If a race is sentient and capable of free will and change...

No, I won't engage with you and go down the rabbit hole of typing up detailed explanations that you never even pretend to read.

Yes, I will call you a retard.

It's more like a bomb that has a chance of going off late.

Ok.
They are basically beings that can only choose evil.
We can argue the description to use but this is just what they are from start to finish.
Evil as we know it is a human observation and its something they see in Demons.

A ringworm could choose not to infect humans, but they don't.
Only good demon is a dead one.

There cannot be evil without good. If something is doing what we consider evil without being capable of doing otherwise then it is not evil.
Having an option to be good and consciously choosing to be evil is the true pure evil.

This. Its like people who claim that cats are psychopaths or other projections of human disorders onto animals. They are not people, they do not share a human baseline to deviate from. They are just cats, and what they are doing is perfectly normal for how cats operate. Making the mistake that animals are just humans in little furry costumes is a really great way to get yourself badly injured around most farm animals. And when it happens you will have both asked for it and deserved it.

The only thing that makes demon psychology being distinct from humans any different from animal psychology being distinct from humans is that the demons are designed to camouflage as people. But its just that: camouflage.

If they adapted human language for the sole purpose of making humans lower their guard, why do demons communicate to each other with language?

capable of free will and change

They aren't.
The demons that try and change can't.
There are a lot of behaviors that human's can't ever emulate. Like those of ants, or schooling fish, or solitary predators like tigers.

It's literally explained in the show. It's in their nature.

Who cares? Genociding your enemies is a good thing. The demons know this, yet it’s wrong when their victims fight back?

You have the ability to choose not to be a faggot yet here we are
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You have the ability to choose not to be a faggot

I very much doubt OP has that ability

can only choose evil

That's not how sentience works. A sentient being can always deny its programming. Humans fucking kill themselves sometimes, that's not in their DNA but they still do it. That's being sentient

Because once you have developed a tool you use it for more than just the case you developed it for.
There is a pretty strong narrative throughline in Frieren that the demons are *continuing* to evolve to better imitate humans, and in the process are at some point going to cross the line where they become human enough that they actually can make choices like describes. An imitation so complete that it starts to approach the original that it is imitating and eventually becomes actually indistinguishable. The previous generations of demons could never understand the concept of evil. Most of the current generation of demons can't do it. But I fully expect that there is a part of this story yet to come where Frieren is forced to confront the fact that her ancient enemy are starting to become *real people* in a way that isn't just a trick, an ongoing convergent evolution, and she is going to have a hard time reconciling that with her centuries long hatred of demons.

remarkable consistency.
OP, do you just keep a list of topics to seethe about from time to time? if yes, screencap the rest, i promise i won't laugh

So what? It's in human nature to have sex and yet look around you. Just because something's in your nature doesn't mean you're going to do it. And if you're killing children just because there's a chance they'll grow up to be evil then you're pretty fucking evil yourself

A sentient being can always deny its programming.

Its cute that you believe that. Choose to hear infrasound.
Your ears can do it. Your brain filters that information out because evolutionarily speaking it didn't provide a benefit because almost nothing in nature makes infrasound, certainly nothing that hunts humans.
So deny your programing. Remove the mental block and choose to hear infrasound. I'll wait.
Your 'triumph of the human spirit' mind over matter bullshit is a conforming fiction and nothing more. A desire to believe that humanity is more special than it really is.

A wolf can never become a sheep.

lol, lmao

I feel like you're not understanding the frog and the scorpion parables the show presents.

"The fable of The Scorpion and the Frog warns against trusting inherently dangerous individuals, as even if it's against their own best interest, they will act according to their nature, ultimately causing harm to themselves and others"

So in order to be a good person, you have to let your predators grow powerful enough to prey on you, wait to they kill a bunch of people, then it’s okay to take action? They’d just start mass reproducing and leaving the children about.

I don't call them sentient retard.
They are only capable of what humans judge as evil. It does not matter whether you think they are aliens, sub-sapients, animals or (lol) demons. This is just whst they are and this is all they ever will be.

Choose to hear infrasound

We already did that as humans, you can buy a infrasound amplifier and hear it, RETARD. So yeah we have defied our nature using our sentience. That's the power of sentient beings, RETARD
By the way you're talking to a man across half the globe. Were you born with that power or did we defy nature to acquire it using our sentience, RETARD?

Chimera arc was so much better than this crap

Yeah it's the leap from

uguu don't trust a scorpion

to

kill all scorpions forever

that I can't justify

Demons are like very sophisticated animals, they can practice delayed gratification like feigning kindness or civility but this is only ever to make the prey feel more pain later.
Of course they are no more sapient then a cat or a dog so its perfectly fine to slaughter the maneaters pre-emptively like we do for other high-risk wild animals.

Yes in order to be a good person you have to stop yourself from killing children on the off chance that they might be your enemies in the future (because you killed their parents). I know it's pretty messed up

Why do you defend pedophiles?

No, the infrasound amplifier translates the frequency to something your brain will allow you to hear. Your programming remains intact, you simply have bent the knee to it and made the most of it.
If you honestly cannot understand the difference here, you lack the critical thinking skills necessary for this topic.

What if its not an off chance? What if its a certainty? Not a near certainty, but an actual certainty?
This doesn't apply to humans, because humans do not have to group up to be your enemy. But demons do.

chance

100% certainty.
It's like saying

Noooo, don't kill all the ebola! What if the next strain cures cancer!!!!!1!1!!!

Your programming remains intact, you simply have

found a way to go around it, yeah. That's the point, RETARD. We can control all our urges with drugs. We can rewrite all of our programming.

b-b-but it's still there underneath

Doesn't matter as long as you rewrite over it. The fact that you can't speak to a person across the globe doesn't stop you from doing it right now does it

We can rewrite all of our programming.

If this was true you wouldn't need the amplifier.

certainty

Well it obviously isn't because even if they're 100% evil there's still a chance they'll die a natural death before acting upon it.

This anime attracts pedantic pseuds like flies to vinegar.

I wish I were a bird.

It's a further refinement of the trait. Like how primates didn't evolve hands in order to throw things, but hands incidentally facilitated that and it proved useful so evolution adapted around it further and now humans are ridiculously good at it. For demons, the ability to speak to each other was completely incidental, but the ability to coordinate a group would naturally improve hunting success, so evolution took it from there.
Or it's just something that the Demon King forced because he was super Macht and he could compel all the other demons to go along with his failed attempt to emulate and understand humans.

The amplifier is the product of our sentience, dumbo. Aliens didn't bestow it upon us, we used our sentience to overcome our nature. And we're doing it right now, as you keep pretending not to notice

You faggots are going to go into absolute meltdown once this show gets to the Macht arc
Not even gotten to the good parts yet

What does that even mean? Most of Anon Babble is pedophiles but I assume none of them would act upon it so I guess sentient beings can defy their instincts. Pretty neat how that works, not sure why you brought that up

Why do coins have ridges despite the fact that the "coin clippers" have free will and could simply have chosen to not clip coins? Because they WANTED to clip coins, and they don't care that it's stealing. Some races of people are actually evil. Adulthood is believing what your ancestors said about them.

If you get hit by a drunk driver on the way to kill your ex, she still would have been justified in killing you before you killed her. God helping in their extermination isn't a credit to their character.

Its not a lack of attention, its a fundamental disagreement with your argument. What you are saying is logically equivalent to

I don't have diabetes, I just took my insulin

Which is clearly nonsense.

He's literally admitting here that he feels emotions.

People who empathize with demons are either useful idiots who are exceptionally vulnerable to propaganda or demonic in some way themselves.

He has only scratched the surface

It just feels like the demons are too smart for their intended role as monsters. Lugner has better social skills than many actual humans. The scene where Lugner says he doesn't know what "father" means doesn't even make sense. Even if he doesn't understand the significance it has to humans, he clearly knows what the fucking word means. The author wants us to see them as bundles of instincts and not people, but they're too smart.

Demons have some human emotions, but not others. Its understandable that they are capable of doubt, because the ability to doubt goes hand in hand with the ability to deceive. You can't effectively lie to someone if you yourself believe everything at face value and never question it.

free will

they don't really have it

I think you'd have a different tune if the scorpions were actively hunting you and would leave their natural habitat in order to find humans to hunt.

Nta but over a decade ago I lived in a desert and I still shake my shoes out before I put them on.

No, he's explicitly stating that he DOESN'T feel them despite knowing what they look like. Unless you're counting doubt, which is more about intellectually understanding that you might be wrong about something.

Just think of demons as meat LLMs and a lot of stuff makes sense

They are exactly the types of people who will open the gates to tigers only to get eaten. Holy fuck this is hilarious.

If a race is sentient and capable of free will and change, then they can't really be "pure evil" by definition because they'd have the ability to choose not to be evil.

That's a bit backwards, they'd only be evil if they could choose otherwise, if they just act out programming they're not any more evil than a wild beast.
Ability to emphasize is like ability to climb trees or learn language, it's not up to you do decide if you have it or not.
I agree that it makes sense to imagine a demon that just decides to not harm humans based on some reasoning or another - unless they have inherent irresistible murderous urges.

You might also be underestimating just how different a mind can be from your own.
As late as few years ago I'd recommend some sci-fi, but as others are saying state of the art LLMs are remarkable demonstration of this. Ability to speak intelligibly seems impressive because we haven't seen it outside humans before, but is it really a reliable sign of real sapience?

Kill yourselves already. Worthless fucking tourists.

I saw a bunch of them out protesting yesterday.

In traditional morality only beings outside of the physical world can be pure good/evil (God/Satan). Both demons and humans are animals capable of reason, and therefore have the free will to choose between good and bad. Demons may have the proclivity to commit evil, but so do many humans. Demons are people.

Fuck off with that sophistry bullshit. Demons are beasts that predate on humans. They are only capable of communication for the sake of deceiving their prey. As such they should be purged to the last spawn, not a single one must survive.

They talk to each other and other humans for the sake of not deceiving them.
Also, if you want an example of the story contradicting itself about demons, pic related is the best example.

Point: We are told talking to demons is pointless as they cannot be reasoned with.
Counterpoint: Himmel and Solitar negotiated with each other. They came to an agreement and followed through with it.

This by itself proves that peace with demons is possible, and treating them as a pure evil race that cannot be reasoned with as wrong.

I'm sure parrotting this over and over will be fruitful.

You didn't counter the fact that a demon and a human successfully negotiated, thus rendering the series' entire view of demons wrong. Why do you keep making excuses for the writing? Do you think the author will give you a medal for it?

Demons are only "evil" because you are looking at a predator from the perspective of prey. That's it. That's all there is to it. Ah, the lion is evil says the gazelle. Ah, the coyote is evil says the duck. And so on.

I mean, look at Chat GPT. Just because they can demonstrate apparent sapience doesn't meant it has a consciousness similar to a human. The demons are basically that. They don't have a human consciousness even if they can apparently mimic human interactions and culture.

Do Demons kill everything they see or just other intelligent humanoids?

Because if they only kill the latter they're already better than humans

Free will is the capacity to compare proposed actions to an ideal standard of morality. Animals aren't capable of understanding morality, so morality doesn't apply to them. Demons are, however, capable of understanding morality. They may be a type of predator, but they are, in fact, evil.

Yet another thread about Frierens amateur writing.

This re-run is boring. Save your breath trying to make sense of the nonsense this hack wrote.

It is amateur in the original meaning of the word. I'll take it over soulless corporate committee-generated slop any day

The exact scene you posted had the demons agreed that they are in fact affectionless beasts.

I mean that also hapoens with humans with non-standard brains and we don't genocide them.

The usual genocide reason was "I want that"

Demons having intelligence and an understanding of human morality

They don't, they notionally know how humans work but are unable to truly understand the reasons, as they don't think like us.
Think about the ants, you can notionally know how they are structured and what they do in their societies, but you could never truly understand how they think or the inner reasoning within their actions.

Scorpions don't actively Hunt humans nor are a genuine threat to our entire species.
Demons are more comparable to polar bears, but those can't survive outside the cold.

Demons don't have a concept of family you speedreader.

They don't, they notionally know how humans work but are unable to truly understand the reasons, as they don't think like us.

None of that is necesary tho, the only thing needed to change behaviour is a strong enough incentive and enough intelligence to follow their own interest (which even dogs have).

There's also the argument of how muh do humans truly understand each other.

The story says that demons are incapable of being negotiated with. This scene in this story showed that was not the case. That's incomparable to the example that you provided.

If humanity had the tools to coerce all the demons forever to obey society's rule they might try, but that would waste a lot of lives, and humanity will always prioritize itself over a predator. Moreover the nature of curses means they would always be a timebomb, until someone powerful enough to uproot everything is born.

They supposedly can only feed on humans.

So what would Frieren do if demons didn't exist and the elfs would hace been genocided by humans for their resources instead?

Would she mantain the same point of view regarding humanity as she does the demons?

Humans don't feed on elfs though, they can eat anything they so desire that isn't toxic to them.

Sounds like a demon ruled earth would unironically be better for life on earth than the clusterfuck we have now.

You forgot the part were demons will deliberately kill other beings for shits and giggles.
Remember when the demon squad found Frieren and Flamme yet the prioritized killing Frieren despite Flamme being their "prey"?

Frieren would have them face the wall, the time for words are over.

You forgot the part were demons will deliberately kill other beings for shits and giggles.

Where have I heard that behaviour before...

As long as demons don't have an industrial revolution, earth would be in a better place

Demons do that way more than humans dipshit.

Frieren explicitly states there's an extremely small chance they could coexist with demons, but it hinges on demons actually developing empathy and morals. Of which demons test these things by: killing humans and elves, because they retardedly think by doing so they will understand it by observing when humans are at their most emotional.
She does risk assessment like a rational person, and comes to the conclusion that demons being allowed to kill humans without consequence until they *maybe* understand emotions is not worth the price of coexistence, in however many thousands or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of years into the future that may take.

Shut up with your speedreading headcanon retardation.

So you don't have any evidence?

Humans don't feed on elfs though,

What exactly is your point here?

The reasons for human led genocide didn't need to extend beyond "I want that land" "I want those resources" or "I want more slaves" if it straight up wasn't "fuck those guys"

Not that slave cannibalism or making clothes out of humans was unheard of either.

You do realize none of that happened in frieren right?

have them face the wall

Don't treat them humanely, do to them what Doomguy does to the demons that killed his pet rabbit, his family and made him pass through his shitty ass childhhod home.
And also tried to invade earth.

Shut the fuck up, jannie. You aren't supposed to be participating in the thread AND deleting posts just because you don't agree with the other person.

Yes, we're explicitly talking hypotheticals

Look, I have played games that involve butchering demons because they are trying to invade the mortal realm and slaughter mortals.

Sympathy for an otherworldly lifeform that only seeks to kill and destroy?
Are you fucking retarded?

Put a pot of water on the stove and turn it on

the water will boil

but how do you know until it's boiled??? LMAO HAHA CHEKMATE - You

Retard-kun.

Demons do that way more than humans dipshit.

Not that you actually presented evidence of this, but they could do this 100 times more than humans and it would still lead to a longer lasting biosphere on demon earth than on human earth

A wolf can become a sheepdog, which instead of killing sheep just herds them instead in exchange for food/shelter/water.

That required forced evolution via human breeding.

The main difference here is even evil are capable of seeing their actions as in the wrong and damages society or the world.
The demon king ordered elves to be genocided and not a single demon batted an eye.

The demons never showed any care for the ecosystem or the world either.

I really like how the author tells you something about the world, gives you a explicit example and story of a demon child killing a family that looked after it, and still people try to argue that demons can be humanized despite what the author said several times.

For modern sheepdogs yes, but even just kidnapping a wild animal when it's young and raising it in a specific way will result in a much more tame being than their wild counterparts.

when it's young and raising it in a specific way will result in a much more tame being than their wild counterparts.

We literally saw this in the story and the demon still killed its human "father"

If scorpions were humanoid shaped you bet your ass we would be killing every single one of them.
They have no other purpose then to kill and eat.
Demons are basically scorpions but the author portrays them as intelligent as well which breaks the genocide them all narrative she paints as well.
If she made them dumber and only relied on instincts she would be correct.

Anon, they prioritized Frieren because they were specifically on a mission by the demon king to exterminate the elves. Killing elves was why they were THERE.
Also, it was extremely unlikely that they actually were going to let Flamme live. They just wanted to kill Frieren first. If Flamme had been a normal human unfamiliar with demons, she likely would have lowered her guard as soon as she thought she was 'safe' because the demons were not there for her, just the elf girl.

The main difference here is even evil are capable of seeing their actions as in the wrong and damages society or the world.

The demon king ordered elves to be genocided and not a single demon batted an eye.

I think you vastly underestimate how much a dehumanization campaign can do, same goes for self justification, all this shown throughout history.

Most of those people aren't living their life thinking they are evil.

What makes this more egregious is that the demons in the OP that appeared in the exact same arc as that story all consider themselves wild beasts.

It takes more than basic sentients to be capable of moral reasoning.
Demons are incapable of moral reasoning. They have no capacity for empathy, no capacity to be anything but animalistically selfish. They are stated to only work together out of self preservation. They submit to the strongest one in the area or reason that working together will get them more food and power than working alone. The Demon King only organized them by being the strongest and controlling them by force.

Frieren demons are just not redeemable. Thats the whole point. They act like they might be, because that will gain them more in the end. They're basically the perfect example of P-Zombies in fiction.

I said they are capable, not that all evil humans are willing to admit.
Vs all demons thinking the demon king is the right.

Demons don't think about things like "evil".

>kill all scorpions forever

its what Britain did to wolves. also wiped out rabies by killing all the stray dogs. both worked.

The demons never showed any care for the ecosystem or the world either.

They don't need to.

As long as their actions remain within a certain scope the world will simply continue regardless.

Humans have moved beyond that scope to the point self extinction is a real threat.

Why were pagans unable to have moral reasoning then? they sacrificed children and killed their own sons for their own sakes.
Demons are just selfish like all humans are.

What makes you think they WON'T move from their scope?

Pagans stopped doing it
Demons don't. And never will.

Implying christians didn't kill their own as well

Pagans stopped doing it

Proof?

I said they are capable, not that all evil humans are willing to admit.

Some are with the right environent and push for it, some are not and would doble down on it

To the people making the decision, morality was never a factor and never would be.

Have you seen it?

But that just shows the difference between humans and demons, they have the possibility of seeing themselves in the wrong and do good, demons don't have that.

Sympathy for an otherworldly lifeform that only seeks to kill and destroy?

It actually can be done, though it requires a lot of work. The example that comes to mind is a part of Final Fantasy 14, where they manage to present a scenario where the world being invaded by a horde of ravenous monsters from another dimension is absolutely horrific, but arguably more ethical than leaving the monsters where they are. The voidsent are, themselves, victims of the main badguys of the story who only *nearly* destroyed their world before they figured out the metaphysics of how to destroy a world for real, leaving this other world as a barren, energy-deprived void where everything left is corrupted by darkness, eternally ravenously hungry because there isn't enough aether left to go around and the only way to sate your hunger is to eat someone else. Except that you cannot die, because the world is so fundamentally broken that its been disconnected from the cycle of death and rebirth so your soul just hangs around until it reforms a body/is absorbed into the person who ate you and eventually gets released back out to reform again if *they* ever die. Every voidsent that exists has been stuck as a starving, aether-deprived beast forced to commit horrors just for temporary relief without even the hope of death as an escape for 10,000 years.
But if they can make it to another dimension, its paradise. That world is overflowing with vital aether, finally their hunger can be satisfied. And if they die there, the world isn't broken so they *actually get to die* and their soul passes on to reincarnate a new person in the future in this world.

The voidsent invasion would be a terrible tragedy and a massacre and kill a bunch of people, but all of those people would just reincarnate as normal. Their suffering would be temporary, a one time disaster. Whereas leaving the monsters in the void dooms them to suffer eternally for reasons that were never their fault.

Demons have very human morality though. The two moral values we've seen them have are thinking trickery is wrong, and thinking demons dying is wrong (if not shown through lugner, then certainly by solitar literally saying she didn't like the demon kings war because it killed her friends). they also have an understanding and expression of emotions certainly on par with frieren at the very least, as she is also shown to not understand some of them at all at the story's beginning there is nothing to say they couldn't adopt a different morality. the story has shown they have all the components necessary to. it has not given a reason why they cannot change that would not also apply to the other characters who can.

There doesn't seem to be any reason for demons to need an industrial revolution.

That's it.

They are largely strong enough and individualistic enough it's unlikely to ever happen

You could say the same for us back then.

fpbp

Demons have very human morality though. The two moral values we've seen them have are thinking trickery is wrong, and thinking demons dying is wrong (if not shown through lugner, then certainly by solitar literally saying she didn't like the demon kings war because it killed her friends). they also have an understanding and expression of emotions certainly on par with frieren at the very least, as she is also shown to not understand some of them at all at the story's beginning there is nothing to say they couldn't adopt a different morality. the story has shown they have all the components necessary to. it has not given a reason why they cannot change that would not also apply to the other characters who can.

Humans are weak enough for tools to be needed, demons are largely not.

And humans were always forming communities of some kind, we are not very individualistic.

How is that equivalent? no one but the upper echelons of the english crown and france were involved in the IV.
Your average worker does not matter at all in decisions.
All it takes is the demon lord to make one announcement.

Psychopathy is essentially an ability to sympathise (deduce others' feelings and motivations), but an inability to empathise (to actually give a fuck about these feelings and motivations). In this way most cats are psychopathic, and psychopathic humans are disordered in that they think like a non-social species (cats) not a social species (apes).

All it takes is the demon lord to make one announcement.

Why would the demon lord need it tho?

A human king is simply anither human who simply has a lot of political power.

The demon king is straight up the strongest demon.

Greed or power trip, you call it.

Moral choices aren't decided by randomness

They are basically beings that can only choose evil.

That's not a choice

A ringworm could choose not to infect humans, but they don't.

Ringworms aren't sentient, they don't have minds.

Greed or power trip, you call it.

You furst need to establish he would wabt those things, which you haven't

So they can have their own industrial revolution in their own way that suits their own capabilities. No matter how strong and powerful you are, nobody wants to be stuck washing clothes all day. Our 20th century mini-IR came about because essentially all of women's work in the home became automated, freeing up women to work and making it practical to live as a single male. This greatly increased the available workforce, just like the agricultural revolution did centuries ago.

If the possibility exists for technological to free demons from menial unproductive jobs and let them do something more profitable, it's going to be almost impossible to suppress that.

The arrogant species wouldn't want to set themselves even more above others

You're mentally challenged.

The demons are evil. Even the Demons say this.

This scenario reminds me of Nier Automata, with the Machines evolving sentience and choosing to be good.

The two moral values we've seen them have are thinking trickery is wrong, and thinking demons dying is wrong

These are the same thing. Demons are absolutely okay with trickery, he was just resentful that Frieren and Fern had hidden their powerlevels to bait demons into attacking them instead of fleeing. He was only upset and trying to use social manipulation on Fern to shame her for it because the one who got tricked was himself.

You're not really asking or answering an interesting question here.
The better question is: if you kill for not being "human" despite being human in many respects, do you then become "inhuman" yourself?

thinking demons dying is wrong

But if you can't comprehend that thinking humans dying is wrong in anything beyond an intellectual "humans think that" manner, then you can't coexist with humans. The reason the transatlantic slave trade could operate at all was that most people didn't see black people as other humans, instead as curiously-intelligent animals. I get what you're saying in that white americans came to think of black americans as other humans and start empathising with them, but it's been stated that demons can't do that.

Think of Evil Kryten and how he just utilitarianly cooked someone's leg: this wasn't evil, to him, because without a Guilt Chip, he didn't consider the action to be evil, and as he said, "he wasn't USING it!". It wouldn't be possible to argue Evil Kryten into caring about the wellbeing of people he's not owned by, the best you could ever manage is "doing that would make my masters upset".

The reason the transatlantic slave trade could operate at all was that most people didn't see black people as other humans,

I don't buy that at all, slavers who dehumanised Black people just did so to soothe their conscience from the evil way they were treating their fellow Humans, it's the same thing that sometimes happens in war where both sides dehumanise the other.

humans with weapons > demons

therefore demons with weapons > humans with weapons

If the possibility exists for technological to free demons from menial unproductive jobs and let them do something more profitable, it's going to be almost impossible to suppress that.

Wwhat menial jobs?

Do demons even have that?

The reason the transatlantic slave trade could operate at all was that most people didn't see black people as other humans

The slaves were sold out by other Africans, who profited greatly by selling members of their rival tribes off to Arabs/Jews/Whites. It wasn't a "black and white" issue.

f their rival tribes

And of their own tribes and of their own families.
And now we have people spouting crap like inherent love of family and gold standards.

We were talking about a world where the demons already won, but.

humans with weapons > demons

Outside of rare exceptions, not really.

therefore demons with weapons > humans with weapons

They can just take the weapons the humans have.

Wasting manpower on manufacturing them would be inneficient when weapons are nowhere near enough of a force multiplier to justify them.

Here's how a demon can change for the better

I never played FF XVI.

But I did play FFX.
I know how fiends are created.
Unsent pyreflies linger in the world of the living instead of going to the farplane,
They become horrific fiends, or become revenants called unsent, who appear as themselves, but something is horrible wrong about their personality.
They shouldn't be there, they cause problems that involve mass murder of the living.
They should be defeated and be sent on their way.
Fiends cause problems much like demons.

Demons in Frieren will only cause more problems for the mortal races and mortal races are tired of the fighting and have no interest in making peace with an otherworldly race that has caused so much suffering for them.

I don't really see that as an interesting question, us humans have been killing other humans for as long as we've been around, so saying that killing a human or something human-like is inhuman is very silly.
The whole idea that anything that a human does could be inhuman is itself already a ludicrous concept since anything a human does is by default a human action, even if we don't morally agree with it.

Why are mortal races interested in peace with other tribes and factions that murdered their own people then? the author is just a midwit.

I should have been more clear
Empathy for others is a uniquely human trait. Those who lack empathy and kill remorselessly could be viewed as lacking in some basic humanity. If you condition yourself to kill a being who looks and appears human, cries out in "fear" and "pain" when it dies, and "pleads" for its life without triggering your own empathic response, have you not become like them (inhuman) in that you've lost your empathy?

FUCK DEMONS

The dumbest people spend so much time thinking about demons in Frieren lol

You fell for the trick. Notice how everyone cries that Aura should have been spared, but not Qual. Because Aura is pretty and Qual looks like a monster.
Demons learning to use the halo effect on humans is probably their best trick, more effective than any of their magic.

Empathy as a trait exists so that we don't go around killing our family members or friends, or in other words people who we have mutually beneficial relationships with.
When it comes to interaction with other competing tribes, if the situation is as such where no mutually beneficial or simply neutral relationship can be established, then at that point war becomes the only rational option. If your tribe of humans can't turn off their empathy for enemy humans, then your tribe goes extinct, and as so we have developed a balance of conditional empathy as a part of our fundamental human behavior.
I'd argue that conditional empathy is far more "human" of a trait than just pure empathy, since pure empathy leads to extinction.

Reminder that Anon Babble is an Edel board

The morality imposed by food is irrelevant. Let me tell you the truth anon. People already don't like watching cows die, but they love eating cows. So they shunt the entire process out of view. If cows suddenly started begging for their lives, people would just muzzle them and push them even further of out view. The eating of cows would not stop.

I actually like Qual more than Aura. Despite the fact that Qual is an enemy, he doesn't pretend to be a human like the other modern demons. He makes it absolutely clear he's a demon. He invented a paradigm shifting magic that ended up becoming the standard for killing magic. In just a few seconds he already started thinking of counter-measures to overcome the defences humanity spent 70 years researching against his spell. If it wasn't for Frieren's elf autism, the reawakening of Qual would've been like a second coming of the demon lord as Qual quickly adapted to the new world.
Demons like Aura are a disgrace to demonkind. They have to resort to tricks and camouflage just to avoid extermination. They have no more battlefield intelligence, just like that demon who turned his back on Frieren and lost his arms. All the dead boomer demons are rolling in their grave that their zoomer offspring are becoming better killers, but far worse at being demons

Why on Earth is this bait ALWAYS working? Even two days in a row.

I don't see that as totally contradictory to my point.

family members or friends

people who we have mutually beneficial relationships with

Demons are shown to have evolved enough to gain the trust of humans by forging such ties, at least on the very surface level.
How do you think the villagers could have dealt with the demon girl and saved themselves from slaughter, if not by killing someone that had welcomed into their tribe? Wouldn't they have to ignore their feelings and throw away their empathy (as you've described it) to survive?
Empathy is certainly conditional, but it is not something you can turn on and off at will so easily.

It looks like he's copypasting parts of the replies from previous threads verbatim as well
Why? What for?

In the context of Frieren's world, Demons are portrayed as a human-like species that is utterly incapable of forming mutually beneficial relationships with humans, but are intelligent enough to trick some humans into thinking that they are capable of forming those relationships.
Humans that have dealt with Demons know that they are enemies and as such avoid developing empathy for them to kill them before being killed themselves, and in the case of the village and the Demon loli they weren't familiar with Demons and so accidentally developed empathy for one by spending time with them.
Empathy of course as you say cannot be simply turned on and off like a switch, and instead is a complex behavior. Empathy requires the person/creature that you're interacting with to have certain traits, like familiarity (Do they look human enough), as well as spending enough time with them to develop trust, and probably other traits I can't think of off the top of my head.
Demon's being able to look human allows them to exploit that empathy, but only for humans who are ignorant enough to allow themselves to develop an empathy for them in the first place.

Why? What for?

What author are you even talking about here? FFX, XVI? be specific retard

It has already been proven that someone like Frieren could tame/educate the demons, she's just racist.

It has already been proven that someone like Frieren could tame/educate the demons

I remember no such thing. Your evidence? I hope you don't mean the domination scales, because 1) Frieren can't cast that spell and 2) thats not a reliable way to tame demons, its at best a way to limited the damage they can do and even thats not ironclad.

Where's the immoral emotional representation?

The flashback to when the heroes party came across the child demon in that village showed exactly the opposite, faggit

oh you mean the LGBT community

Not part of the rock paper scissors because its just an unsuccessful combination overall.

Frieren did nothing there, she could have stopped it, but she didn't to prove a point, she was the bad one.

Explain.

Frieren letting the situation come to a head and letting the townsfolk put themselves in danger like this despite knowing the outcome would be death is a coolhearted move, but it was also necessary.
Himmel did not understand demons. If they were going to continue north and fight demons, Himmel *needed* to know, really know, what he was getting them into. It would genuinely be dangerous to let Himmel continue to be naive and merciful towards them in the future, allowing him to be tricked and drop his guard in a future fight could get all of them, Frieren included, killed.

That isn't a species in Frieren.

First off, the triangle is I am 90% sure just an edit of a meme about the relationship between neurotypicals, autists, and psychopaths. There is a meme online about how high functioning autistics are the predator to high functioning psychopaths/sociopaths, because the emotional manipulation tools that they used to prey upon the better nature of normies bounce off of the logic machine autism brain who instead pings them as the threats they are. As someone with autism I think this is self-aggrandizing bullshit designed to make autistic people feel better. The idea that you can't emotionally manipulate an autistic person is just false.

Second, immoral/emotional is just a bad combination because it means you don't see the benefit of societal cooperation and also lack the impulse control to not act on that. Its basically the perfect recipe for doing shit that gets you in trouble, even when you know you shouldn't. Thats how you end up in jail.

I'm not sure you know what "immoral" and "emotional" mean.

it's just a joke, autistic friend

I think this is self-aggrandizing bullshit designed to make autistic people feel better

No, it's self-aggrandizing bullshit designed to make stupid people feel better as they pretend to be super powered autists

you see Neo, this is the 7th time we've made this thread

and we've gotten extremely efficient at it

They do say that it may be possible to eventually have demons understand conventional morality and change their ways, but it would take so long, and they would kill so many people in the meantime that it would be unfeasible to do so.

He's saying he knows what they look like and can mentally grasp the cause and effect of them. There are just some that are too abstract though. He'd probably be absolutely perplexed at NTR porn.