Romance for girls:

romance for girls:
- constant sexual themes
- lusting after guys
- violence and intrigues
- graphical rape scenes
- sex with animals
- cheating just seen as a tool
- own happiness > everything else

romance for boys:
- wholesome
- blushing from handholding
- only minor sexual jokes
- 2 seasons until first kiss
- loyal for life, even after she left
- girl's happiness > everything else

why are girls like this?

Romance for girls: give girls what they want
Romance for boys: tell boys what to want (plus add some gay fanservice for fujos)

Now post the TRUE romance story

Guy on the left has some huge hands.

The best romance is when the protagonist is a shy meek girl and the guy is a huge asshole manipulator who has to get saved by her close friends

That's lie. ROmance for boys has tons of fanservice while most shoujo is as mild as milk.

So... what exactly is the difference between women literature and men?

I heard that women literature is all about a rich handsome chad fall in love with a not like the other girls chick, right?

left

good looking guy

right

creep

easy to differentiate

There's plenty of both in stuff aimed at guys and girls. Anon Babble gravitates to shoujo and josei smut though and generalizes it to everything.

Now post the yaoi and yuri edits

So... what exactly is the difference between women literature and men?

it's simply a different POV for the exact same situations

this ordinary (but actually hot) girl is now my sex slave!

oh no an ordinary (but extremely good in bed) guy made me his sex slave this is terrible haha

men want to live out their sexual fantasy, women want an excuse to live out their sexual fantasy

sex with animals

I noticed this too. What's up with that?

Women like degradation.

Are you telling that every story is just the writer's barely disguised fetishes?

Yes

men want to build and create
romance is just a distraction

Reminder for the simps

Romance for boys sounds annoying as fuck

Ignore the hoes, instead have fun hanging out with your bros.

a bro that wont betray you for a hoe

That's what I call pure fiction.

Because you're on Anon Babble so all the romance for girls you encounter is posted by chads, and a lot of the romance for boys you encounter is posted by the biggest losers ever.

This in particular took some getting used to for me interacting with some other boards where most of the foids are pathetic losers too so all the romance they consume is innocent fluffy shit as well.

Plenty of shit like Scum's Wish, Boy's Abyss, Aki-Sora and all that other stuff with sex in pretty much the first chapter, male protagonist that aren't completely faceless and just general stuff that reads “The target audience is sexhavers, not losers” stamped on it also exists.

also rape and abuse, tons of rape and abuse, can't sell smut for women without those key ingredients

stuff with sex

Porn?

AIEEEEEEEEEE

Not necessarily, it may also happen off screen or in a heavily implied way but they still actually have it.

Basically, many people on Anon Babble seem to think that “romance for males” is constantly that kind of turboloser targeting shit like Nagatoro. In reality things like Darling in the Franxx were obviously far bigger and far more popular. I wouldn't call that porn and the sex scenes were heavily censored and off-screened.

To be fair, rape is pretty hot.

Bitches be crazy.

I really liked how Darling in the Franxx explored teen lust and the inevitable force that is human nature. Despite knowing nothing about sex or relationships, that couple let their instincts guide them through the path hardcoded into their genes.
It was a refreshing contrast from all the hyper sanitized, unnatural social dogma that treats teenagers as toddlers.

Cuckold in the Franxx was not aimed at turbolosers

lol

I know, but enjoying rape as a theme or trope is rarer amongst men than with women, imo. The stigma and higher scrutiny that media aimed at men might play a big part in it though.
self inserting is for low intellect monkeys, you were presented with themes to be contemplated and explored, a soup of turbulent and nature-driven human dynamics of young people at the coming of age

Call it what you like. It's nothing like Nagatoro or what the original poster described. They kiss in the first episode.

Also, that cucking existed as in actual real love drama and triangles rather than the usual “Muh I am a super plain loser but I have zero romantic competition and my harem is in love with my unconditionally” is exactly why it wasn't targeted at total losers.

That too, a big part of the plot was the coming of age story and normal teenage desires they were never taught about. Basically a warning why sex ed is needed. I didn't even realize it at first but in hindsight it was kind of funny how they went into doggystyle sex pilot position for the first time and they didn't realize at all what they were doing because they probably didn't even realize sex existed.

cuck

tiyo

kunrei-shiki HATE

277792808

you contribute nothing to this thread

Cocona's cucking was fun.

there's also the broader message that men and women are made for, need and compliment each other, which I liked
Darling had a several appeals to higher concepts beneath the gratuitous fanservice

- sex with animals

Oh yeah? What manga then?

Shame it became a meme and a point of trolling, but the ending was shit and that didn't help.

Never having read the glorious Princess of Ecstatic Island

Abducted into a reality dating show with 8 violent rape criminals at an abandoned island.

Most of them younger than you and you knew most of them from an orphanage when you were still younger which is of course super essential because you remember them all as a head taller and cute and sweet but now they're violent rape criminals.

Rape

Forced heat

Raped in front of others

Bestiality

Threesome rape

Some more rape

Flashbacks how they got raped themselves as children

Tentacle rape

Violent criminal gore and maiming

Some more rape

It's very good.

that anime had as many positives as it did negatives

"romance for girls"

"romance for guys"

Ask me how I know you are retarded

How do you know?

that's what she gets for being a dyke. The story had a strong nature-is-the-way message, of course the lesbian got punished

left girl is a fujo

right girl is homophobic

I’m a girl and the thing is we like both. The more deranged stuff is pure fantasy like being raped without having control but it doesn’t mean we actually want it to happen to us. Like most romance targeted towards girls way more normal cheesy stuff.

lesbian named Ikuno that gets punished by the story

Damn, is that a common thing?

I’m a girl

Cock or GTFO

I guess we are treading Anon Babble waters here but I'll give you my thoughts on how I see the situation, not that you asked but anyway
The first thing is that when people discuss something they tend to generalize, because you can't/ it's really hard to get your point across while not doing so.
Another thing that happens is that people want validation, so any thing that confirms or reinforces their point of view even slightly is overblown to the 100x degree
The real world situation is fucking dire, this is a fact, zoomers are fucked. People in the west are individualistic/egocentric as hell, and they become more and more so as time goes on.
Relationship dynamics are all over the place. There is no baseline way of forging relashionships anymore. Sure, the normal way of guy approaches the girl is still the norm, but it has been eaten alive by the different parts of screeches, from feminists to griefters, to gym bros to whatever else.
So, guys who are ahead of the curve might still be ok, because they manage, but every other guy who is lacking in something is just lost.

All this applies to women as well in some way shape or form

This all makes that now you have people who failed, are failing, and become bitter with the world. They escape to the internet and try to find validation and a scapegoat reason to blame, which most times is the other gender

All romance is generally consumed by girls, and whatever dainty, soppy touchy feely story that the people on here consider "romance for guys" has an overwhelmingly female audience probably.
There is no such thing as "romance for girls" and "romance for guys". Its a fantasy to push a pretty dumb point.

it doesn’t mean we actually want it to happen to us

Sure bro

Men fantasize about things they wouldn't do irl constantly

Even outside of sex stuff, most fantasize about being a war hero or committing acts of violence despite being too scared to be in those situations

Lmao little bro is 13 years old and still thinks romance is only for girls. You do realize that the overwhelming majority of romantic fiction in human history is aimed at men do you?

Now put the girls together. DO IT

But most of us do want to be a hero and commit acts of violence and crime. Sure, not everyone, but still a lot.

Cool. Can you name one romance that is "for men", and explain how the stories and themes discount women as an audience?

But you haven't joined the army, have you?

I can kinda see your point. Many guys fantasize about having a crazy yandere gf who would literally murders all girls they know.
And others fantasize about being the fat ugly bastard with the power to hypnotize lolis and turn them into sex toys.

The men who fantasize about being a hero and dying for those they love but don't have the courage to do so wish they did.

"Love is Blind" by Quzilax.
Read it and you'll see why women (at least western ones) wouldn't be interested.

Didn't read but both left and right are hot.

The stigma and higher scrutiny that media aimed at men might play a big part in it though.

Society is by betas for the continuation of betas, and rape is not nice per the beta. So betas outlawed it. Problem is, beta's let go of patriarchy that was keeping women in check, so alphas are now allowed to run roughshod over everything, and beta society is crumbling.

self insert

Female behavior. Men/boys direct, women self-insert. It's why we call toys "action figures" instead of dolls. No male self-inserts, any male that does is part of the tranny pipeline. That is why games with an anime girl as the protag sell to men, or Croft, or any other title - men AREN'T self inserting. If they did, half the game industry would tank, with only the character creators surviving.

The first thing is that when people discuss something they tend to generalize, because you can't/ it's really hard to get your point across while not doing so.

I don't know, when those people see Dead Tube or Everyone's Toy they just say

Wow, this is sick shit lol, who wrote this edgy garbage?

And that's it, they don't go on a tirade about muh men this men that muh men. It seems very easy to do this to me.

has an overwhelmingly female audience probably.

I read some stats and many of them have like over 90% male readers. In particular, Nisekoi was one of the few romance titles in Jump at the time and apparently the least popular with its female readers with only 15% reading it, and that was in a magazine with 53% female readers at the time.

You don't actually think there are many foids interested in watching these ultra plain males be lusted after by hot girls for no reason right? The issue is that these titles are barely romance stories to begin with. Someone here once called it “waifu buffet” to distinguish it from actual harem and romance and that's what's going on. There is no real romance in the plot most of the time, it's just cute girls acting flirty with an unbelievably plain loser without any of the normal plot developments and scenes that are common to romance titles.

It's a good anti-feminist message to try to get the sexes to get back with each other. Shame it didn't work.

Pretty much all of them? Like what do you want me to list here exactly when that applies to over 90% of all shounen romance manga? Your theory that these are read by an "overwhelmingly female audience" is just plain wrong. Why would they sell those in shounen magazines aimed at boys if they would make much more money selling them to girls? Do you even know the market and sale numbers? Girls aren't as interested in romance as you think they are, that doesn't mean they aren't interested at all but they aren't the main target audience for a reason.

it's another women are... le bad ragebait thread by retard that has never read romance for girls thread

Groundhog day was 2 months ago.

Let me put it like this:
If a man would get 100% confirmation from god that he won't get any repercussions and that he can create his ideal power fantasy irl, what would he do?
If a woman would get 100% confirmation from god that she won't get any repercussions and that she can create her ideal sex fantasy irl, what would she do?

the only reason fantasies remain fantasies is because most people realize the real world is not built to suit the fantasy, what is this argument even? You can't achieve the whole fantasy irl just by wishing alone, factors outside you limit you

I fantasize about it but not REALLY, okay?

I always thought this was funny.

I don't know, when those people see Dead Tube or Everyone's Toy they just say

Wow, this is sick shit lol, who wrote this edgy garbage?

Idk who those people are, if you show that shit to "femcels" or any feminist, odds are they will say shit about men

why are men like this?

Protip: we don't need to melt down over edgy men because society at large does this EVERY. FUCKING. DAY. Constant threads are had about incel this, incel that here on Anon Babble. Articles hand wringing over it is all over the MSM. Reddit is full of it. Anon Babble is full of it. News is full of it. Social media is full of it. There were threads about it this morning.

There is no need for anon to pen more posts about men, everyone else has already written fucking books on the subject.

But everyone is dead quiet when it comes to edgy degen women. You have to look hard for any commentary about bad women. It's banned, blacklisted, and not served to you via algorithm all over the internet. It's even banned HERE, jannies and mods will give you bans for it. That is why people care to post about muh women.

You want to get raped but by a chad and not a turboloser do you?

Are all these threads about feeling sorry for ourselves or pretending we're not by circlejerking

How interesting, they are both saying the same thing with slightly different speech patterns, and the "fat bastard" guy has softer speech. Which I suppose makes sense since he would be less confident.

By the way, they are both saying
"From now on you are my thing", but Glasses guy uses Kimi for "You" and Boku for "me" and Shojo Prince guy is using Omae and Ore

"girls aren't as interested in romance" is complete nonsense. Don't tell me that anime like "Kimi no na wa" has a negligible female audience because there is no slapping or choking or animal sex. The big romance shows has a pretty gender neutral audience, probably leaning towards female.
Like I said, the very idea of "romance for girls" and "romance for boys" is just a hamfisted attempt at making a point.

You could also try being original or add something positive yourself if you really want to have this thread but don't like how it's going.

I mean, look at the OP
And tell me if there is anything worth saying here other than completly ignoring him and doing your own thing, by which point why not make a thread yourself?

more deranged stuff is pure fantasy

This is a cope. If you said I could isekai transport from this gay earth and get OP abilities plus a fuckable harem, I'd fucking do it in a heartbeat. I don't care that it's work to support the harem, that's the cost of having fun with multiple women.

I get the whole thing about not wanting to go into anything grimdark or stuff with bad ends - that comes from schadenfreude and enjoying other people's suffering. But not wanting something from pure masturbatory fantasy is a lie.

You are literally 13 years old and have no idea about genre demographics. Don't worry, you will grow out of it, I was like that too. And yes, Kimi no na wa was aimed at guys and the majority of sales was done by... guys. Just because girls can also watch it doesn't change the target audience and sale numbers.

Can't disagree with that. They're just much rarer but I see that stuff from time to time. Also the dreaded idiocy of calling deuteragonists the main character just because they're their own sex though at least they mostly keep to their own world when they do that but it's still obnoxious.

At least, I've never unironically actually seen a foid walk into a thread about Darling in the Franxx and start calling Zero Two the main character rather than Hiro. But I see it from time to time in comment sections around foidslop titles with a male protagonist that some readers somehow failed to see that the entire story takes place from the perspective of the male characters, and they almost always also reveal in their comment that their only interest in the story is romance escapism.

Anon, you realize that when people bitch about incels they aren't talking about males right? Did you actually think that was some kind of attack on males in general?

And no, people hardly ever go into the comment section of the edgiest moidslop romance they can find with the most deranged yandere love interest and then be like

AHA, this proves it, this shows what males really like, all males like this!

They're just like

Wow, who likes this deranged shit lol?

Sure. Believe whatever you want. You've already made up your mind. All the men are flocking to kimi no, while all the women are flocking to the choking animal sex movie and this says a lot about SOCIETY.
Pat yourself on the back for making an insane, deranged point.

You didn't even read what I said or you would've seen that I literally said the opposite of that. You can watch Shinkai's other movies like 5 Centimeters per Seconds or Garden of Words, both are very obvious exclusively aimed at guys. Authors almost never change their target audience once they have settled for one. None of this implies that girls can't ALSO watch any of this.

BRING BACK THIS ARTSTYLE!

You think that the only reason that these films are "aimed at men" is because of the lack of choke rape. And I can't convince you that that is an insane thing to think. So what the fuck ever, I guess

this anon is right about the self insert shit, I agree insecure men go livid about any imperfection of the mc

nta but if you genuinely believe that romance works, a fucking product, is not catered and done to a subset of people you are delusional
there might be one guy that enjoys smut made for women, that doesn't change the fact the smut for women is made for women
way to move a goalpost

It’s literally true!

When you engage in rape hentai you are still ultimately in control of the situation. The whole concept of being raped is hot fictionally only. You can stop reading or watching the media anytime you want. There is a physical barrier between you in real life with the fictional characters getting raped. Ultimately it’s your choice that you want to be raped in that situation so it’s hot.

In reality it’s different because you aren’t in control. You don’t know if the guy is going to kill you or not. You don’t know what’s going to happen next. You’re not in control in what’s going to happen. There is no barrier from the written doujinshi. It’s just you being violated and it is extremely traumatizing.

The lads amenity.

You are the only person here constantly talking about choke rape I don't know what that has to do with anything.

This. Rape and monster guy/girl stories (outside of Bear and urban legends) have been around for ages, but I strongly suspect the choking shit is astroturfed from DDLG branching off of BDSM in the 2010s, much like how Jewish depravity is reflected in pushing tranny/pseudoincest/blacked porn in the same era. That one Pornhub study reports that 56% of women admit to having been influenced by porn to be into that. And that's just the percentage who are self aware enough, which is usually a drop in the water.

According to the OP, what makes a romance aimed at women is:

- constant sexual themes
- lusting after guys
- violence and intrigues
- graphical rape scenes
- sex with animals
- cheating just seen as a tool
- own happiness > everything else

And yes. It's true. That does sound completely absurd when you think about it for more than three seconds. That's my whole point. This whole thread is absurd.

Lust is the root of all evil

Lol

fag no one here is defending the OP, or even talking about it, anons are rightfully bashing your shit take here your whole post is nonsense

Are you a woman by any chance?

This. Anon Babble is infested with newfags and election tourists never getting over their culture shock and taking bait.

I fap to depraved shit

Fine, enjoy it.

I fap to wholesome shit

Fine, enjoy it.

NTA but rape and monsters are, in fairness, a popular power fantasy for both sexes (e.g. Rance, Shield Hero, Anne Rice, conquering, most hentai centered around NTR). Asians take their equally balanced deviance in stride unlike Western feminists who use it as a pissing contest for the moral high ground.
End of discussion. Mods, kill this thread.

You could tweak this into a pasta about yaoi/yuri and watch the world burn.

We're all little girls here.

faggot

No matter how you spin it, Franxx still had a bland normal guy MC with nothing special about him have a super hot girl basically fall from the sky onto his dick
Give me one where the MC is actually the one who chases the girl and isn't a completely passive bitch and I'd admit it's not for losers

good point

for the record i agree with you, these kinds of threads have been done to death, there's nothing new to say, but it is what it is, there will be more tomorrow, and the day after that, ad nauseum
but you are still a fag

Sometimes you will find new good points in the same old threads. After all, 99% of all threads have been done before.

How?

Speaking as a yurifag, why would I care? I like fujos better than other posters.

I just know
agree

It's more than that. Rape hentai is fictional so if a fiction was created that took the characters and setting and made it not about rape and degradation then it is transformed. Mangaka, Hentai VN creators, and anime studios right now are "tweaking" their properties into not being about rape/extreme sexual situations and people are eating that shit up.

MC is actually the one who chases the girl and isn't a completely passive bitch

Those two characters traits can overlap though. A male main character should ultimately have a goal they put effort towards and his relationship with women should complement his resolve. Chasing women is a loser way of thinking. Being top dog in a community/culture and making women want you is the best take.

Girls dont need wholesomeness the have a protector.
Men are the protector anyway thou they look for wholesomeness.

In a non-combative way. I literally feel like this doesn't matter. Like for example the image I posted is basically a wish fulfillment power fantasy manga about a a powerful evil sorcerer basically conquering and enslaving a bunch of princesses and warrior women, but realistically that being executed IRL is not an endeavor you would want to undertake. Between people trying to kill you, the bitching and groaning of 7 sex slaves in the brief intermission they're not trying to slit yoir throat for basically killing their family and slamming them in chains, all of it is not convenient or practical. Now if it was practical? Maybe. I am also not actually evil enough to do something like that IRL even if it was convenient and accessible. The point is I still loosely want that and it arouses me to picture the idea of owning a fleet of teenage sex slave concubines and all that would entail and say about me. It doesn't really matter how you cope.

This isn't dismissing your rape fantasy so much as just emotionally acknowledging IRL it would probably be some ugly loser going to far rather than a hot-sensitive mob boss celebrity having his way with you in the exact manner you picture in your head.

More or less the same appeal as monster girls. Not that deep

I am so emasculated irl that I can't even imagine myself in a power fantasy scenario. God would have to reincarnate me into a fantasy world and give me magic powers before I even think of how to pick myself up.

Give me good "romance for girls"
I'm all for a good or trashy drama

So you agree with ?

You just described good.
Also, you're wrong.

Yea

Being top dog in a community/culture and making women want you is the best take.

Sure, high status men have women flock to them, but while that often appears in media of any kind, it's always non-character women who are doing it, all the girls who are actually important never seem to give a fuck about such men, (who tend to either be gay or shallow assholes) they only have eyes for the nobody with no attractive qualities instead
I don't think I've ever seen a James Bond or Conan type character who just gets a new girl every story without even having to try, but believably because they're actually incredibly attractive, Chads like that don't get to be the protagonist anymore

Who is seme and who is the uke? Bishounen kun seems like he'd bottom for Ugly Bastard for fun

This is getting into Eyes Wide Shut territory. Imagine you're having a good time with your wife in the bedroom and she starts going off about how if the perfect man came along on the night before your wedding night she would fuck him then and there. Do respond with, "well yeah if the perfect woman came along yesterday I'd fuck her" then laugh about it or do you get disillusioned about love and marriage?

Mangaka, Hentai VN creators, and anime studios right now are "tweaking" their properties into not being about rape/extreme sexual situations and people are eating that shit up.

Examples? All of the rapefests I know are just hentai so I don't know how they'd work without it. Except Rance I guess. The comedy and plot are its best parts and the ero is just boring, so it would work out with some minor alterations.

What does that have to do with anything.

Talking about sexual fantasies other than as a big joke is meaningless. Fantasies literally change and transform every minute a person has them.

There is. Girls may be way more into romance than guys and there are considerably more romance manga for girls but that doesn't change the fact that "romance for guys" with an overwhelmingly male audience is a real thing. There is very much a real subgenre consisting of harems and romcoms pandering to male wish fulfillment that's a turn off for the female audience. Someone already mentioned Nisekoi. Gotoubun also had around a 90% male audience, and almost all the readers of Takagi-san are male (I don't remember if there was a number given but it also may have been 90%). Someone else said Kimi no Na wa but that's a stupid answer.

the overwhelming majority of romantic fiction in human history is aimed at men

That's a bold claim considering all the romantic novels and movies out there for women.

People who make these threads have never read a shoujo manga.

examples

Pic related has no rape nor implied rape in it. Also that is isekai manga about "Women being perverts, men being prudes"

Okay so jacking off to guro with barbed wire and owning child pornography isn't disgusting and immoral?

person has "illegal porn" for their entire life

no one finds out until they die

they never did anything bad and were generally nice to everyone during life

Many such cases.

Lol

Drawn? Yes, but they're lines on paper, so it's harder to feel bad.
Real life? Yes.

why are girls like this?

This isn't an anime thread this is a girls vs boys shitflinging thread. Unironically mods take this shit down if you really want to promote these dumbass thinly veiled bait threads

You didn't get to the fatty's arc, did you?

Oh yeah, Taimanin. Pretty impressive that they can get where they are now after all the retarded animated orc rape.

If it's lolis? Don't care, most lolis look so different from real kids that being attracted to one doesn't mean being attracted to the other. Real child porn? With 13 and younger kids? Probably should get executed.

NOOO STOP HAVING FUN

AAAAAAA MOOOOODS

Literally kill yourself tourist faggot

Are you implying something?

Having porn in your possession is a bad idea in any case. Consume exclusively online, and clear your history. If you have to download a video so it doesn't buffer or a game to play, always make sure to get rid of it after you're finished. It's too dangerous.

I'm sure they read at least one that fit their ideas or at least skimmed it and then continue to make threads about what they think it's all like, but the “romance for boys” they read is also highly selective anyway so what does it matter.

If you go to r/shoujo, they have the weirdest ideas about “shoujo” you ever read and what is popular and is going on and they evidently read it, they all just read the same specific type and then somehow conclude it's all like that, and that isn't all that different from all the people here who talk talk about moidslop but they clearly only read a very specific subtype.

Mods literally allow threads with “It's that time again, hug your sister and post results” with a picture of Kirino to stand up but they remove threads that draw comparisons between Japanese and Chinese boys' love because merely mentioning Chinese boys' love while comparing to Japanese boys' love apparently “does not pertain to anime”.

Of course I did, that's why it wasn't for losers, the loser got shafted as he would and should, very satisfying.

innit

posting stale pasta threads every month is fun

Bait used to be believable

Ugly bastard is a boy thing and it's a mental illness. Girls don't have sex with ugly bastards, only handsome men. I would know, because I'm an ugly bastard.

Just work to become famous and it'll be just like being hot.

If your meaning of fun is coming up with an OP that reads like a leftist meme then maybe you should off yourself. these threads aren't so fun when your board is swamped with them aka what Anon Babble has been for the past few years I'd just rather not see Anon Babble go down as bad as most other boards

leftist

That's a chud meme

You're both right. People get off to ideas and let their imaginations/constraints do the rest. The characters in whatever (usually taboo) fantasy and fiction people have are exaggerated for fetishistic purposes. It's not a DIRECT link, but most people will tell you what got it all started. If you took the doujin and erotica away, lolicon would still be consuming media about little girls and fantasizing about the characters and women would still be consuming media about tan handsome strangers. Reducing it all to "and everyone dies" is either disingenuous or plain ignorant.

Chud meme with the leftist wall of text format

What's the source on the right?

Women are psychotic, this is why throughout human history they've been kept on a metaphorical leash. Men understood leaving a woman to her own devices will only bring about destruction and chaos. To herself and those around her.
Look at them in our current era. mass killing of babies, rejection of tradition, prostitution, promiscuity etc...
When it comes to things like rape they don't hate what's been done but instead the feeling of being restricted in their freedom, especially if it was by a "lesser" man

Keked

Rape as in getting drunk and irresponsibility fucking around, right?

Lol gae