Berserk

Same thing basically.

It's fantasy that's dark

The bad guys consistently winning over the heroes and getting away with it.

Good characters either die or have to morally compromise themselves in order to succeed

Many scenes of graphic rape, torture, mutilation.

Consistently portray organized religions like Chritianity as evil (the High Sparrow in ASOIF, Bishop Mozgus in Berserk)

The god or gods of both Berserk and ASOIF are either obviously evil or indifferent to mans suffering

Both have a existential threat on the horizon that threatens to destroy all mankind if the heroes can't stop it.

If that not dark fantasy what is?

We're getting Winds though I think GRRM will probably split the last book and we'll get both A Time for Wolves(original last book title), and A Dream of Spring potentially related posthumously.

Miura was clearly trying to build the story up in a way that would have Guts eventually forgive griffith.
Such an ending would obviously piss the fans off, nothing can excuse or forgive the eclipse.

asoiaf is not dark fantasy

If that not dark fantasy what is?

Not him, but I'd argue that Black Company is a better example.
(and coincidentally, actually resuming with not just the one expected final book but a four-volume arc: blackcompany.fandom.com/wiki/Lies_Weeping)

Not him, but I'd argue that Black Company is a better example.

Wasn't Black Company one of the books that inspired Berserk?

We're getting Winds though

I'll believe it when I see it.

wait really
its been like 15 years since i read all that shit but if he finishes the series i might have to reread, god damn it

He suffered from writers block and confidence issues

Lack of confidence and fear of fans expectations is no excuse for not finishing a story. A bad ending is better than no ending at all.

We still haven't gotten the Casca redemption. We just have here back to normal.

A Dream of Spring potentially related posthumously

Written by Brandon Sanderson

At least she got some of her sanity back and can at least talk to people. Even if her PTSD means she can't speak to Guts yet.

Miura is only loved because he died, if he was still alive people would still (rightfully) shit on him for his snail pacing and juvenile meta humor.

Martin said he couldn't finish the books because drumpf is president again

So he died before he became a villain like Martin did?

You forgot about one

Both fixated on cunny

I don't recall Miura saying he couldn't finish his manga because Shinzo Abe wanted to repeal article 9.

I heard people claim that but have never seen any actual proof of it.
That said, anybody who likes grimdark fantasy settings even a little bit should read the first few Black Company books at least.

For those not familiar, the core concept is that wizards can scale up to demigod power, with one eventually subjugating his continent and becoming an immortal emperor before being betrayed by his also wizard wife. The MCs are mostly non-magical mercenary company employed by the evil empire fighting off rebels not through outright strength or valor as much as planning, logistics, and dirty tricks.

I heard people claim that but have never seen any actual proof of it.

What definitely inspired Miura was the Black Sun Rising series. The name of one of the moon gods in that book? Casca.

He's been giving chapter fragments of Winds for years and still no book. If you want an ending watch the show, that's the ending he planned out

OP was talking about cons not pros

A book published in 1991 inspired a manga that started in 1989

Besides, Casca is an ancient Roman name, one of the chief conspirators for Caesar's assassination.

They are weak, women finish their work

Just the notes and general outline of the general ending, not how he would actually write it.
He actually wants the seven kingdoms to compromise with the white walkers and negotiate peace.

They are weak, women finish their work

Another example Woman working hard too finish her work

If you want an ending watch the show, that's the ending he planned out

Maybe in the broadest strokes, but the divergences were really adding up in the later seasons. I mean, the show totally skipped stuff like zombie Catelyn or fake Aegon invading Westeros.

Griffiith no longer exists, though.
And I don't think he had a plan in order for him to come back in some fashion.

Griffiith no longer exists, though.

Femto used to be griffith though, he remembers being a man, being tortured, his desire for power and to rule.

Yes but is it Berserk/ASOIAF tier?

The divergence is in season 5
That's when the writers decided to write the characters completely different

Counter point? Twelve Kingdoms. Fuyumi Ono got four books in and left tons of dangling plotlines before giving up.

Miura actually worked on Berserk. Haven't seen the taxes man do anything for years.

both works are normie slop

GRRM has more in common with Togashi.

Other fantasy authors credit GRRM for causing a general trend in fantasy getting darker.

God it's fucked up watching clips from the early seasons and the dialogue is actually decent, then going and watching later seasons where everyone is just a parody of themselves and it's like everyone in the writer's room has had all their wit drained away.

Togashi.

who?

This.

Haven't seen the taxes man do anything for years.

Martin would rather work on Elden Ring than Winds Of Winter that's at least a seperate creative project, when Miura wasn't working on berserk he was playing Idolmaster.

GRRM did finish his work and it was in season 8 of Game of Thrones. It may not be exactly what he intended but the spirit is there. It's why he refuses to write more knowing his subversive fantasy ending was received poorly.

A bad ending is better than no ending at all

As someone who's seen the ending of GoT (the series, not the books) I think you're fucking delusional

At least game of thrones let you know you'd wasted your time being a fan of the series.

A bad ending is better than no ending at all.

lmao my guy. the bad ending of AoT effectively ruined the entire series. AoT could've kept HSOTD status if it was abandoned after the first season ended.

Didn't read.

Hiatus x Hiatus author.

It could have been worse. a lot wose.

normie slop

Only HBO GoT is because it simplified a lot, even during early seasons, and toned down the weird, magical and chuuni aspects of the books drastically.

is in season 5

In season 2, many people complained about the field nurse and it wasn't even the worst deviation of that season. Theon's POV subplot changes and cuts already were the epitome of rubbish, they were idiotic and random for the sake of being unpredictable and random, the dumb and dumber duo cared only about the torture scenes and le ebin twists.

In season 2, many people complained about the field nurse and it wasn't even the worst deviation of that season.

Most of those changes were due to budget. Books and comics have different strengths when compared to film.

A bad ending is better than no ending at all.

i'm glad berserk will never be "finished" (and besides, the perfect ending was just after the eclipse; the bad guy winning in the end is a good way for berserk to end).

the perfect ending was just after the eclipse

The eclipse works as a perfect capstone to a perfect greek tragedy. Dragging it out like miura did just defeats the purpose. He never planned to give Guts or Casca a happy ending.

If it were really comparable yo a Greek tragedy, wouldn't the proper protagonist of said tragedy (Griffith) fail and fall because of hubris, fate, etc.?

Moira has proven to be a hack since circa 2010, though.

normie slop for edgelords

kekw

Claymore is based and finished, unlike Berk.

Guts is the protagonist. Not Griffith.

The anime ending sucked because it came out before the manga was finished though.

I said "proper", assuming we chose the character with the traits most befitting of the hero of a Greek tragic play

proper protagonist of said tragedy (Griffith) fail and fall because of hubris, fate, etc.?

He did fail. His hubris led to him sleeping with the princess and trying to claim the throne. Which ended with him tortured, castrated, mutilated, and left a broken wretch of man. Denied the legacy he sacrificed almost everything for. The Godhand gave him a way out to get that legacy and he took it.

I think GRRM has more in common with Togashi than with Miura.

Then Berserk should have ended in that torture dungeon

Well to get everything else he lost back, Griffith had to sacrifice the one thing he had left to the Godhand. The Band Of The Hawk, the closest thing he ever had to a family. That's also tragic. If I was in Griffiths position, I'd probably take that deal.

Oh god

Berserks ending is going to disappoint everyone and it's going to be on a scale that makes AoT look good by comparison.

no excuse for not finishing a story

I mean shit, any of us could potentially die tomorrow. The inevitable flow of time is hardly something he can be blamed with - and he did tell his vision for the story to others.

A bad ending is better than no ending at all.

Fuck no
I'm sure plenty will be disappointed with how it ends, regardless of content in the ending, but that will be mitigated by the clear point where one could call off what "counts" starting at Miura's death

Says the crying retard needing therapy!

What they actually have in common is both of them wrote stories that eventualy became so large in scope that the task of wrapping everything up became overwhelming and they got burned out.
I think both of them had in mind certain story beats they wanted to hit in their endings but no longer had a clear path or plan to get there because they inevitably added or changed things along the way in what they wrote so far. Or maybe even the ending they originally wanted no longer fit with the story so they got stuck.
I feel like this is also the case with AoT but the author is young and in good health so he stuck it out and just finished it in very rushed and shitty fashion.

I feel like this is also the case with AoT but the author is young and in good health so he stuck it out and just finished it in very rushed and shitty fashion.

I haven't participated in AoT discussion since it ended, but Isayama definitely had complete changes of the story between the start and end
Pic related was originally going to be the final panel (unless it was some 5d chess), and even before that he had envisioned a tragic ending where all the main cast dies
I fully believe the ending in the last panel was going to be Eren having killed all his friends, and living the rest of his life as the father of Historia's child, with the bittersweet fact that the rest of Paradis fell to infighting after the rumbling.
Maybe it's longstanding cope - I don't know

Because one's a white leftoid and the west is tired of that genre of human

why cant GRR martin stop overeating and farting