved by Uryu, that is the logical conclusion in no longer trusting the source and trusting the very people that intended to chop him up and turn into another corpse king for "the unity of the world". All these explanations fail to address the big white elephant in the room. Why did Ichibei give Kyouraku soul tickets? Why did Kyouraku give those soul tickets to Ichigo's friends? Why did Kyouraku not clearly answer the purpose behind them and instead said "Ichigo's power could become dangerous for the world of the living" (paraphrased) instead, which Keigo found SUSPICIOUS AS FUCK. All those are indicators of Ichigo having the potential to upset the balance and instead being convinced into chaining himself willingly. Hell, his fucking bankai reflects it. When he manifests it, the chain which was broken and represented freedom and unconstrained ability, is instead from the hilt tied to the blade. It's potential is capped. He has to literally RELY ON HIS ENEMY in order to use his own power to hurt him. That's pathetic and is as clear an indicator that he became weaker than he was before, where he could face his enemies using his own power without constraint.
Even full hollow Ichigo had that effect
Show me full hollow Ichigo leveling buildings with mere swings of his sword.
Ichigo trusted someone else instead of talking to his own blade
Why do you people just make shit up all the time?
This is contradicted by Ulquiorra fight on top of Las Noches and his fight against Zangetsu in meditation to achieve Mugetsu. Those are two times where Ywach basically got pushed into a fridge and Zangetsu drove. This entire time, Ichigo continues to talk with Ywach and not Zangetsu. It is NOT THE SOURCE.
I mean I guess the last arc's Ichigo is supposed to be stronger than Dangai but it sure doesn't feel like it. All he does is job job job.
Show me full hollow Ichigo leveling buildings with mere swings of his sword.
not him but the dude literally swung his sword and blew off half the roof of aizen's palace, which is the size of a mountain
Because the hollow is Zangetsu, Ywach is not, even if Ichigo considers him Zangetsu. Ichigo never talked to Zangetsu after he regained his power. He talked to and trusted literally everybody else BUT Zangetsu. That's the fucking point.
This is contradicted by Ulquiorra fight on top of Las Noches and his fight against Zangetsu in meditation to achieve Mugetsu
No it isn't.
It sure is faggot. In both those cases, Ywach was unable to suppress anything. He was NOT the dominant power. Ichigo talking to Ywach during Oetsu's asauchi forging is once again, not talking TO the DOMINANT power. His asauchi literally manifests as a hollowed mask version of himself and the first thing he does is goes and talks to the one dude in his soul that's been lying to him the entire time. For fucks sake. You're genuinely retarded if you can't read between the lines.
this is "half the roof"
meds NOW
Granted this was the only fight that form saw
I guess the anime scaled it up
But anything that causes that much damage from air pressure alone that would've 100% leveled a building
It sure is
No it's not.
Ywach was unable to suppress anything
OMZ told you what Ichigo has been using "until now" was just a fraction of his power. You lost.
But enough about boring powerscaling shit.
Let's discuss literally anything else.
What're we even arguing about
Ichigo in TYBW is a jobber and a faggot and a rug
yhwach killed himself lmao
no building leveled
Yup, cause it didn't happen.
To be fair, Shikai were originally supposed to be pretty basic and were usually just changing your Katana into another weapon rather than giving you any kind of Stand Power. Like Renji's in his first appearance was just kinda a whip that doesn't do any of the crazy shit it ended up doing later, Ikkaku just had a bendy spear, Gay guy just had a fan sword, Mayuri just had a poisoned blade, etc. They only started getting all these crazy abilities retroactively.
I accept your concession.
When Zangetsu takes over here, he hasn't fully manifested. We see this over the course of the fight as Ichigo goes from human hands to clawed hands with increasing tattoos across the fingers when he catches Lanzo de la Rampo and crushes it casually. But it is clear that Ywach was no longer in control there and the latent scary mountain vaporizing potential of Ichigo was overflowing into the real world.
OMZ can't be trusted. He's not Zangetsu. He's never been Zangetsu. The only person in this entire thread that's coping, is you. Ywach only ever manifests as the dominant power when Ichigo is at his weakest. The hollow manifests when Ichigo is at his strongest and closest to being hollow. This has been true the ENTIRE course of the series and for it to revert into being the opposite is absurd.
Picrel is not the an expression made by Zangetsu which indicates you've learned the truth, and instead indicates that you've bought the lie.
What's the deal with Ebern's Quincy Cross?
Ichigo in TYBW is a jobber and a faggot and a rug
True, full hollow form, and dangai would be too since they're weaker forms.
He's not Zangetsu. He's never been Zangetsu
OMZ is not Zangetsu cope again
in fairness this guy also "believed" that he could deal with Almighty before his new bankai got broken instantly
say he leveled buildings with mere swings of his sword
show a page of that literally not happening
I accept your concession
You're a funny guy.
Ichigo believing something to be true doesn't make it true. As TYBW shows that you can falsely seal a different zanpakuto under the same name with Kyouraku and Nanao's family blade which has god killing properties. Belief and reality are two divergent concepts.
no point knowing your sword's name if you cant hear it
Didn't Grimmjow just basically do a comparable thing when he was gonna challenge Ichigo before Nel interrupted? Not actually all that unique anymore.
what about it? it looks normal. Unless you mean his bow then it's probably because he's a hollow
What do you mean? It was likely given to him by Yewhabahaha.
Dangai wouldn't even register in non transcendent characters' reiatsu senses. Hollow form has hollow aids reiatsu. Leagues better than flatchigo
I mean why does it produce solid-looking metallic-looking weapon instead of one made of light?
How does this work?
Arrancars are weird. Soul Reapers can also spawn obscene amounts of metal, etc. when they activate shikai/bankai, so it's not like it's unheard of in the series.
Dangai wouldn't even register in non transcendent characters' reiatsu senses
Ok? Would still job since it's a weaker form.
Hollow form has hollow aids reiatsu
So does ever Ichigo form since he's part hollow.
Why can't Ywach with The Almighty overrule the Hogyouku but Mugetsu could?
You're the one taking it literally, the effect of sword swinging being able to change the landscape, do you lack reading compression sonidoreader? Where is tybw located mostly? In areas with densely packed buildings. Where is hueco mundo/las noches. Ichigo took aizen away from karakura because he knew he'd destroy it himself. Any non autistic understood the meaning. You just can't accept the fact he is in fact weaker
You're the one taking it literally
You were too until you were proven wrong.
but Mugetsu could
This didn't happen.
Go back to what i said. Had Ichigo been stronger, he would be leveling buildings, due to the effect the other two forms had. Iirc Ichigo in hueco mundo only swung his sword twice. Once to get it where the roof is broken and not a tiny portion either, the other to cut Ulquiorra in the air which would have no effect. How many times did ichigo swing his swords in tybw
It's also weaker because the real Zangetsu that killed Ywach is the one that Oetsu didn't forge, because Ywach saw it in a dream via The Almighty itself, which supersedes Ichibei and Oetsu and everything they represent. This means, the original Zangetsu and everything IT represents is the true power of Ichigo and the Zangetsu Ichigo wields against Ywach during the TYBW is a weaker variant.
Kubo literally wrote it here. He even draws Ichigo in the form unlike that of the TYBW, unlike what he becomes under the control of the royal guard. There is no more proof that Ichigo is weaker in TYBW than he is before it than this. The Almighty is literal god power and IT says that the ORIGINAL Zangetsu is the ONLY THING that can kill Ywach even with his Almighty active and with partial manifestation of the Soul King's powers.
Because he's an arrancar I guess. My headcanon assumption is that since he doesn't have a sword to release anymore from becoming a quincy his hollow powers manifest in the bow instead
Mugetsu caused the hogyoku to reject aizen as it's master for a second. Yhwach couldn't "lmao i negated your hogyoku" instead opting to gloat about kyouka suigetsu breaking
hashbrown... oreo...
Mugetsu caused the hogyoku to reject aizen as it's master for a second
Aizen did that.
Go back to what i said
k
true power Ichigo isn't leveling buildings with mere swings of his swords
Even full hollow Ichigo had that effect.
And then there's THIS. Where Ywach literally says:
One of these swords is the REAL Zangetsu
only that can defeat me
if you want me to submit myself to you
you must find it before I KILL YOU
Which is what the fight at the end of the series represents. Ichigo does not wield the real Zangetsu in his fight against Ywach. He therefore FAILS and is defeated, his blade destroyed and power drained, essentially KILLING his ability to do anything. Kubo foreshadowed the conclusion of the TYBW when Ichigo learned bankai for the first time. Anything else is cope.
the almighty isn't active during that scene that was the whole point of the plot arrow
the real Zangetsu that killed Ywach is the one that Oetsu didn't forge
That's just Ichigo's true bankai without the white part (sheath) over it.
And you cannot understand unless had originally said the effect of sword swing pressure? Are you also autistic enough to say OMZ isn't Zangetsu?
I under that what you said was wrong and now you're just backpedaling.
Why does his bankai's theme not seem to match his shikai's theme at all?
amazing how powerscalers are actually more obnoxious than shipfags. Grimmfag i owe you an apology
headcanon vs. headcanon
I'll just wait for the anime. Computer, pull up ecchi pictures of Katori.
But I'm correct. There's no tybw panel of Ichigo having such an effect after getting an asauchi forged Zangetsu
who the FUCK was this guy
I'll just wait for the anime
Blade is me already aired 2 years ago.
That bankai no longer exists. The Almighty erased it as a concept in permanence. Facebook's bookmark only created a condition where his blade was not broken. There's only ONE blade in existence that Ywach cannot break, Zangetsu, because its the only blade that can kill him. This specific statement is literally in quotes for emphasis. Facebook's powers allows him to know the exact nature of what he interacts. Seeing as to how by cutting Senbonzakura, it literally created a history where he was the reason why Byakuya learned bankai in the first place. Facebook didn't say "your Tensa Zangetsu has not been broken." As that would imply the actual bankai which Ywach erased was reverted, which in fact did not occur.
And the final nail in this coffin of argument is why 10 years later, during the events of the Hell Arc one shot, Ichigo does not wield dual wielded versions of Zangetsu and why his blade looks like it does before it was "reforged", and the reason for that is simple. Ichigo was wielding himself the entire time in and up to the conclusion of his fight with Aizen. When Ichigo lost all his power, that manifestation of Zangetsu disappeared because he was the blade as pure in form as he could be. It's for that very reason he could become Getsuga and use Mugetsu--and why Ichigo could not become Getsuga and use Mugetsu against Ywach even though Ywach is an infinitely greater threat than Aizen is and thus would warrant the use here more than ever before. The Zangetsu that Ichigo wields in TYBW is separated from the fact that in and up to Decide's end, Ichigo after facing off against Zaraki and losing a shell of Zangetsu that had crudely manifested, instead became Zangetsu and thus could cut through anything and destroy anything.
It is the one and only blade that was never broken--and thus its full potential remains limitless, it's chain link isn't closed.
But I'm correct
Post the building full hollow Ichigo leveled with his sword swing.
That bankai no longer exists
Yes it does.
The TYBW variant of Zangetsu is the correct form and shape of Zangetsu, because that's what is necessary to be a true Shinigami. Which is what Ichigo becomes as part of his journey in this arc, which is thematically relevant and accurate. The purpose of this representation was to outline the history and relevance of who the royal guard were and how they contributed to the foundations of soul society, which Ywach aimed to destroy. TYBW Ichigo is weaker, because he represents the very thing Ywach intends to destroy, and the blade that kills him represents the everything else, unchained from those concepts, and free to be wielded without fear of destruction.
Nope. Hell Arc design proves that it no longer exists.
fascinating, isn:t it all.
Kubo himself confirmed Ichigo absorbed the broken white parts and could pull it out again if he wanted. I think that's just a normal sealed zanpaktou and the two blades are for his shikai.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Kubo already btfo'd your headcanon years ago
Some rando in Mayuri's division that he experimented on and turned him into a sperm bomb. Mayuri is infamous for using his squad members as toys for his experiments. He's unscrupulous in being Soul Society's Dr. Melange.
But the fact that he doesn't, even subconsciously, even a full decade later would indicate otherwise. That said, Kubo's a dick when he answers questions via Klub outside, as his answers have a tendency to create plot holes in the lore of the manga or contradict established facts over the course of said series. It's annoying as fuck.
You're wrong
Post all the buildings ts ichigo demolished with a simple sword swing
Well not quite an air pressure swing really but we do have an example of TYBW Ichigo displaying air pressure when he zipped through the Bambies and blew them away from Kenpachi.
inane headcanon babble arguments
Weekend can't come soon enough.
So admit you admit full hollow Ichigo never leveled any buildings with his sword swings?
Which one was Sayafushi again?
No retard, my point is in line WITH what he said. He literally says in his very answer "the only ones without a scabbard are Sayafushi and Zangetsu." He also says "but I do not intend to return to this afterwards." Aka "I'm answering it for the sake of it, but is not written in stone." TYBW Zangetsu is the correct format wherein Ichigo is a true Shinigami. It is necessary for there to be a sword and scabbard for it to be considered true Shikai and true Bankai, so that it is bathed in the tradition of the Shinigami as beings. However, the fact that Zangetsu can exist independent of scabbards, implies that it is not the ONLY form of Zangetsu that can exist.
he can use two-sword state, but it depends on Ichigo
hell arc
10 years later
Ichigo doesn't use it
i do not intend to return to this afterwards
you massive faggot
Didn't Kenpachi already easily cut buildings from a distance with his zanpaktou in SS arc? And Ichigo already beat that kind of Kenpachi back then. I don't think that's really indicative of a big or significant jump in power.
After you admit Ichigo is weaker and your only argument is a gotcha on a minute technically like a petulant little school girl
It's kind of wild that Soul Society created an entire slave class of artificial souls that seem pretty sentient and it just fades into the background. As well as Mayuri using his own squad members as human bombs and experiments.
The blade Oetsu brought to fight Ywach's royal guard the first time around with a giant tank of liquid. It's the blade that he considers a failed zanpakuto, because its too sharp and no sheath can hold it. People get hung up on this and tend to conflate blade and zanpakuto as being the same thing, when they're two different words and don't mean the same at all. A zanpakuto cannot exist without a scabbard, but a blade can. Facebook telling Ichigo his blade has not been broken is different than saying Tensa Zangetsu (aka sword and scabbard) have not being broken are two different conclusions.
Aka "[HEADCANON]"
Crazy how when you're your proven wrong by the author himself you still want to make shit up.
SS Kenpachi did that once, and for some reason TYBW Kenpachi who is supposed to be 100 times stronger than SS Kenpachi needed to get close to Pernida to cut him.
The author answered X and then contradicted that X with Y in the hell arc. Klub outside answers aren't canonical if future story facts contradict them retard.
After you admit Ichigo is weaker
I admit full hollow Ichigo and dangai are weaker than TYBW since OMZ was suppressing his power till blade is me.
and then contradicted that X with Y in the hell arc
This didn't happen.
what're you going to do about it lol
Sure did:
kubo forgor zaraki can cut shit shit from a distance pls understand
Author words aren't canonical
bruh
I won this thread.
Anon you should know Kubo had to make Kenpachi jobbed to wank his self insert
the blade is me
Where dangai Ichigo was fused to his sword becoming one with it. Zangetsu possesed his body, literally becoming one with him.
Zaraki only jobbed in tybw his only win is against shit tier sternshitter and plot device unohana
No it didn't, again the author BTFO'd your headcanon. Nothing was contradicted.
when you cherry pick something said
you can convince yourself of any delusion you believe in
really giving Gremmy a run for his money
WaifuCHAD....
literally becoming one with him
...with Ichigo's power suppressed yes.
shit tier sternshitter
askin was shitting his pants at gremmy btw
his only win is against shit tier sternshitter and plot device unohana
Just like Ichigo
Askin rugged ichigo, your point?
Askin has no counter for Gremmy's meteor, what will he do? reduce the dose of Meteor?
rugged ichigo and is still scared of gremmy
Kek, that statement is peak comedy
Askin is afraid of attacks that can Oneshot him, Grammy's Meteor is one of them.
Looks like I missed the powerlevelfag shitflinging, but keep in mind that Ichigo was spooked by a burner finger one KEK.
so he isn't a shit tier stternshitter?
Speaking of, its also silly that TYBW Ichigo is supposed to be an equal to Ywach but jobs to Askin who's a basic bitch in comparison.
T. Mayuri
Don't you have a number 8 to groom?
i do not intend to return to this afterwards
これは詳しい描写してないしあれ以上描写つもりもないので答えますね。
While I did not describe it in detail, I don't intend to describe it any further, so I'd rather the question.
He's talking about the mechanics behind the mess Zangetsu is, not the design.
I wasn't being a smartass, I meant it literally
Who is going to stop them? Section 46? Squad 0?
While I did not describe it in detail, I don't intend to describe it any further, so I'd rather answer the question.
Sorry, I caught retardation from the thread.
Only Speedreader thinks he is low tier, we know the only reason he lost was because his opponent was Kenpachi who made him excited with the fight
urahara can somehow resist askin's poison enough to almost blitz him but ichigo who should be way stronger ends up being comatose
Yes, I know. He in that very answer says that Safayushi and Zangetsu can exist without a scabbard. The question specifically asked if Ichigo can dual wield again in the future, and Kubo realized that he was inconsistent in how he wrote the mechanics. Facebook said to Ichigo his BLADE not Zanpakuto had not been broken. Zangetsu can exist as a blade without a scabbard. Therefore, Zangetsu can exist as a form independent of dual wielding. Therefore, the blade that kills Ywach at the end can exist independent of whatever messiness occurred during TYBW. There are no contradictions in this. By Kubo specifically highlighting Safayushi and Zangetsu makes explicit that these concepts are not mutually exclusive. The unchained Tensa Zangetsu is as much real and a representation of Ichigo as the chained Tensa Zangetsu, and how it manifests is contingent on how its made. TYBW Tensa Zangetsu is A variant not THE variant.
Because it was different
Askin reduced Ichigo's Reiatsu immunity dose so he was Jobbed to his own Reiatsu, while he did it to Urahara using Poison.
why didn't he reiatsu poison urahara too?
Which is why TYBW Ichigo is weaker than Decide Ichigo. The way he is affected by power scaling makes literally no fucking sense and is so insanely inconsistent, that the only logical conclusion is that has literally reset to the bottom of the power scaling list because its a new arc and he needs to "grow" into becoming strong the way he did in the first major arc of the story, only for the TYBW story to arrest and abruptly end because Kubo fucked up his shoulder and the logical growth of the character never occurs. So the readership is left unsatisfied when Ichigo who should basically be able to roll anyone BUT Ywach, gets rolled by just about everyone including Ywach, despite having his "full power" unlocked and being trained to fully use it to its maximum potential.
And when compared to examples of how he behaved against other enemies in the first major arc, vastly contradicts his character growth and ability to wield his own power. It's garbage writing.
That's the problem though. Ichigo is a serious threat to Ywach with Almighty by this point. Askin should be so beneath him, it shouldn't matter. Ichigo getting rugged here basically says that Askin could have killed him before he even made it to Ywach and the story would have ended. He is NOT strong here. The eyes he had that Gin saw then are lost.
and Kubo realized that he was inconsistent in how he wrote the mechanics
Oh looks like we got a mind reader here
Kubo is a shit writer and you're all mindless apes for taking anything here seriously
Which is why TYBW Ichigo is weaker than Decide Ichigo
Why'd he job to Askin? Why did he fear Burner finger 1? Why'd he get pushed around by the Bambies? His full power is Ywach level, why is he such a doormat?
In a less smartass response, probably only Kyroroku, if he could be bothered to. Outside of the main few, Soul Society doesn't really seem to give a shit about the rank and file
Why'd he job to Askin?
Ichigo is Ywach level. Ywach exists far above Askin. How is a Ywach level power affected by another vastly weaker than it?
weaker both in power and spirit despite the whole mini arc finding himself
He did not kill a single bambie with his own attacks he did not use bankai and demolish everyone who stood before him.
that's all I'm saying
it's forgotten about because nobody gives enough of a shit and the people most likely to give a shit are the people least likely to have the power to do anything about it, it's not like squad 12 has the ability to swarm Mayuri in protest
brainlet rage after getting btfo by the thread
This is actually explored in the filler arcs with a lot of the villains, outlining how the rank and file of Soul Society are seen as pawns and fodder to be used by those in power or to be trampled by corruption justified by warped tradition, funnily enough.
You ignored the other parts of the question
Ichigo is Ywach level
Glad you admit he's stronger than dangai and full hollow.
weaker both in power
Read the panel again.
Powerscaling aside, that wasn't his true Bankai.
glad you admit he's stronger
That's a fascinating delusion you've concocted yourself into, seeing as to how you are unable to answer the other questions whose facts of events are in direct contradiction of what being "Ywach level" means.
I mean the system being corrupt and abusive is already established in canon. Maggot's Nest is a thing intended to make sure no shinigami can just quit or retire, same Maggot Nest also allows psychos to be freed so long as they are still under the Gotei 13. They probably don't really care what Mayuri does so long as he's still working for the sake of SS.
Speaking of facts
Read the panel again.
And? Doesn't take away the fact he didn't just curbstomp anyone. He even told the enemy to dodge his getsuga. He's a bitch, bigger than the Ichigo crying after his full bring was stolen
Forgot to add that besides experiments with Hollows/Hollofication, that's the only thing that they seem to care about, perhaps just in principle. Experiments to turn people into living bombs? Sure go ahead. Experiment to gain stronger powers by Hollofication? Death sentence.
he didn't just curbstomp anyone
So?
Where are they?
You keep defaulting to this as if its a catch all to solve your problems, but it doesn't answer a god damn thing as how all downstream events of it don't at all indicate that any of his true power has been unlocked with how frequently he loses to opponents other shinigami inferior to him, can casually destroy. Neither Urahara nor Grimmjow nor Nel are stronger than Ichigo and they handle Askin better than him. Renji is an equal to Bazz-B and handles him without issue, but Ichigo struggles when Bazz-B without even Volstandig is going to use Burner Finger One on him. Menimas is able to catch up to him and push his face into a building when he's supposed to be literally the fastest shinigami on the map, faster than Kirinji who got his wrist broken BEFORE Ichigo had even unlocked his "TRUE POWER" and was still running on fumes from the vestiges of his allegedly suppressed power.
So no, that's not an answer. You're wrong. Try again.
In the panel I posted.
as if its a catch all to solve your problems
I'm not the one denying what the manga told me.
You are though, by blindly hanging on to one particular statement that's contradicted literally by the failures of the character after the fact numerous times up until the very end of the manga.
Askin's Schrift is a hax that ignores Durability or Reiatsu Difference, yes dangai Ichigo would be affected by Askin's schrift as well, we already saw Aizen being hit by Nanana's Schrift even though the difference in Reiatsu was very large.
He wouldn't be, seeing as to how Dangai Ichigo couldn't be felt by Aizen despite having reached a level of power vastly in excess of literally anything fielded by Ywach during the course of his invasion of Soul Society. For Askin to affect Ichigo, he would have to be able to understand Ichigo's reiatsu in order to be able to mount any kind of offense against it. Perception is the key to how his power works and Dangai Ichigo negates this by transcending into a level where perception is fundamentally denied. If anything, Dangai Ichigo would be fully immune to Askin in a way where TBYW Ichigo isn't.
You are though
No I'm not.
You have yet to explain everything else that happens with Ichigo after this panel.
So?
Proving without doubt that you've conceded the argument.
Not a good look to be weaker when you're supposed to be stronger than the transcendent form you had.
You forgot Dangai Ichigo is always in Bankai Mode when fighting Aizen while Askin fights Shikai Ichigo
Because I believe the manga not your headcanon?
Not a good look to be weaker
He oneshot Yhwach.
Didn't happen. Unironically headcanon
Ok? That doesn't mean anything. Ichigo in bankai during TYBW could still be physically perceived. It's the literal weakness with deathdealing. His abilities only really work on an equal field of opposition and more importantly, he needs to be able to consume sufficiently large quantities of it, in order to be able to craft a lethal dose to use against his opponents. The problem that arises with Dangai Ichigo is that he has become extra-dimensional, and Askin's schrift does not allow him to overcome this. He would not be able to consume any reiatsu of Ichigo from the ambient atmosphere around him, because there's no perceivable reiatsu. Aizen who had evolved beyond a Shinigami into the domain of the follow could neither feel nor sense Ichigo nor his reaitsu, only observe the effects of his own attacks against Ichigo.
Dangai Ichigo is unironically an absolute hard counter to everything in the TYBW, which is likely why this never manifests. He is literally faster, stronger, infinitely more powerful, cannot be sensed, and easily overpower even attacks that warp the laws of physics in locality. Aizen used a fully incanted Kurohitsugi backed a twice evolved power based courtesy of the Hogyouku to manifest something that manipulated gravity in a raw form into an attack and Ichigo casually slapped it aside with a waive of his hand. For this very reason "hax" abilities that Sternritter have would not be affect him. This Ichigo is in a different plane of existence in the same way that you can affect the shadow of an object by interacting with it or warping it, but changing the object itself is infinitely more difficult.
No, because you've deluded yourself into thinking that one panel is a catch-all despite all subsequent events contradicting it.
all subsequent events contradicting it
Nothing contradicts it. Enemies got just stronger with him, time to get over it dangaifag.
No way fag. Dangai Ichigo is peak Ichigo.
Take your meds.
Dangai Ichigo is peak Ichigo
Not according to actual canon.
No Aizen himself is stated to be stronger than when he fought Ichigo and can still be affected by Schrift Hax so Dangai Ichigo can definitely be affected too
I have doubts, but we'll agree to disagree because of sealing factors involved with Aizen, his magnificent second throne, and the one-eyed pirate outfit of his.
See:
Concession accepted.
I have no argument
Show me the panel where Ichigo defeated Yhwach, not the "what if" future.
no argument
See?
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