What are some of the most controversial losses in anime/manga? As in...

lol man, watching Joey lose that tournament like that stung like hell. I could only compare it to seeing Ash lose the Kalos league.

Risotto is the most infuriating one of the three.
At least Joey "won" and Lee basically got Gaara shitting himself despite only relying on his taijutsu and testosterone.
Meanwhile Risotto had multiple chances to fuck Dippio up, he could've cut off Doppio's limbs at the very start but noooo instead we get some showboating then jobbing to that annoying fag's airplane stand.

He got cocky

robby vs axel

The worst will always be this, from the fight's writing itself to the greater narrative.
A finish so fucking bad the loser effectively gets revived 2 chapters later to win the "rematch" offscreen.

The hero was Naruto and he wasn't allowed to triumph.

I'm not going to help you with your jewtube video man do your own research.

Fuck this faggot for never letting Lee do anything in Shippuden.

She could defeat them with 1 finger but bullsh*t plot got her.

Nero vs Doppio

If you wanna put a jojo fight there at least put kosaku kawajiri final fight, that shit was stupid it felt like araki just wanted to end the part.

Weather vs Pucci. Sure yadayada fate but it still stinks.

Every time Erza won.

If Lee had fought, he would have died in vain.

smart character

Gohan

Fucking lol

previous panel saying "gojo wins" to the next panel showing gojo being dead isn't an asspull

In literally no other manga has someone gone from being declared the winner to being dead in a single panel

but then some bullshit happened

Gaara is a demigod with his jinjuriki powers. but it's a great fight non the less. just like mentioning Gojo, this is bait at best.

The hero was Naruto and he wasn't allowed to triumph.

lowkey i agree but Guy being alive has a very special in my head canon sequel of naruto

Joey is the only correct example in your pic

Pain felt like his only true triumph.

Opened a dog shit hand since his luck finally ran out

Marik was toying with him the entire match

Joey should've won that

Joey had grit and luck that's it, he was a fucking moron in all regards.

lowkey i agree but Guy being alive has a very special in my head canon sequel of naruto

? But he is alive after the war.
Also kys dumb zoomer retard.

Obviously we can't just have the side characters beat the main villain of the arc, but the way Saito and Sano lost to Shishio felt really sloppy. It's funny, because Aoshi just sort of gave up instead of getting beaten because when he had the chance to use his best move, he just realized, "I'm probably too tired to pull this off and he clearly sees it coming, so I'm cooked." It was lame, but at least it wasn't as lazy.

How? He needed the 9-Tails take-over to prevent him from losing, then he needed Daddy to prevent the 9-Tails from completely taking over, then he needed my plot convenience book written by Jiraiya to convince the antagonist to just abandon his life long pursuit. Then the cherry on top is Pain deciding to revive everyone, so nobody really lost anything. Gaara is Naruto's only real triumph.

? But he is alive after the war.

yes. the point is that Guy should have died after opening his 8 gates. but naruto asspulled almighty healing to rob him off his glorious death.

Also kys dumb zoomer retard.

why lol

Gojo jobbed throughout all the manga, including in various moments of his final fight with an enemy saving energy to fight others after him. The panel you are referring to isn't from the narrator, but a non omniscient character and Gojo's death is obvious made in a way to shock the readers.
Billions of asspulls from both sides in the fight is fair criticism, but the death itself is not

Zoomer ebonics are cringe

Isn’t he a biologist with a degree?

Agreed

I was rooting for Madara to win. I held to the cope that he activated the infinite tsukuyomi until I finally warmed up to Boruto by Naruto vs Delta (manga only. Fuck the anime)

He apparently thinks ants can go super saiyan. I wouldn't trust his degree.

Who says they can’t in the world of Dragon Ball?

Well, they're ants. They're not saiyans. You can't be a super saiyan if you're not a saiyan.

would've been better if gaara had just tanked it
the switchout was poor writing

liking Boruto

Grim

jobbed

whenever you read that word be prepared for the most retarded take ever

like clockwork

He didn’t say they were saiyans you dolt. He said that they have a transformation similar to super saiyans.

Obviously we can't just have the side characters beat the main villain of the arc, but the way Saito and Sano lost to Shishio felt really sloppy.

I'd argue that was one of the better examples. They were both tired and broken from their own earlier fights and Shishioh took Kenshin down too. I think a lot of people overlook the fact that not even Kenshin won. He managed to get back up but the fight ended beacause Shishioh's condition made him explode.

Yeah, this. A better example from Naruto would be picrel.

Naruto larping as le talentless hard working underdog fighting a naturally-talented genius

uses the power of the tailed beast inside him that he was born with to win with one hit and negates all the damage Neji dealt onto him

is later revealed to be the reincarnation of ninja Jesus

meanwhile Neji is a jobber who is much weaker than actual geniuses like Itachi or Minato

If you're going to take away what few wins he has over using Kyubi, then he absolute nothing left.

This.

ermm that's just a little girl but ackchually she's ultra powerfulll

What the fuck kind of faggot manga is this.

The designs are very tryhard

There's a difference between him using the 9-tails and the 9-tails taking him over. Also, Gaara fight.

that he was born with

He wasn't born with it.

uses the power of the tailed beast inside him

This isn't a "talent" and took hard work to do, since at the time having a tailed beast made you a glorified suicide bomber.

revealed to be the reincarnation of ninja Jesus

Being the reincarnation did not preclude him becoming powerful. There were others before him that never amounted to anything. All it meant was that he was destined to continue a Cain-and-Abel cycle of violence, which he broke by NOT killing Sasuke.

That criticism could also apply to Yami Malik though. Instead of trying to play with a strategy that will net him the win in the actual way, you know with life point to 0, he instead went for a "let's try and outright kill the opponent" approach. It was by sheer luck that Joey passed out before he could declare an attack that Malik could do fuck all against had it gone through.

This isn't a "talent" and took hard work to do, since at the time having a tailed beast made you a glorified suicide bomber.

Going by this retarded logic, no one is born talented because even the "natural geniuses" have to train to get strong even if they have talent.

Being the reincarnation did not preclude him becoming powerful.

It literally fucking did, lmao. Maybe not necessarily in this fight, but him getting an asspull powerup by Hagoromo during the war because he is a reincarnation is the whole reason he was able to stop Kaguya.

Who actually believes Ichigo was a normal guy? Are we acting like he didn't send 6 guys to the hospital or saw spirits from the get go?

NTA but yeah towards the end it allows him to wield special powers, this had nothing to do with his beginnings or the fight with Neji though.

Does being pedantic make you feel smart?

Shishio had what you call COMPOSURE

It still proved Neji right.

Wew lad, look at the soft skin on this one

he says while getting emotional over a question

responding means you're emotional

I think you should take a break from the internet kiddo.

asking a question means you're emotional

I think you should take a break from the internet kiddo.

Lol as soon as Ichigo gets his zanpakuto, Rukia was wanking it off. He was exceptional from the very start

You lost

Naruto was still an underdog socially that is. Naruto regardless of what positives he did wasn't truly accepted by the village until he defeated pain.

You got emotional, which answered my question. Keep being pedantic to feel smart :)

I won

Here’s a tip: next time, instead of showing how emotional you are, just say “yes”. It’s genuinely a better response to a question like that and doesn’t make it obvious that they got under your skin. This is actual advice.

seething so hard you respond twice

You lost lol

I already won the argument nothing else matters

Naruto was still an underdog socially that is

What does that even mean to you? Naruto was an underdog in the popularity contest? Him being a supposed pariah was pretty much completely irrelevant by the time the chuunin exams were over.

Well, you’re openly weeping at this point while I’m calm and collected, so you can have the last word, I know you won’t get any sleep tonight if you don’t get it. Make it a good one, kiddo (I won’t see it anyway), and try not to be so emotional :)

Well, I mean there's another way...

Oh shut the fuck up already.
Neji was born with the ability to kill people with a single touch. It is nowhere near close.

Neji was born with the ability to kill people with a single touch

No he wasn't

What Rao's men did in defiance of his orders was not wrong.

Are we gonna act like hyugas aren't explicitly dangerous as fuck because of their ability to fuck with chakra pathways

No, but they aren't born with the ability. They still need to train, and it's only because of their eyes they know where to attack you. It's like saying Kabuto was born with the abiltiy to create chakra scalpels that can instantly kill you.

>Naruto larping as le talentless

naruto was absolutely talentless for years. he had potential that he had to work for. if he used the Kyubi more when he was younger he would be overtaken. that's why he had to be watched over by Yamato a woodmaster.

>meanwhile Neji is a jobber

saying jobber unironically. Neji is the definition of a genius, he could use his magic eyes from the start. he literally had to be sealed to avoid raising up the family ladder.

>is later revealed to be the reincarnation of ninja Jesus

Kaguya's ungrateful son had to bless him first.

Does being pedantic make you feel smart?

bro you are saying ragebait nonsense and get insulted on top. naruto was a glorified vessel for most of the series. he had to be trained by 4 masters to become who he was.

Motherfucker Kakashi in like episode 10 said Naruto had more chakra than him. So either Naruto is ultra gifted with massive reserves or the fox was giving him chakra. The only reason he can spam shadowclones is because of the fox. Whenever Naruto is outmatched he uses fox to bail himself out.

Motherfucker

*looking for the argument

Naruto is gifted, he had bigger chakra reserves than a Jonin at the age of 12

Naruto is gifted,

you went from "Naruto larping as le talentless" to gifted. i accept your concession.

i actually think the doppio win was well done thematically and represents a pretty big switch in tone and stakes, the entire sequence culminating in abbacchio's death invoked a strong sense of dread for me, so i cant say that i think its poorly done, but i did stand up from my chair and go COME ON when aerosmith showed up

slang changes with each new gen, every generation hates the way the new generation sounds, its just you getting old

I didn't mind Rock Lee losing but Satsuke copying Rock Lee's moves to overwhelm Gaara in their fight was fucking retarded from what I remember, like how the fuck do you copy physical fitness/strength?

No this fight is ass because Neji got fucking laid out after one punch despite wailing on Nardo for the better part of an hour

i literally wrote that post and i didn't use any "ebonics". a lot of words and expressions are regularly introduced into the common vernacular you may not know about. don't call them zoomer slag because you don't recognize them. ESLs are so thin skinned.

No this fight is ass

literally why this fight is awesome. neji lost because he was blinded by arrogance.

I WILL NEVER STOP BEING MAD

Ichigo from episode 1 can beat multiple men effortlessly and is the only human that can see ghosts. He’s special from the jump. Naruto can also cast shadow clones and beat a chunin from the get go. His potential was recognized and the the audience can compare his likeness to the fourth hokage. Hard work isn’t a primary theme to these series. Shonen haters are fucking retarded.

is the only human that can see ghosts.

that makes him traumatized not special lol.

Shonen haters are fucking retarded.

you sound like a shounen hater tho because you keep repeating the same nonsense.

His sister Karin also has a degree of spiritual awareness. It’s a talent, not something related to trauma. With that said, there’s nothing wrong with an MC that is gifted.

>Naruto larping as le talentless hard working underdog fighting a naturally-talented genius

Bro. Neji was fucking lucky that Naruto didn't spam his 1000 clones on his ass like he did to that hobbo from chapter one.

hisoka asspull vs chrollo
zeke asspull vs levi

I will NOT be manga shamed over liking Boruto.

Risotto only got as far as he did because Diavolo wanted to nerf himself for no reason other than the stupid “I got to protect muh identity” thing. Unless you have the arrow of asspull King Crimson is literally invincible and can destroy everyone in one karate chop. There’s no reason why Diavolo should give a shit about people knowing his identity, he isn’t like Kira trying to live a normal life. The whole fight was completely pointless.

Neji was fucking lucky

it's just the most clowned series since DB GT that's barely recognized as a real shounen more like a corporate push to keep the franchise going. it's badly written and soulless

The whole point of Diavolo's character is that his obsession with hiding his identity is irrational and self-destructive anon; you're not uncovering some plot hole here.

no one is born talented because even the "natural geniuses" have to train to get strong even if they have talent.

True. I'm glad you finally understand.

That’s the point with Diavolo, he’s self destructive. It’s like criticizing Kira for murdering girls while Jotaro was hunting him down or gloating like a retard and revealing his identity, that’s the point of Kira too

Just like how Risotto constantly told his men to remain calm and not let emotions get the better of him only for him to lose his composure at the moment of the kill and become angry. Risotto made a mistake and lost because he quit following his own advice out of pride