How come CGDCT shows and yuri subtext shows rarely have male characters...

well to be fair getting a life is easier than done.

What does otome have to do with yaoi and BL, it like... pretty much by definition needs to have a female protagonist.

And obviously because one targets fairly normal people and the other colossal virgins who feel subconsciously cucked the moment someone of their own sex appears.

Virginity oozing from this post.
And this one
This one too.
This one especially.

Yuri audience is 99% straight men.

Now I know that you yuriniggers are retards, but with this you really can't be serious.

They oddly often say this on Anon Babble but it's the world they live in I guess.
Most of them have never spoken to a girl in their lives so it's hard for them to imagine that outside of their little world's it's not the case.

Most yurifags are just purityfags evolved to the next stage, it only makes sense that they'd hold onto their absurd androphobia.

Truth, they don't care about “yuri” they care about cute girls not getting defiled by the cock.

why doesn’t yuri have men

ignores all the yuri series that do have men

People love talking about a genre they know nothing about.

The yuri audience in Japan is pretty strongly male. The best rate you’ll find is that Yuri Hime has a 70% male audience and 30% female. But elsewhere, yuri is published in seinen magazines with 80-90% male audiences and photos from events usually show very few females.

The yuri audience in Japan is pretty strongly male

I don't think that was the point of contention here.

Meanwhile, the best selling yuri manga of our era, KiniOto, has plenty of male characters, including ones that are dating girls.

90+% of the yuri audience is in Japan. Whatever western bullshit you see is not the vast majority.

But this thread here is the western bullshit. The online yuri fans I know are a coin toss between mentally ill recluses and full-blown trannies. And those things are also not mutually exclusive.

how come CGDCT shows and yuri subtext shows rarely have male characters

Yuri shows aren’t catering to the selection bias of western fans you see online. Japanese companies do not make their content based on them.

Yurifags sent death threats over this picture btw.

Most yuri manga are simple romances between two characters, so they barely have other characters to start with, it's not that common in japanese culture for guys to be involved with girls unless there is romantic interest, so male characters are usually family or teachers, with childhood friends being less common, unless there is some gimmick going on where the male character needs to be there, there isn't much justification to have one in yuri stories.

As for CGDCT, people specifically buy stories like this because they don't want a male character in the main cast, this then turned into a meme joke between authors in magazines like kirara where usually every character is usually a girl and usually when guys show up their roles are very limited, like that one guy who showed up in Slow Start who was in love with Eiko just for Eiko to say "who?" to the female teacher she is in love with when she points it out. Or you know family like is the case of Bocchi's father.

Look Mom, I posted it again

Yuuta is very lucky

Yuri fans absolutely hate seeing male characters because it reminds them of the fact that they're male.

4 of the 5 best selling yuri (Citrus, YagaKimi, Dragon Maid, and Murciélago) have male characters in them.

people specifically buy stories like this because they don't want a male character in the main cast

This whole thread started because people are talking about why the audience doesn’t want to see male characters, which obviously isn’t true given your two examples of CGDCT that do have male characters among others.

BL/Yaoi audience is 99% straight women.

Yuri audience is 99% straight men.

With this established, let's proceed.

hah
no, fag

Woah, I never thought Bocchi was a harem anime

Hamaji says that if she writes a man who isn’t gay or married, you could imagine him dating the main cast, which would make readers sad.

It seems obvious that these people just want the characters to be single, makes sense… but what confuses me is when shippers can tolerate pairings with one gender and not the other.

Would Bocchi still be a hit worldwide if she was male from the beginning while everything else stayed the same?

Introducing a new love interest for a work half-way into the manga would completely change the feeling of a work. I can’t imagine non-yurifags would be happy if a heterosexual romance suddenly had one of the love interests randomly turn gay after she lost the MCbowl.

Obviously yes because harem/heterosexual stuff is more popular than CGDCT yuri.

Yuri Hime has a 70% male audience and 30% female. But elsewhere, yuri is published in seinen magazines with 80-90% male audiences

Is there actual data that states these numbers or is it going by assumption?

I forgot to include a “/“ between CGDCT and yuri.

Yurifags are so insecure or self-hating that they get devastated when they see the anime girls they like with other men. This of course also means that they can't self-insert as the male characters, so they just self-insert as the female in yuri pairings instead.
This also leads to trooning out.

That’s what an editor of YH said, which was reconfirmed by an author writing for them recently.

ddnavi.com/interview/420470/a/

いま男女比はだいたい6：4くらいです

And this is probably better than any random anecdote anyone could give.

they get devastated when they see the anime girls they like with other men

There are plently of yuri anime with heterosexual girls in them though? Shows like G-Witch has more heterosexual couples/pairings than yuri ones.

Yuritards really have no life beyond faggotry and getting cucked, huh?

Most people are far less forgiving of the traits bocchi has when it applies to a guy than a cute girl.

You completely missed what I was saying with my post.
Get back to school.

The best rate you’ll find is that Yuri Hime has a 70% male audience and 30% female.

Actually, the data on Yuri Hime's readership that we have is exactly the opposite of this. However, that data was also from years ago, and there's no doubt that things have changed since then with series like YrYr and Asumi running in the magazine now, but there are still numerous series that have a more female audience.

yurifags hate heterosexuality

there are yuri series with heterosexuality

that’s not what I mean

That data is the mid 2000’s, right after they split Yuri Hime into one magazine for guys and one magazine for girls. That interview is from 2016/17, and it was reaffirmed by a yuri author working for them in 2024.

People would've just called male Bocchi an annoying retard with a harem that he does not deserve

Well I think there is a difference between no male characters and no relevant male characters, as for why people don't want to see male characters it should be very obvious, it's a very different dynamic when you have a male character in the group, especially if he is the protagonist.

This goes both ways, try to ship the girls between themselves in a harem thread, see how it works out.

The YH numbers are data they gave up themselves, I think Houbunsha and Dengeki provide similar data from time to time.

Yes, posts like yours for sure lead to trooning out, thanks for pointing out you going to mutilate yourself, lots of popular yuri works have guys, so whatever you are bullshiting isn't true.

but what confuses me is when shippers can tolerate pairings with one gender and not the other.

Confuses? Haven't you noticed that people who feel cucked in general only do so over their own sex. That isn't limited to Yuri audiences but also to whoever watches harem shit where no other male character than the male protagonist exists and the audience would lose it if any of the girls ever flirted with another male, but the harem girls completely feel each other up in the shower and that's okay.

Reverse is just as much true though. But the difference is that a lot of that boys' love is read by the same audience that in general just welcomes love triangles and drama for added drama because drama. It's really standard practice for some kind of villainous rival to show up and come very close to stealing the love interest for drama's sake there.

Lolno. This is the one thing I never got about that yuritranny meme on Anon Babble. From actually interacting with them it's blatantly clear they purely perceive the story from a third person perspective and even pay no attention to who the perspective character is and in fact don't much care about the thoughts and emotions of the characters. They just want to see cute girls have sexual moments without it dirtying them, id est it happening with a male.

Nobody wants to look at disgusting m*les.

i do
2d males are cute

you're gay.

/thread

without it dirtying them, id est it happening with a male.

Which means they consider males (ergo themselves) dirty like does. Hence the eventual trooning out.

Meanwhile it's shonen characters who always troon out

Even Sakamoto who is a fat guy becomes a woman for a whole arc, it's incredible how if you are not reading yuri then yuri are reading tranny shit.

CGDCT needs more crackshipping

Yuri audience is 99% straight men

On the western surface web half of them are women, a quarter are men and the rest are just trannies.

western

irrelevant. Nobody cares about westoids.

No anon, it's the exact same thing as purityfags in general. Yes, they consider a girl who had sex with a male to have lost purity but that doesn't mean they'll troon out. It's the exact same reason that would cause 90% of the people who are watching Takeminne right now to lose it if it were revealed the character weren't a virgin.

This “yuritranny” thing is such complete bullshit. If anything, the genesis of it more so seems to be that they're pretty much just the same as purityfags except they aren't capable of projecting their existence onto a character and experience the story as though it happen to them so for “normal” purityfags the hollow self-insert is the one exception to dirtying the female characters because “they” are that character, but that exception doesn't apply to all those yuroids.

imagine non-yurifags would be happy if a heterosexual romance suddenly had one of the love interests randomly turn gay after she lost the MCbowl.

try to ship the girls between themselves in a harem thread

These people are unlikely to tolerate any non-MC pairing, especially ones that are hetero

Haven't you noticed that people who feel cucked in general only do so over their own sex.

Yes but that’s the confusing part. You feel “cucked” because the girl has been “taken”. This is true for any relationship though.

Your post doesn't adress the fact they tend to rant about "disgusting males", "the purest form of love", etc. Those fags seem to really hate men.

Because you always come with this

But but... there is like one exception.

There always is. I read Yuri-Hime just as much as you do. Let's be honest that male characters really only appear in like 1/4 of the stories in it. That chapter of Android the issue before last was hilarious how even the two police officers had to be female and before that the artist even managed to somehow make it explicit that the chatbot the mad scientist fell in love with was female because even a chatbot has to be female like that makes any sense. Is that all really necessary?

There really are many stories in it where they really go into very unlikely vectors to ensure that every single significant character be female. Of course there are also stories where they don't but those are a minority and those are typically the more dramatic ones.

Yes but that’s the confusing part. You feel “cucked” because the girl has been “taken”. This is true for any relationship though.

Yeah I think it's weird too. Reminds me of the Anon Babble bro but it's not particularly unusual; it's like everywhere.

They do, doesn't mean they're either trannies or self-inserting as any of the female characters. They clearly look at it from an entirely third person perspective and i fact mostly just seem to ignore the thoughts and emotions of the female perspective character and very often don't even seem to realize which of both is the protagonist.

Well anon you shouldn't be upset just because you find way so beautiful, we are not here to judge you.

Because men (and trans women) shippers are even more deranged than women shippers. You can already see the example from just this thread alone.

You're homo if you like males in anime. Bet you like legit homo anime like JoJo as well.

Or Homo x Homo or My gay academia which even backpedaled the ending.

you shouldn't be upset just because you find way so beautiful

What did he mean by this?

They do, doesn't mean they're either trannies or self-inserting as any of the female characters

Yes it does. If they're men but fantasize a world where men don't exist, resent men existing even in fiction, they're loonies and on a countdown to either trooning out or roping out.

Western imageboard, western userbase.
Go argue in 2ch if you want to talk about nips

Okay, so this entire yuritranny shit of yours isn't based on any empirical observation of them actually acting like trannies but just bizarre inductive reasoning with a million leaps of faith and weird unproven assumptions. Basically

Any male who hates males is a tranny

Is what your logic comes down to, which is pretty ridiculous.

The audience of BL is 99% female, the audience of yuri is about 50/50 with some variation depending on the type of yuri. Therefore, naturally, you have some yuri works with more guys and less than others.

Otome

You don't know shit about otome if you think they feature on average more female characters than yuri does male characters.

Of course, you are a retarded tourist who watches no anime of any kind so I guess you couldn't know this.

there is like one exception

Those exceptions are the best selling yuri manga.

Basically

>Any male who hates males is a tranny

Is what your logic comes down to, which is pretty ridiculous.

I agree that it's what my reasoning comes down to and that it's shaky at best, but I don't really see how it's ridiculous. If a man hates being a man so much it makes sense for them to try to stop being a man.

No yurifag hates being a man, it's just a natural heterosexual reaction to see other men a disgusting.

Wishing for a world without men means they either hate themselves or have the mental abilities of a 4yo. No in-between.

It's fanart of a fanfic. How is it offensive enough for that?

You're outing yourself as a closeted homo more and more with each of your posts.

No, it means they want fiction like that. Fiction is not real life.

It’s ridiculous to assume they’re all bottom-surgeried but if a male says they hate males it’s pretty intuitive to imagine they have at the minimum a resentment for the fact that they are male.

it's just a natural heterosexual reaction

The only thing that’s natural for a heterosexual is to be preoccupied with sexual intercourse. You could say men are generally more repulsed by each other’s bodies than woman are, but this should never ever be a problem for someone who doesn’t process all visual information ever in the exact same way he processes pornography

I love being a man.

Yurifags doing yurifag things.

Closet troons
Normal dude.

Because it didn’t happen.

So you're gay, gotcha.

Wishing for a world without men

You know those stories are not real, right? And that most of those stories have guys anyway even if they are irrelevant?

I'm starting to think you are afraid of men vanishing from fiction and you losing the thing you love the most, it's fine if you are homosexual, but it's bot goof to be paranoid, no one is taking your boys away

rarely have male characters

Guards, this woman has lost her composure.

No i'm not, I love being a man and i want to have sex with cute girls.

What’s the contradiction here? Lots of people enjoy fantasies about rape. But they wouldn’t want to rape someone in real life.

He is for a hag teacher.

You don't know shit about otome if you think they feature on average more female characters than yuri does male characters.

Yeah they do. They love interests are all male but there are usually quite a few female characters, friend or foe.

They don't hate being male; they hate seeing males in their cartoons.

And they don't self-insert into the female characters either which is really obvious when you hear them talk. They also in general don't give a shit about infidelity or the protagonist getting cucked so long as it be with another female.

It’s ridiculous to assume they’re all bottom-surgeried but if a male says they hate males it’s pretty intuitive to imagine they have at the minimum a resentment for the fact that they are male.

No it isn't. It's really weird logic on your part, they just hate seeing males in their fiction. Sometimes people are attracted to shit they aren't themselves. I love rapechads, in fiction, doesn't mean I hate myself for not being a rapist and would rather be one; that's silly. People can be attracted to all sorts of trade they are not and that doesn't mean they hate themselves for not being that. Wanting to be something and finding something attractive are two very different things.

How unhinged are japanese yurifags?

Very, though they usually try to fuck you in silence by pretty much calling everyone you work with.

fujos make omegaverse where guys can have babies with other guys

no one cares

yurifags make a few series where guys exist as background characters

everyone accuses them of hating men

People are so fragile.

It's really weird logic on your part, they just hate seeing males in their fiction.

I like how you say it’s weird logic and then immediately posit “They JUST hate males in their fiction!” as if that’s completely normal. What’s the magical distinction between seeing a male on a manga page versus seeing one at the grocery store or in the mirror, why shit your diaper over one but not the other?
If a yurifag makes a thread stating “STEINS:GATE and every other show would be better if they removed the men because I hate men!!!” the next question is going to be “why?”.

“STEINS:GATE and every other show would be better if they removed the men because I hate men!!!” the next question is going to be “why?”.

Maybe because they’re not a fan of the tropes that are commonly employed by male characters in fiction that they see in other genres. Either they are too pathetic or don’t have much of a personality.

fujos make omegaverse where guys can have babies with other guys

no one cares

People lost their shit when the omegaverse anime came out and "exposed" them to the concept of omegaverse. It was that season's go-to punching bag and was being made fun of in anime circles. Not to mention, the show was review bombed. This comparison doesn't work.

accuses them of hating men

It's no longer accusation when they admitted it themselves.
Scroll up and see for yourself. Did you even read the thread?

Yet no one brings it up here. There are far more omagaverse fujo stuff that yuri where the entire universe is female yet yurifags are the ones with the reputation for hating men.

hating males

Absolutely based. We need to send all males to the moon or Mars or somewhere.

i don't think anyone fundamentally disagrees with that statement

The point is in the comparison. There are probably more fujos out there that identify themselves as “non-binary” than tranny yurifags yet where are all the posts saying fujos hate girls?

You don’t mean that bro you just mean “certain weak male tropes” you actually love solo leveling

They don't hate being male; they hate seeing males in their cartoons.
Anon, this sounds completely deranged. I'm surprised that you somehow act like this as something that's "acceptable" and you tried to rationalize this behavior.

Okay. Lets start with you.

What’s your favourite yuri work? Assuming you aren’t a shitposter of course.

Yuru Yuri

Why do you like it? Do you imagine fucking the girls yourself?

I mean, sure, after the season concluded, Anon Babble didn't continually poke around because they don't give a rat's ass about something they aren't exposed to it as much. But it is false to say "no one cares" especially when the community that does like it gets trolls and haters up to their faces even if they want to avoid them. It goes beyond complaining on an irrelevant board like this. Both sides get the short end of the stick.

Yet no one brings it up here.

I have never had a meaningful interaction with a fujo on this website, probably ever. I don’t even know where I’d have to go to find one. They’re probably not even significantly present in 801. If they were in my CGDCT threads all fucking day trolling and shitting on the girls I’d probably give it more mindshare.

People made fun of it but they didn’t say that fujos hated girls. It’s true that some people do care (that was an exaggeration), but people are far more focused on the yurifag question than the fujo question even when there’s plently of material to talk about.

Fujoshis aren't obsesed with purity. It's even common the seme is a womanizer before meeting the uke

if they were in my CGDCT threads all fucking day trolling and shitting on the girls I’d probably give it more mindshare

Yurifags are not in CGDCT threads shitting on male characters. Stuff like Bocchi the Rock has two guys and yurifags don’t shit on them.

I never said it was normal or that I liked them. I just said it's really weird to conclude that they must be trannies or self-inserting into the girls based on that.

And you say “why why why” but apparently your logic doesn't hold because it's super common. They don't get mad when they see a male at the grocery and if they have any friends at all, you can bet all of them are male. In fact, they sort of seem to hate it if females go into their fiction spaces and “ruin it for them” so apparently it doesn't work like that and I'm not sure why you think it does.

hate it if females go into their fiction spaces and “ruin it for them”

The female yuri fanbase is heavily sentimentalized.

Yurifags are more annoying that's all.

Where am I saying it's acceptable?
I'm just saying they're not trannies and that the logic that they are is idiotic. That's all.

You probably have. You just assume everyone you're talking with through a screen is male.

You probably talked with a fujo about completely random shit unrelated to any of that like Attack on Titan plot holes many times without realizing it.

This too. If anything, it's a common trope to show how they basically went through many females which makes the relationship between them more special and moving.

Also

seme

uke

I find it hilarious that all those males who watch yuri get accused of being trannies but the opposite rarely happens because there's far more to back that idea up. A lot of the fanbase is autoandrophilic to say the least. It's pretty obvious the protagonist, 99% of the time the uke is written like a giant self-insert most of the time and basically written like a flat female with a dick who acts and thinks like a maiden and the comment section is typically full of “Aah man, I wish I were a boy sometimes when I read this kind of stuff.” type comments.

In yuri, the protagonist is pretty much never written like a male with tits. For one, most of the artists are female, and the male artists don't do that either. If anything, the rapey love interest more often is when the both the artist and target audience are not-so-subtly females who sort of fantasize about the taboo-aspect of falling in love with another female but also still want that female to be tall, dark and handsome and act like a male.

fujos hated girls

It was a dumb comparison meant to evoke some sort of responses, so I couldn't care less either way about that topic.

but people are far more focused on the yurifag question than the fujo question

Again, Anon Babble isn't exposed to it as much, which is why the fujo question doesn't get brought up as much. But Anon Babble, specifically Anon Babble, is an irrelevant board to the community at large. I'm stating the community at large has far more sway and power and does awful shit that goes beyond what the typical Anon Babble-fag does here to a bunch of groups including those who like omegaverse.
Plus, talking about omegaverse in a place where it doesn't get brought up even by fans isn't a proper comparison. So no shit certain yuri fans get brought up, because they actually exist here. So that omegaverse and single gender comparison in the first place is strange because both can get especially vile where fans are present.