Post-2008 anime sucks

i was born feb 2007

You probably just like this era because of the ""vibe"" like every latinx zoomers who deseparately wants to simulate that time

only amerimutts unironically use zoomer

niggas will say this shit while shilling trash like lucky star
trash airing right now will be called "soulful" in a decade or two just like you are doing

I don't hate it, I'm just not a big fan. Not many anime came out during this time that interested me and I believe it was around this time that anime started to look a lot worse.

Most folks love 2003, but it was the exact year everything went to shit.
2002 was just different due to all of the newer stuff we finally had. 2003 was just awful.

It's not early-2000 anime era that you like (that was mostly shit), you just like the weeb internet culture of that time, which is fair I'm from that era and I miss it. Though, I was like 8-10 years at that time with unrestricted internet.

8-10 years old*

S2 was the best season of Digimon.

although Lucky Star does embody "otaku ephemera" it's soulful and I can explain why
1. honest directing/storyboarding
2. visual signifiers and visual shorthand. The insanely huge eyes symbolize trust in the intelligence of the viewers--trust that they're smart enough to know that they're not supposed to be interpreting everything on a 100% literal level.
This left anime as audiences slowly got dumber and dumber.
Contrast with the character designs in Frieren or something, an uncanny, soulless mishmash that tries to harmonize the realism of the 80s with the minimalism/moe of the 90s/2000s--and fails at both.

I don't remember 2003 being very important. 2004 seemed like a much more important shift into modern anime, followed by a 2005 that was very similar to 2004 and a 2006-2007 that went full acceleration into the modern style.

Agree with that but still doesn't change that it was another made for tv product tie in among a sea of product tie ins of the time. The pipeline between LN/manga to anime was in a terrible shape.

Excel Saga and Risky Safety were the first newer looking series, but you still had better anime like Galaxy Angel, Usagi-chan de Cue, and Fullmetal Panic.

Well you're basically not incorrect with that philosophy as long as you stick with it. late 90s-2008 was a golden age
many 2deep4u philosophical animes with oustanding art
then 2008-2015 was a coomer and easy entertainment era
that was when anime was peak esciapism but with very littler merit so you're good skipping it
modern era is censored generic slop and pandering to the worst groups of people - trannies, fujoshi, twitter blue-hairs, netflix normalfags... there are some pearls here and there but they're bascially not worth digging out from pile of shit that is modern anime

daily old good new bad thread

late 2000s/early 2010s was the peak of animu
80s/90s were really bad for anything that wasnt mecha or ghibli
early 2000s was a bunch of edgy slop or eyecancer moe

trannies, fujoshi, twitter blue-hairs, netflix normalfags

That is a category that exists now and has since 2017, but it's still a clear-cut minority. Definitely sub-10 percent. You're accentuating the negative.

screwball gag comedy about an incompetent fascist terrorist group, intentionally adapted wrong and turned into a bunch of genre parodies to suit the TV medium

the existence of Excel Saga is some of the most convincing proof on earth that old talent just had something the industry lacks now

A pleb is anyone who says FMA>FMP.

so i could say early 2000s is just like late 2010s/early 2020s

2009 was better than 2008

Fujoshi fandom exists since forever. What are you on? Hetalia is a fujobait, same with Black Butler

Ok feel free to stay on Gaia then.

Yes, because of Fairy Tail and Railgun Index.

Nostalgia is an illusion, it sucked back then too.

Lucky Star is shit.

Ping pong was from 2014 retards.

yes, it was isolated cases
these days meainstream shonens are full of fujoservice

sub-10 perecent

netflix/crunchyroll slops keep toping the popularity charts

Is anime the one medium that can never be enjoyed in the present ? People will say that they miss the 10s. People that watched anime in the 10s missed the 00s. People that watched anime in the 00s missed the 90s. People that watched anime in the 90s missed the 80s. I wonder if it's the same with guys from the 80s regarding the 70s.

Why are you acting like it's an anime only thing when it applies to most media, especially video games?

True, they are the most popular. All the same, most anime these days are just regular anime. Censorship peaked in 2022 with the war against boobs to pacify reddit, but that seems to be over.

This is all just a relative perspective.
That is the "sweet spot" because the majority of you are downstream of culture that likely had its infancy with anime during the 2000s. So you get a mix of shows from the 80s, 90s, and 2000s and go "Yes, anime was good when everything I got was curated for me and the bad stuff didn't get translated, unlike today where I have to actually put in effort to find good stuff".
This season of anime in particular is better than a majority of seasons starting from back when the concept first truly blew up.
But as a thought experiment, lets look back at a past season of anime, say Winter 2004.
You have a few beloved classics like SAC S2, Dead Leaves, and Paranoia Agent. There's also Futari wa Precure starting that season and running for the whole year.
But what else do you have?
Oh.
Lots of dogshit.
The Area 88 TV anime, the Saint Seiya Heaven movie, Maria Watches Over Us, Gokusen, SD Gundam Force, and the list goes on and on and on with anime that have been forgotten or didn't even get translated for good reason.

I would take Haibane Renmei over 90% of the 70s slop.

trvke

Yes, it was incredibly common for people in the 1980s to say they missed the 60s and 70s. 1984 used to be seen as the year everything went to shit among Gen X and Baby Boomers.

Haibane Renmei is boring

70s slop is even more boring with a few exceptions.

a lot of stuff is like that, it's easy to idealize and romanticize the past but that's because you weren't there

I wonder if it's the same with guys from the 80s regarding the 70s.

Otaku anime truly started in the 80s, so yes. That's pretty much exactly what Miyazaki means when he laments anime.

I can still watch an old episode of Lupin or Mazinger Z and have fun, can't stay the same for Haibane Renmei or Serial Experiments Lain...

Well then you have garbage taste lmao.

i was born feb 2007

This is so fucking hilarious. Literal fetuses are trying to teach me what the "good old anime" is. These are the kind of people that make ognb threads.

forgotten

this is appeal to popularity fallacy
lots of the "bad" stuff you listed has SOVL

Censorship peaked in 2022 with the war against boobs to pacify reddit, but that seems to be over.

I like fun, I don't watch cartoons to feel smart I grimace everytime I see someone list an Abe or Yuasa anime on their favorites to look "intellectual" lol

What about hunter x hunter 2011 aka the goat shonen jump adaptation

But I was there, and it was better

that's bias because it's nostalgia

So which is it? Bias due to nostalgia or bias due to idealizing a past I didn't experience? It can't be both, that's a contradiction

Counter Argument

nightcore told me early 2000s shows about sad looking girls are deep. I have gender identity issues also

the Anon Babble elitist meta is that the 2011 adaptation is shit and the 1999 version is better

NTA but there's many reasons for reductive thinking like yours. What anon listed is just one reason; low intelligence and poor reasoning skills are others.

2010 indie movie Midori-ko is more soulful and unique than 90% of 2000s anime.

2024 and 2025 redeemed 2020s anime

So you link mindless shit? Good for you. Go back to shounenshit.
Nice projection, tranny.

I enjoy early 10s "trash" like Guilty Crown, Another, Aincrad arc SAO, Mirai Nikki and I don't care what others say about this.

Have you watched Shiki? t's a really good horror anime from 2010

None of those are from the early 2010s lol. 2011 and 2012 are mid-2010s.

zoomer think the 00s are the golden age of anime

Kek! Imagine in a few years when gen alpha faggots will write about how they miss the 10s or 20s anime and how that period was the golden age of anime. I am sure at least some oldfags will die of heart attacks while reading that.

see one generations trash is a succeeding generations sovl

Why do you prefer 2024 and 2025 to 2020-2023?

Yes, but I prefer Another. I still enjoyed Shiki very much. One of my favorite anime from that time petiod is Dantalian. Especially the ED is great.

this is appeal to popularity fallacy

It's the appeal to common fucking sense fallacy.
People naturally forget shit that wasn't memorable over time, and this isn't even exclusive to shows not popular at the time.
Plenty of shows got a lot of traction during a season that just vanished into the ether once they ended because it turned out they sucked ass.
Good example of that is kind of Sacred Seven, but people knew that shit sucked by episode 4.
Or just look at Shikabane Hime, or the Umineko TV anime, or the original Hunter x Hunter anime, etc, all very popular works that all got forgotten for one reason or another.

lots of the "bad" stuff you listed has SOVL

You only think this because you're underage and you likely desperately look up shit related to the internet as it existed before you were alive, and so you see Seasonalfagging (2007) and go "This is SO much more soulful" when nothing has actually changed in nearly 20 years.

gigachad taste

animes

Go back to Anon Babble faggot.

I think the 2011 earthquake had to have reduced the quality of anime.

early 2010s give us pvre sovl like kokoro connect

I was a 00s hater in the 00s and just wished it was the 80s and 90s lol
You’ll grow out of it.

netflix/crunchyroll slops keep toping the popularity charts

Almost like they are the most easily accessible and have the most eyes on them you fucking retard.
Pretty dumb to say that though when this season there's an anime airing exclusively on Netflix and nobody BUT Japan gives a shit about it.

2024 had the slime girl anime and as a result it was a sovl year. One sovl per day keeps the jews away.

Trash season

Familiarity breeds contempt is a thing not just for people but for time periods. It's easy to nostalgiafag over the past because you don't have to experience or deal with the past anymore. And of course memories fade over time as well. I remember 2017 well but not on the exact same level of detail as I would have in 2018. I'm very fond and nostalgic of 2007, the year I turned 20 years old, but I only remember it on a broad, bird's eye view level. I don't remember all the times I was hot and sweaty, the times I slept badly, the times I was in a shitty mood for no explicable reason and unable to enjoy anything.

At least this one had Baka to Test

Nichijou is one of many reasons the 2010s were anime's worst decade.

This one looks much better.

Anime finally Goes digital

It explodes with lots of masterpieces being created

anime gets to more people making them fans

2000 was a golden age no matter how much faggots nitpick about it

Stop spamming this. No one cares.

You forgot to mention that the most handsome and intelligent person was born in that year, aka me.

It's true. There was once a time where people thought Sailor Moon was the cancer killing anime and missed the classics when mecha was more common

literally GOATed season
u deadass

Going digital is not good.
Exploding isn’t good.
More fans isn’t good.

I don't mind discussing this topic with people who actually lived through these years but I absolutely draw a fucking line with children going all 'le wrong generation'. You didn't go through the industry adapting to digital art or the early CGI era, so shut the fuck up

Old bulletin comments from that time were posted on Anon Babble several times. They complained about moe (or whatever it was called back then) destroying anime.

Miyazaki thinks Astro Boy was a mistake and wants to Retvrn to 50’s Toei lol

Haruhi Suzumiya is atrocious.

I’d much rather the kids take an interest in the past than the past die, personally.
But yes, there is nothing more 00s than bitching about the 00s, it didn’t seem like sunshine and rainbows at the time.

i've been watching anime since 2011. the quality dropped after 2016. before that every season had many interesting animes. now there is just too much isekai stuff

I was anti-moe like Lucky Star anime back in the early 2010s, now I'm enjoying that stuff. I remember reading some old comment during that time before the release of Tytania. The commenter thought that this is the only hope for anime because moe is destroying it. Then he described how he thinks the future of anime would be and it sounded like he was describing the plot of Miru Tights.
Tytania was a failure and also partially Moe.

2007 was, up until maybe the late 10s, commonly seen as the year anime died and moeshit suddenly appeared out of nowhere and replaced the Cowboy Bebop-style anime which were always commonplace before then. This idea that the 2000s were a holy land isn't something I noticed until around 2017.

Ludicrous take. There were people who thought that but they thought that was 2000 or 2001.
They were also wrong but that’s beside the point.

Shit whataboutism non-argument. Yes everyone feels nostalgia, but we are talking about an objective decline in quality, change in target audience, trends etc
There's always one guy like you in these threads. I don't know if it's supposed to be some kind of zoomer cope, but if you have nothing to say then just shut up.

Op is a dumb zoomer though

isekai was the real killer of the medium, verily

2007

moeshit suddenly appeared out of nowhere and replaced the Cowboy Bebop-style anime which were always commonplace before then

Western anime fans from back then were just uninformed.

Your exactly reply was said in the 00s.

It's not a ludicrous take, Lucky Star and to a lesser degree K-On were always targeted as the scapegoats. The early 2000s were more of a forgotten dead zone. Places like NeoGAF circa 2009-2011 were focused purely on late 00s anime, mainly Lucky Star as the root of all evil.

If you just ignore the isekai stuff, which is really easy because it isn't popular just populous, you'll be better off

No, he's right because 2007 started the KyoAni dominance of Lucky Star and K-ON along with Hidamari Sketch. And these weren't considered the niche anime, they were the best-selling anime of their years. This is when the whole moe vs gar thing really took off

Fr?

I think that's the point. It's not that it actually 'appeared out of nowhere', it's that at that point it had become too big to ignore.

This is what I'm talking about PEOPLE SAID THIS EXACT SAME SHIT ABOUT THE 00s. THE EXACT SAME. I cannot believe I'm seriously having this argument right now.

I'd much rather kids not make garbage threads. I'll be honest I care more about the quality of Anon Babble than the quality of anime and this site has been turned into pure garbage exactly because of people like op. I miss old Anon Babble.

moeshit suddenly appeared out of nowhere and replaced the Cowboy Bebop-style anime which were always commonplace before then

suddenly

This post smells of westerner, this wasn't suddenly nor was it new. Around that time, more anime just started to come over and people started being able to pirate more shows or watch more anime. Thus, they saw what the Japs where seeing too, and at the same time, instead of shows that where from different time periods entirely and had the same aesthetics or where popular in Japan at some point in the past.

commonly seen as the year anime died and moeshit suddenly appeared out of nowhere

Yes blatantly ignore that late 00s was the era the industry started going for more risky mature titles including black lagoon, witchblade, basilisk, mnemosyne, gurren lagann and at the same time the era where the big three of shounen began swinging towards a more mature tone. Moe has existed since the 80s and the revisionism about late 00s regarding the genre is retarded.

Nobody thought post-2001 was halcyon animewise before 2010,
but I first saw 90s hate during like 2012 (way earlier than 2017).

Before, in like 2008, AMVs all over YouTube had way
more 90s anime than 2000s. You'd see Agent Aika, Neighborhood Story, Slayers, Golden Boy, Fushigi Yuugi, G Gundam, and Gundam Wing used in them as often as FMA and Naruto.

we can all agree that cgdct killed anime

I know we've been having old good new bad threads for years but this is less that and more reeking of YT comments under old bands saying they were born in the wrong decade

Yeah dude moe totally appeared out of nowhere in 07' and replaced the cool anime types, totally, believe me

Do anons really believe this unironically?

Old Anon Babble was a bunch of 14 year olds pretending to be adults acting silly. You don’t miss old Anon Babble, you miss middle-aged Anon Babble, and what’s killing this board are people who don’t love anything.
old.sage.moe/a/search/type/op/order/asc/

Anon Babble thread

This the average year of the early 00s. It's not good. Especially visually

Digimon Tamers is the best thing on here unironically.

neogaf getting mentioned

the "4" neurons guy thinking people give a fuck about him

retarded illiterate people that lack reading comprehension

This might be the most retarded thread I've seen in a while. Congrats guys.

Maid-Tai was fun from a studio that calls itself Sutio M.O.E.

I have a centillion neurons.

someone post that usenet screenshot where a guy was complaining that moe was killing cool anime in the 90s

This is considered the best year of the early 00s. Now here, there are some shows people might have heard of. However, actually look at this season by season and tell me with a straight face that this would be considered a 'golden year'

Why 2008? I'm a millenial and I see like 2002 to 2010 while digital animation was new and looked like ass compared to previous anime. Stuff from the last 10 years is significantly better animated than early digital

Soultaker looks like one of these edgy "mature" anime but it also has Nurse Witch Komugi as one of its characters.

Oooh, pseuds are NOT going to love reading that. Even though that's obviously very true

I’m not even that experienced with the 00s and you’re full of shit.

Sounds about right. I never saw moeshit until the late 2000s then it took over like a plague.

Rumbling Hearts looks like Muv-Luv.

As someone who was around then, 2008 actually was a shitty year of anime but that's just the year and it was coming after 06/07 which are two of the biggest years in anime. I wouldn't say every anime post-2008 is bad, that's zoomer talk.

Even me?

A pseud is anyone who likes ZZeta Gundams.

I've been watching since the late 90s and the quality improved drastically in the 2010s. It's better today than it ever was during the 00s when everything looked awful

especially you

I remember watching Futari wa Precure and Doremi as a child. I think both could be considered moe in some way.

*looks at you with a straight face*

We would be blessed to have a season this good.

Don't watch isekai then, there are like 7-8 shows this season that anons are watching, none of them isekai, and yet you can't find anything at all to watch? You might just not like watching anything aside from unga bunga battle shonen shit.

never saw moeshit until the late 2000s

Of course, because your source of anime was toonami.

Same studio. Also characters from that cameo in Muv-Luv
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season this good.

I think you mean year.

I was watching anime before you were born on fansub VHS tapes.

Post proof. Take a photo of your vhs collection with a timestamp.

That's an entire year anon, also

FMA

That was never good

muh you just like brotherhood!

FMA as a whole was never good, this includes 03, Brotherhood and the manga.

The 00s looked rough as the industry was spread thin and people figured out digipaint. Lots of QUALITY.
That said, I do prefer the character designs of the 00s over the 10s and 20s. The 00s also had more variety and niche stuff.
I don’t particularly like the new sensibility of sakuga that’s cropping up and I really hate the post-processing effects blurring everything, the 00s and early 10 were a lot cleaner looking.

Better than 2024, that's for sure.

You really think people kept that shit? Fuck you zoomie. Post proof you weren't born after 2000

Blatant apples an oranges. SEL is not exactly carefree upbeat fun.
Though idk why you think Haibane isn't fun, it has lots of comfy heartwarming bits and a peaceful mood.
My guess is you haven't actually watched it and you think it's similar SEL and Texhnolyze.
I

FMP is the only series there that doesn't suck.

Anon, that's an entire year, not a season

You really think people kept that shit?

So you have no proof? Good then you claims mean nothing.

Year

That’s how much anime we get a season now, and that’s part of the problem.

Everything is bad!

How brave of you.

he can't prove he's not a little shit

post proof you were born before 2000 and I'll listen to you. otherwise you don't know shit. I don't know a single person that held onto shitty low quality VHS. you would know if you were alive then

Canadian National Expo 2001
I think one of them cosplays as Dejiko from Di Gi Charat.

That’s how much anime we get a season now, and that’s part of the problem.

Okay but my point was if you actually look at that season by season and imagine the average fan watching them back then, people wouldn't be calling that a golden era because a lot of the shows in those seasons were bad

No people would call it good because there’s a lot of good stuff there.

That’s how much anime we get a season now

and?

and that’s part of the problem

Don't watch the shit ones, no one is forcing you to do so.

How does Anon Babble do it? Even with all its flaws, it still manages to maintain a level of quality far above the other media boards.

I call this season good because there are a lot of things I'm watching and I like, 8 shows in a single season, meanwhile if we go by 2003's chart then I only actually like about 9 shows on that list.

all anime are easily accessible
pirate websites have hundreds of millions of unique visitors every month retard

The talent is spread thin amongst the various projects, and larger companies take less risks. More reliance on lower quality work and market saturation.
It’s more than just “I have to ignore some shows”.
Secondarily it effects culture and it’s the reason “we” don’t have classics anymore because everyone is in their own silo.

Sounds like a personal problem.

asked to provide proof

actually how about you provide proof for something else

You are so retarded lol.

2003 just wasn't that good, anon. Post 2004 and we'll have an actual contest. The early 2000s were a slow period before a very strong mid 2000s.

he still won't

kek you must be a 15 year old little shit. No wonder you think people hoarded VHS tapes

the reason “we” don’t have classics anymore

You know what a classic is right? Of course you won't have classics in the modern day, it takes the next generation actually remembering anything to make something a classic. In 20 years we'll see which shows from this current gen anyone will remember and consider a classic, however we can't do that ourselves because that's not our decision.

Secondarily it effects culture and it’s the reason “we” don’t have classics anymore because everyone is in their own silo.

We don't have classic because modern is garbage you fucking faggot. The people using this board are brainless faggots.

t. brainless faggot that doesn't know what a classic is supposed to mean or be

market saturation.

That affects literally every medium, yet only animefags seem to be unable to ignore to bad things and search for the good stuff.

What's your favorite 2004 to 2010 animes?

Nah that’s cope. People knew what was relevant to the zeitgeist at the time and what wasn’t. It’s different now, everything gets dropped by next season.

I meant to write modern Anon Babble.

Read the post you replied to again, slowly.

That true for all modern media though

I guess Read Or Die and .Hack// are okay, too, but BoBoBo ever existing is a tragedy of epic proportions.

still no proof

Lmao, you've lost. Reply to this post with proof or else I won't be able to take you seriously.

he didn't post it

kek you really are 15 years old. if you reply to this post without proof it means you are underage

BoBoBo ever existing is a tragedy of epic proportions.

Why? For me it was the best comedy anime next to excel saga.

No people would call it good

Then why can I find forum posts that call it bad? Do you live in imaginary world where everyone liked it and was happy about it? You do know that we have so many archive for early 00s forums, right?

Yes, these days there are no "fans of a particular anime" (except JJK I guess), only "fans of mass consumption of junk-food-like anime as a whole"

VHS fansubs were constantly traded and discarded because at the end of the day they were piece of shit bootlegs that often had worse image quality that usual due to the fact that many would inevitably be third, fourth, or fifth generation recordings (if not greater).
Also another thing to keep in mind is that the days of VHS fansubbing were 30 years ago.

There are always little bitches but I’m talking about fans, not tourists or aged out clingers.

I've read it. It's the truth , literally every single medium is affected by saturation.

Fanhood still exists with some franchises to some degree.

People knew what was relevant to the zeitgeist

Hilarious considering in 1979 people did not watch Mobile Suit Gundam at all and it was only until the later movie releases in the 80's where it actually became popular and barely anyone watched Nichijou when it aired in Japan

everything gets dropped by next season

And yet we still have people talking about Frieren, a lot of the time even more than currently airing anime, and it's been a year since the first season. This is just one example of a show in the current day people are still talking about even after it's finished airing.

old multiplayer vidya don't get boring
you're stuck rewatching same anime classics

Teleport modern Anon Babble 20 years in the past and it would be the same. The modern internet is filled with underage faggots and non-whites. That's why the culture died.

Only people that agree with me are true fans

Anon Babble sucks now moreso because many millennials grew up into cranky and unfun curmudgeons that forgot how to like anime, than because some Gen Z kid uses some lingo you don’t personally like.

And you have thousands of classics. Also indies and the stuff.

old multiplayer vidya don't get boring

Yes, they do.

I really wonder how much people in the modern year 2025 remember anime from the 00s compared to people from the 00s remembering anime in the 80s.

Thanks for backing me up anon. It's unreasonable of him to expect me to be able to post that crap when I traded it off or threw it away. The quality really was dogshit

People who in good faith engage with being a fan of anime are true fans. Toonaminiggers are tourists and aged out clingers need to go to backlog land or get the fuck out.

Not that guy but my buddy(much younger than me) still has most of his bootleg dbz collection.
My house burned down back in the 2000s and had to move a million times since then so i lost all mine or id still have them. I tried to replace them but its impossible now.
Like tears lost in the rain.

I hate to be the one to point this out, but the majority of Anon Babble right now is Zoomers. This myth of the 30 something millennial waiting in the wings to shit on you is just that- a myth.
Most of Anon Babble's "old guard" (retarded name for people who wasted years of their life on a pseudo-forum) just left. That's why the board is basically dead outside ragebait and generals, and those two things only really appeal to very young people.
There is not a single person posting in this thread right now who was here before 2014 at best, and anyone saying otherwise is a liar for a very obvious reason.

Let's see how many 2004 anime I think look interesting and worth watching. Some I've seen, some I haven't.

Winter 2004

Futari wa Pretty Cure
Cosprayers

Spring 2004

Koi Kaze
This Ugly Yet Beautiful World
Mermaid Melody
Maid LA Verite
Love Love?

Summer 2004

Elfen Lied
Girl's Bravo
Wind: A Breath of Heart

Autumn 2004

School Rumble
Rozen Maiden
Nanoha
Gakuen Alice
Tsukuyomi: Moon Phase
W: Wish
To Heart: Remember My Memories
Rockman.EXE Stream
Kakyuusei 2

From 9 in 2003 to 19 in 2004. Fall 2004 might be the first anime season fully on par with modern seasons (I watch 6-10 shows a season). Seasons like Winter and Summer 2004 where only two to three shows look good to me just don't exist anymore. 2004 or 2005 would be the last year with seasons almost completely dead for me.

And you have thousands of classics.

Are you new to anime?
There are thousands of watchable old anime if you have 0 standards and don't limit yourself to genres you like.
There are like 100-200 classics and everyone here that's not a newfag watched them 5 times already

Gundam wasn’t in the zeitgeist until it was, obviously. Western fandom is different than eastern fandom, obviously.

Frieren

One of the VERY few, minuscule in comparison.
Argue better.

Gundam wasn’t in the zeitgeist until it was, obviously. Western fandom is different than eastern fandom, obviously.

This is among the most retarded statements I've ever read.

But I’m not lying…

Are there oldfags boards left

I had to explain both to you like you’re 3 because that’s what your argument was.

I wish I kept mine. Never realized I would be sentimental for worthless low quality garbage.

don't limit yourself to genres you like.

That's a (you) problem. Learn to broaden your horizons.

You don’t have “standards”, you’re a picky eater.

I started browsing Anon Babble when boxxy was queen of Anon Babble. I'm still a newfag. Only pre 2008 is oldfags

This is gonna make someone mad, but the "oldfags" just moved on with their lives.
Any Anon Babble oldfags inevitably moved to discord if they ever used social media by the by. That's mostly because discord replaced skype though.
Sort of like how all actual Anon Babble oldfags are on twitter.

Summer ‘06 is when newfaggotry began
t. Summer ‘06

I don’t get angry at things that are blatantly wrong.

I thought it was 2008 it's been a long time.

2006 was considered the "best" year last i recall.

People who in good faith engage with being a fan of anime are true fans.

Anyways every anime after 2008 is forgettable and I don't watch it, all of them suck

Oh you have a different opinion than me? Tourist toonaminigger!!! Everyone knows MY opinion is the only correct one!

is there a single originalfag left? How could he prove it?

blatantly wrong

I'm speaking from experience.

2006 and 2007 are close when it comes to popular opinion. 2008 might be my favorite 2000s year, but 2006-2008 are really the only possibilities for me. 2009 was a huge downgrade, 2000-2003 are slim pickings, 2004-2005 I'm fond of but definitely not as much as the next three years.

Anyways every anime after 2008 is forgettable and I don't watch it, all of them suck

Not stated.

Oh you have a different opinion than me? Tourist toonaminigger!!!

No, if you’re a tourist toonaminigger you’re a tourist toonaminigger. It was pretty obvious back then.

Western fandom is different than eastern fandom, obviously.

NTA but he was talking about the Japanese fandom, no one watched Nichijou in Japan when it aired and it only became somewhat popular and a classic in Japan after the BD releases and the cult fandom it had began to promote it via MAD's and things such as.

InuYasha proves EARLY 2000s anime didn't suck.

Your definition of classics is all translated animes
So by that line of thought pretty much all anime fans are picky-eaters
I did that many times and actually found some gems but so what? Maybe I could try again and find a gem after torturing myself with 100 coals. it's not worth the effort at some point

Nichijou did have a pretty horrific episode zero that killed some interest.

Your definition of classics is all translated animes

Not stated.

Animes

Figures.

The coverart on them could be anything from cool offical art to some crap that would embarrass deviant art, the subs ranged from fairly accurate to literal bullshit, could be either broadcast rips or laserdisc magic and could have either one episode or almost the whole series on them.
Kids these days just get a bluray with terrible coverart and no surprises.
I pity them.

I consider 2014/2015 that cut off period for what was basically a 20 year period of otaku golden age in terms of anime being produced. I don't think otaku culture has died off yet even today but from 2015 onwards it seems there was a shift with the more global reach anime was starting to have.

Nichijou looks like regurgitated Azumanga Daioh.

No, it proves that isekai's cancerous grandaddy metastasized into the next decade.

lmao.
I thought Dog Days was the original isekai.

Have you watched Princess Arete, Shin Hurricane Polymar, Cat Soup and Midori-ko?

Aura Battler Dunbine I think for anime. Unless you count some Wizard of Oz adaptation or something.

This thread is blatantly filled with retards from Anon Babble whose experience with anime is 80% anime that was on broadcast TV in their country.
This is honestly so funny, it's like when someone you know who doesn't read books starts to complain about literacy rates, just a sheer moment of "When the fuck did you care?"

It's so blatantly obvious and you people manage to fight over who is the most correct in an argument where none of you hold a real stake.

You don’t get to bitch about running out of good anime until you’re at least 1000 completed.
Anything under that will definitely be a bad excuse. There’s no problem never getting there or only liking 20 anime but if you bitch you’re a poser.

Absolutely cancerous taste, fuck off and kill yourself.

Good selection but you can get more on there.

fucking die frogposter

The early 2000s were pretty good for anime, the skip from hand-drawn to digital plus the inclusion of CGI made for a ton of experimental shows, plus because the committee model was still young a bunch of studios were able to get some good cash for 2 cours anime original, something that on this age is almost unthinkable without a skip cour in-between because if you get 2 cours then you're from a stablished IP.
Pic related was so fucking good.

2011 was truly the greatest year for little girl anime.

I’ve been both extremes. During the 00s I was a militant celfag and manimefag and decried the current state of anime.
Now that I’ve grown up I can delve into the 00s appreciating the good it had, and there was plenty. It’s a cool time, very unique.
My biggest issue with the 20s is it just sorta feels like 10s: Part 2 so far.

Ooooh yeah, I remember that at some point Anon Babble threads were more alive than the futaba ones.

When I was anime while growing up I didn't give a fuck if whatever I was watching was cel or digital or whatever, I was just there to enjoy stuff.

And even when you reach such a landmark you must have a favorite genre of anime, you will end up watching them all, even the shitty ones and then understand why they're shit.

Anime has always been cancer.
I'd argue that 90's to early 00's had a spike in popularity since pretty cliché mid directors and writers had the oppurtunity splash around in INCREDIBLE resources.
It's not really all good. It's just that the industry had a gigantic amount of free money floating around and enough old talent to turn shitty clichés into gold.
Basically the quality of the visual design and music hardcarried until the bubble burst both financially and demographically.

Talent and good stuff still has the chance to crop up, due to the industry's insane high turnover rate, but honestly the frequency just dropped back since the society doesn't have the reserves to draw on to make it really opulent like before.

Same thing in Western media too. It's only nastier in the West because unfucked hall monitor Karens get to fill the void left by the missing talent with screeching.

Anon Babble has been a disaster for this site.

When I watched anime as a child I thought that digital animation was cool and a sign of progress. I thought similar things about CGI. I enjoyed the CGI Digimon evolutions animations for example.

Kadokawa is the one at fault for that, I don't recall the year but last decade they decided that they're gonna release like 50 anime per year so they started to throw isekai after isekai after isekai commercial from shitty studios filled with quality and that only adapt like 2-3 volume of the LN, which sucks because they don't even let the studios write an anime original ending like on the LN adaptations of the late 00s and early 10s.

During the 00s I was a militant celfag and manimefag and decried the current state of anime.

How does it feel knowing you've missed the best of the internet otaku culture?

New/younger fans have the benefit of novelty and discovery, it’s the slightly experience fans that fall into the everything sucks trap. They’ve either become so hyperspecific in their taste that they have cucked themselves out of being an anime fan or have simply aged out of it. Sad, but those people should reframe or move on.

I'm 31 years old. Anime was a huge mistake. I've wasted my life

OP here, I'm almost 38 and was just trolling with this thread for shits and giggles. I am very sorry. Also I am an ancientfag who first posted in 2012. My first post was hornyposting over Ririchiyo from Boku X Inu SS.

I agree that the 20s don't have much identity and are mostly just 2010s part two. I am basically okay with that since I do love the 2010s, but I do hope that anime hasn't peaked stylistically and that the 30s can be meaningfully different somehow.

Eh, I had my fun in my own way. I was just being a little Miyazaki about it.

Eh, I had my fun in my own way.

The magic of the 00s was actually discussing digisubs and enjoying the OC surrounding them. Something that will never ever be replicated. The internet is too anti-fun now.

I'm also 31 yo and anime has been a part of my life and my parents' lives forever, I will keep watching anime until I die indeed.

Exactly. At a certain level of experience bad anime becomes engaging again, and not just in an ironic way or a “epic takedown way”. But putting it in context and knowing why it stumbles, and sometimes appreciating what it gets right.
Then why are you here? And if the answer is manga why are you HERE?

But putting it in context and knowing why it stumbles, and sometimes appreciating what it gets right.

Indeed, it's also fun to check the staff and to see how people like directors, writers and key animators' careers develop over the years.

Hating on anime is usually just a dumb status game for clowns.
Loving on anime? Now that’s based.

What I think changed most is the culture around anime at least in the west, it's more popular than ever but with people who don't really care about it.

You still have time nigger.
Go out and get a woman and make kids.
There's weeb bitches out there.
Not THIN but it's either that or dying alone.
Just work out and get into shape. You'll be getting at least SOME companionship soon.

I'm 38 and dying of cancer, trust me I'd trade with you in a heartbeat.

Just work out and get into shape.

I already do. Hasn't increased my confidence like people said it would.

i was born feb 2007

gongrats, your life is over and ruined before it even began

I think all people born after 2000 should kill themselves, especially attention whoring faggots like yourself.
I was gonna say underageb& because I cannot wrap my head around the fact that someone born in goddamn 2007 is of legal age to use this website.
Anyway I like 00s anime but you should really kill yourself asap. Also the way you type is annoying.
If anything early to mid 90s is the dark ages of anime. The Japanese asset price bubble burst beginning of the 90s and there was barely any money to go around in the industry and the only thing that would get funded were safe bets like popular manga. If you look around random seasons of the time you'll see seasons with just 2-3 new anime and you'd almost never get any original anime funded, at least until producers saw how successful eva was. That time period has some of the most hideously ugly anime I've ever seen, like Saber Marionette. Sure there were some decent OVAs but TV anime was fucking dire. 70s, 80s and 00s are all better than the average 90s show.
I mostly agree with your point that people are biased since back in the day the garbage simply didn't get subbed and no one knew about it. But to take your example, that's 3 fantastic TV anime from a season with just 20 new TV shows. Nowadays each season has 60+ airing shows and you'd be lucky to find 3 great shows despite there being way more anime. Take a random 2020s season like say Summer 2024. Do you really think there's 5+ anime that will be remembered 20 years from now?
Also to continue with your example. Winter 2004 also had Hikari to Mizu no Daphne and Mezzo DSA which I both enjoyed watching. I've also heard good things about Yuugo: Koushounin, although I haven't seen it myself. Anyways watch Daphne that show is fucking hilarious and it's got a great soundtrack and seiyuu cast.

Princess Arete

watched most from 4C but this went under my radar because it's 14k members only and g-children meaning it's a show for toddlers

Shin Hurricane Polymar

really don't care about power rangers and it's rated 5.92

Cat Soup

ok

Midori-ko

literal slideshow
So if you don't like these you're a picky-eater? You have to be trolling

. The Japanese asset price bubble burst beginning of the 90s and there was barely any money to go around in the industry and the only thing that would get funded were safe bets like popular manga.

Don't forget toy commercials for little boys.

Biding my time as I'm dying ill and alone, and discussing old stuff and finally making sense of what seemed magical and mysterious when I was young and happy.
People who have lives and futures aren't here.

mal ratings

You are absolutely retarded. I hate tourists like you so fucking much . Please kill yourself.

really don't care about power rangers and it's rated 5.92

Also that ova has fantastic fighting choreography you brainless faggot.

I like 90s uguu alien designs and Obarijank, they look pretty/otherworldly.
youtube.com/watch?v=hX0TozjEZKA

People often forget that Kadokawa Shoten is the reason we have like 50 or so shitty isekai per season for some reason. If we took the low budget shows from WN's that Kadokawa chooses to produce every year then we wouldn't be complaining about isekai at all as an oversaturated genre since the only ones that would exist would be ones like Re:Zero, Mushoku Tensei, Konosuba, Overlord ect.

i was born feb 2007

Nobody younger than a website should ever be allowed to post on it. Get out.

I’m dying of cancer so I’m going to spend my final days recontextualizing what I like into cynical nothingness and spread it on the internet

Not a great way to go out, anon.

50 or so shitty isekai per season

*per year

Indeed, if it wasn't by them we wouldn't have as many isekai adaptations as we have now, we would only have the ones that are popular enough to sell well and win prizes indeed.
As you said, I'm sure people's perception of isekai would be similar to how battle harems were perceived on the later half of 10s: Something that you might not like but there aren't that many per season so you can forget about their existence.

If anything early to mid 90s is the dark ages of anime.

Early 90s only had the issue of being incredibly heavy on relying on ovas/movies that often butchered and fragmented adaptations but overall you popular franchises were huge
Slam dunk
City hunter
Arale
Doraemon
Black Jack
Nadia
Oh my Goddess
And then the massive craze that came with Slayers in '95, that is already more full than early 00s with how many product based anime were dominating everything.

Okay, second step, that NEVER goes away.

Braving the future is braving uncertainty.
You trade (dwindling) comfort for a future.
You are the head of the cavalry charge of life, braving both ill and good.

Protip: Join a dance class, join a club, visit cons, go out, get a dog. ANY excuse to just bump around in public.

If anyone gives you the time of day, or excuse, ask them out. I'm dying and even I was approached twice.
Not really gonna land a date with a rotting body, but the opporrtunity arose.

That safe couch you're sitting back on, that's a coffin.
We're all ending up in it, so why not take a chance?

I'm retiring for now, good luck!

Good old Kirby and Kokoro Library
youtube.com/watch?v=gzTSH51nOG4&t=59s

We’re blessed to be in the timeline anime exists, honestly.

It's images like these that make me glad this site is as bad as it is.

if you don't like a show for a literal toddler you're absolutely retarded

Are you sure you're not the one seriously mentally deficient?

I fully agree

Everyone who still had soul within the mainstream entertainment industries, all cashed out some time in the 00s. Leaving only the soulless behind to create endless trash. This doesn't only apply to the anime industry, but everything.

Forgot to add that Maria-sama ga Miteiru has some historical value as having a big impact on yuri anime and kind of becoming a blueprint lots of other anime would copy. Kind of like Love Hina was for harem rom-com. One of my professors, a 45 year old lady from Japan who used to write BL for comiket told me it made a big impact back then.
I love Dragon Half, that anime rocks especially since she is a chibi with thick thighs 80% of the time.It's just some of the lesser known TV anime I've seen from the 90s were all ugly as sin: Bakuretsu Hunter, Saber Marionette, Next Senki Ehrgeiz, damn those all sucked.
Arete Hime is a snoozefest but the visuals and soundtrack are nice at least.

taking age ratings seriously

You are so fucking dumb, you tourist. Since you are so in love with mal how about you post your list? I would like to have a laugh.

Midori-ko-bro

I'm sure people's perception of isekai would be similar to how battle harems were perceived on the later half of 10s

I might have to disagree with you there, the main reason that we even consider "Isekai" an actual genre in discussion, and not just calling it fantasy like back during the 90's with shows like Magic Knight Rayearth, is because Kadokawa chose to produce 50 shows a season from the same god forsaken website where the writers just copy each other all the time. Like, even before in the 2000's shows like Zero no Tsukaima weren't known as isekai even though we consider it an isekai now because while the genre existed in LN circles and WN circles in Japan it was really just fantasy. The tropes of isekai would also still exist on Shosetsuka ni Naro, however aside from the fantasy setting can you even call anime like Re:Zero, Konosuba, Mushoku Tensei and Konosuba even remotely similar? In fact I'll give you a better example, nothing is similar between Youjo Senki and any of the above aside from the fact that they where originally from our world.

TL:DR I doubt the isekai genre in anime would even exist in the way it does if Kadokawa didn't decide to be retarded, especially since other producers like Aniplex and Toho aren't mass producing isekai.

Re:Zero, Konosuba, Mushoku Tensei and Konosuba even remotely similar?

Wrote Konosuba twice, meant to add in Overlord

Zero no Tsukaima

I remember it sometimes being called the Harry Potter anime.

Isekai only depresses me because being transported into another world has so much more potential than the same generic setting and type of power fantasy with little twists.
Isekai has so much utility and it’s squandered by its genre conventions.

the reviews call it children's fiction
myanimelist.net/profile/noembl

Gayest thing I've read today
Stop seeking approval from others so much faggot or at least when you do it make sure it's a not from a bunch of losers in an anonymous website

Filtered by a MAL review

Absolutely embarrassing.

I remember hearing about Zero no Tsukaima and reading the synopsis of it before the isekai anime boom. That was before the Overlord and the Gate JSDF anime. I thought to myself "It is one of these kind of stories where someone gets transported into a fantasy world. I'm not interested in such a stuff."

Doraemon started in 79 and has been running until today, I wouldn't call that a 90s anime. Arale is from the 80s too. Most of Black Jack and Aa Megami-sama released in the 2000s. Also I wouldn't call Nadia a franchise, it's a single TV show and a movie.
I also don't know what you mean by "product based anime" I just took a quick peak at 2001/02 and see Hellsing, Full Metal Panic, Hikaru no Go, Fruits Basket, Shaman King, Onegai Teacher, RahXephon, Chobits, Azumanga Daioh, Prince of Tennis. What are these product based anime that were dominating the early 2000s you speak of?

Shangri-La

I only know that it's post-apocalyptical and it has a tranny in it.

posting the meme one

desuarchive.org/a/search/text/https://myanimelist.net/profile/noembl/

nostalgiafag

You're right, it would just be called fantasy and at most we would have memes asking if they're related with isekai on their name just like how there are memes for the "Re:" shows

Explaining how things worked in broader contexts isn't cynical, or at least I don't think so. Sorry if I came off that way.
I get much enjoyment figuring out what fed into what and why it looked special.
For example I never knew that Utena was a sort of spinoff of a real life theatrical group/movement. That's why certain bits seem weird and stilted and boring - it's basically missing the "live action" context of the stage and theatrical subculture.

Also, I'm sorry, but reading some to the interviews from back in the day, as an adult who got a taste of reality, many creators seemed to be spoiled children. It's probably very contextual; obviously people were tied with contracts and obligations not just towards themselves but the entire team working underneath them, and obviously Japanese politeness forbids you from talking "real" anyway, but I'm sure you don't have to talk like an airhead bimbo to keep getting work, right?

Many of the fashionable opinions about freedom and sexuality in the 90's and 00's resulted in kid grooming in schools, and 41% suicide rates among people with serious mental illness today. Not that Japan was doing well on the mental health and suicide front anyway, but the "solution" to strictness really just turned into a funnel for a different kind of death trap in boundless "liberation".
And I can't shake the feeling, that if I can see this as an outsider, some clever players INSIDE the business must have seen it coming as it happened, and were okay with it.

Anyway, peace.

2001 is not an average year, it stands out as a candidate for worst year since the early 90s, at least if you look only at very good anime.
But even then you can still find some noteworthy anime from 2001 as well, even if they aren't as highly regarded.

2002 is far better, with multiple classics that should still be recommended today with no questions asked, and 2003 has a high number of high quality anime as well.
I know less about 2000 but there are at least some.

…is a one word catchphrase used to deny that past media could in any way have an advantage over current media, aka a thought terminating cliche.

that past media could in any way have an advantage over current media

Which is hypothetically fine if the argument is thoughtful and not unfairly biased. "New anime is all bad, period" isn't really a take you can argue thoughtfully because it's just not backed by reality, but it's possible to view old anime as being much better on the overall whole as a valid perspective.

Also, I'm sorry, but reading some to the interviews from back in the day, as an adult who got a taste of reality, many creators seemed to be spoiled children.

Can you give me some examples? That sounds very interesting. I think the whole don't kill your enemies trope that is parodied in Trigun is a form of spoiledness.

Explaining how things worked

Your thesis statement is “anime is cancer”. That’s not context that’s reduction.

and why it looked special

Because it is. Animation is special, and the anime industry produces some great stuff.

many creators seemed to be spoiled children

Auteurs will be particular, the job of the director is to boss around and carry a vision after all.

Japanese politeness forbids you from talking "real" anyway

I admire the expectations of civility and carrying yourself with dignity. It doesn’t bother me that they sacrifice “authenticity” for other things.

I'm sure you don't have to talk like an airhead bimbo to keep getting work

Kawaii culture is a good thing and I like it.

some clever players INSIDE the business must have seen it coming as it happened, and were okay with it.

You’re connecting fiction too much to real life, a common mistake.

Best of luck to you.

feb 2007

not underageb8

What the fuck?

Correct (I’m not OP(and I know you’re reacting to OP but the word is very much abused)).

Why is nu-Anon Babble so easy to bait?

Depends on when you heard about Zero no Tsukaima, if it's any time before 2010 then you're lying, Zero came out in 2006 and there was barely anything like it at the time in anime, in fact I doubt there was anything even remotely similar that wasn't an LN or WN. If it's after 2011 then that makes sense since SAO, Log Horizon, No Game No Life, Dog Days, Kamigami no Asobi, Outbreak Company and Ixion Saga had already come out.

I don’t have to believe OP is speaking honestly to want to discuss the topic he’s baiting about.

AirBats is better than every anime from 2003. Hellsing is better than every anime from 2003.

But to take your example, that's 3 fantastic TV anime from a season with just 20 new TV shows. Nowadays each season has 60+ airing shows and you'd be lucky to find 3 great shows despite there being way more anime.

It's pretty easy to filter out what will and won't be good.
This season alone had the following start

Yaiba

Anne Shirley

Kowloon

Witch Watch

Gquuuuux

Apocalypse Hotel

Ninkoro

Kimi to Idol Precure

Which is better than most seasons in general.

Take a random 2020s season like say Summer 2024. Do you really think there's 5+ anime that will be remembered 20 years from now?

Well no, but that's true of every season and also doesn't really matter. The anime that are remembered are often just the ones that got lucky to have a lot of exposure and rarely does that correspond with quality, especially when viewing from a western lens.
Funnily enough, Summer 2024 did have multiple significant releases that likely will still crop up five years from now, namely Elusive Samurai (for more positive reasons) and Shikanoko (for more negative reasons). It also had the latest Monogatari series entry, Dead Dead Demon's, a new Mononoke, the second half of Sengoku Youko, and a few others that flew under the radar like Kinnikuman Perfect Origin.

Yeah, 2001 was whatever when 2002 had many classic, 2003 had some of those shows that people got at their favorites, 2004 was the year of shows that get 10th and 20th anniversaries very often and 2005 had some super fun originals.

The entirety of current Anon Babble is just Anon Babble users on vacation, which is why all the threads on the board that aren't generals are just low effort bait.

It's possible for anime to get better but it's impossible for Anon Babble to get better. How does that make you feel?

This is a sad one, but I agree.

(me)
Also Jesus fucking Christ the Zero no Tsukaima anime is going to be 20 years old next year. I remember watching it when it was airing...

I don't really watch anime anymore. I stopped a few years ago, not immediately but gradually I'd watch less and less... my interest has waned because most stories are LN or manga adaptations or remakes, remasters, sequels... what have you... They don't feel good or interesting. I don't want to rewatch a remaster or a new season of a show I loved that had a proper conclusion. Many studios are too risk averse, reason why there's so much slop, especially from the fanservice aspect. There's a deluge of constant fanservice and pushing for merch sales instead of making the anime good it became an advertisement for merch....

I don’t watch anime

Whining about fanservice

Why are you here?

to literal bullshit

yeah but goku cussed. it was worth it

it became an advertisement for merch

Anime has always been an advertisement for merchandise and manga anon, how new to anime are you? Even OVA's where just anime studios banking on the anime being a hit so they could market the shit out of it like with Gainax and EVA being on literally everything you could sell.