Is this to be blamed for every single awful ending that comes from Japan?

Yes. Anyone can see how many stories fall apart because of the compulsive need to have a "twist" in the last third.

Why even is a twist necessary? I was told the climax is the most exciting moment of the story. The Falling Action is the fallback of the climax.

The thread is fucking reddit

Did people complain about this in old japanese books or is this a nu-Anon Babble thing?

Japan has many great endings, stop reading WSJslop

It's not that definition of "twist".

I only used "twist" because that's the shitty translation of ten used in OP's pic. It's not a "twist" in the Shyamalan sense.

Point is, "Kishotenketsu" is literally just the 3 act (actually 4 act) structure.

So what does it mean in the correct context?

The 3 act structure is bullshit, only retarded who learned about movies via cringe youtubers like yms dogfucker and ralph the shit maker talk about this shit like it is the gospel

Here an example of a movie that has nothing to do with the 3 act structure

twist deez nuts nigger

Point is, "Kishotenketsu" is literally just the 3 act

no it is not, shut the fuck up and kill yourself

maybe you should watch better anime

It seems their falling action has more importance on the narrative then the West's. Why does the diagram show a loop instead of a downward sloping line?

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It was awful from the start and you're a retard if you failed to see that

Point is, "Kishotenketsu" is literally just the 3 act (actually 4 act) structure.

So is it good?

Then how would you translate 転?

No dumbfuck, blame the fact that most of these awful endings came from works that either had no set ending or lenth in mind at the beginning, or was forced to wrap up prematurely.

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"Turn" comes close to the meaning of the word without the baggage of "twist." To relate it to the 3 act structure, it's basically the "turn" from rising action to falling action.

The endings are bad because the entire "middle" of the works are in perpetual serialisation limbo so an ending can't be properly built to or paced towards.

Is this to be blamed for every single awful ending that comes from Japan?

No, because the anime with the best ending ever follows the structure to a T.

No reay

It's mostly anime originals which have good endings. Adaptations suffer from the problems that serialized manga or LNs suffer from.

This is actually a really good example of how the structure works. The ten always comes late in the story.

Here an example of a movie that has nothing to do with the 3 act structure

Yeah and guess what, it's boring cringe.

No. There are good endings too, but you sound like you only consume long-running serialized stories. Such stories tend to meander around because the author is usually not guaranteed stable work so if he's lucky enough to have a long-running serialization he's going to milk it as long as he can. Likewise, the magazine is going to encourage him to keep a popular story going to drive readership to their magazine.

There's an abundance of non-serial fiction in Japan that follows this structure and have perfectly enjoyable resolutions.

You're given a straightened paperclip, in order to create a curve you have to twist it.

There are no bad endings, just bad anime.

yeah but the end result resembles OP's chart, with the "falling action" always being much faster than the build-up to the climax. I typed "5 act structure" into my search and this image was one of the first ones to pop up. See how the overall shape of the graph is similar to OP's? You very rarely see a story where post-climax events are given equal weight as pre-climax. Just like with sex.

. Just like with sex.

No wonder Anon Babblenons can't into writing structures

Endings are usually only good if they are planned from the outset of the story, and the story is written and paced with the ending in mind. Usually this is best achieved when a story is finished in one shot, rather than multiple volumes or installments, unless these were also written in advance and were simply published on a schedule.

The longer a story goes on, the greater the chance the writer changes their mind about the ending they originally planned on, or else forgets details they wanted to build on, and they invent new ones. This is more common than you might think.

This.

Also a huge part of the "twist" stage (again, bad translation because of the loaded nature of the word in Western media) is that it recontextualizes what was set up in the "introduction" and "development" stages. You therefore need to already have a solid grasp of what the story is as a whole including the "conclusion" in order to design the "twist" properly to tie back on the introduction and development.

Huh, "tie back" gives a better sense of what is meant by "twist," even though it's not an accurate translation of the actual word "ten."

How many fucking japanese stories end with the MC saving the world.

Your post is the dumbest I've all this week.

Most western stories(especially for media like animation/sequential arts) have garbage endings so I don't think it has anything to do with that.

No, but your daddy not pulling out of the whore you spawned from can be blamed for this shitty thread.

dumb westoid shocked as he watches his idea of movie structure crumble

get fucked idiot, 3 acts my ass.

I would argue the death of Smith is the ten

I am so smart but all I do is whining

no because it is sused to develop noriko further, the "peak" of her development is at episode 5 when they do the inazuma double kick, then the then is the entire episode 6 until the explosion

Fuck charts, I just want chaos in storytelling.

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No, it's mostly companies releasing works with only ratings/sales in mind. Even if authors have a vague idea of an ending as soon as numbers fall then it's forced to be wrapped.

the ten is the Gunbuster descending to the center of the black hole bomb.

but smith's death is when she realizes shit is fucked, and she could very well die

when she realizes shit is fucked, and she could very well die

Noriko already realizes that she has to give up everything to win when she gets into the Gunbuster. Gunbuster is a series about willingly making sacrifices.

the "ten" is not an specific fact, it is a combination of many. First they say earth has run out of material so the bomb is their final stand against the bugs, then they fail to launch the bomb, then there's noriko descending for her suicide mission

the beginning of the show is a sappy 80's training montage, she doesnt give anything up by just jumping in the cool robot.

Bad endings aren't a inherent Japanese thing and plenty of other countries/cultures struggle to tell a satisfying ending after building the story up so much. Conclusions are just inherently hard to write. As for is this plot structure the reason why there have been multiple bad anime/manga endings I don't think so. I find blaming something like a plot structure outline to be dumb since they are not absolute nor fully indictive of a stories quality. I'm sure there are plenty of good stories that follow this plot structure too. On the other hand often times people blame authors winging it, but I'm not necessarily sure that's the case. Many authors often times state the ending has been planned out well in advance and it still falls flat. Though maybe it's due to the fact they have the ending planned out but ignore the way the story reach's that conclusion which is just as important. Now I've never written a story that's not super short or has any semblance of quality so this purely poor speculation.

So much of this shit is just from "twist" being a bad translation and how the word "twist" has been poisoned in the English language.

Actual translations:
Ki 起 - rise [as in "get up," or more loosely "start"]
Shou 承 - carry [like "carry on," or more loosely "develop"]
Ten 転 - turn [the main point is that it is "changing direction toward the conclusion"]
Ketsu 結 - tie [as in "tie up," or more loosely "conclude"]

Also most terrible stories are terrible due to a lack of structure.

No, its the fact that series are rarely allowed to end organically.
They're either forced to continue because its printing money or its axed and given the ol' "Ok lol you have 4 chapters, wrap it up"

The notable part is the emphasis on a major twist or variation, near the end.

This is M. Night Schyamalan stuff. Which can be successful or unsuccessful, as M. Night Schyamalan shows.

Some anime have great twists---Gurren Lagann has one at the end of each arc. When it's not done so well, the sensation is often of a "rushed" ending, even when the idea of the twist isn't so bad. For example, I think Ergo Proxy had a very fine twist, in concept, but gave the Tek and Ketsu too little time to unfold.