How much easier would it have been for Light to get caught with today's levels of surveillance

How much easier would it have been for Light to get caught with today's levels of surveillance

googles criminals names

gets caught

uses his father's files

gets caught

He searches for information about the mysterious deaths happening around the world and visits forums that discuss them.

gets caugh

Do you think Light would pull it off in 2025?

No. It's literally stated that the plot of Death Note wouldn't work in the modern day in the oneshot where instead of using it to kill people, the main character decides to sell the death note.

yeah, maybe if you're fucking stupid it wouldn't work but there's plenty of ways to get around surveillance now too, or even frame other people. Imagine all the opportunistic assholes on social media who will start claiming to be Kira and charging money or feet pics to kill people, now the FBI's got 100,000 people they have to look into before finding you

Just don't kill thousands of people every day?

googles criminals names

ok but how do you prove that I killed them?

uses his father's files

ok but maybe I was just inquisitive?

He searches for information about the mysterious deaths happening around the world and visits forums that discuss them.

he was conducting research into how cults form/sleuthing for answers

There's a lot of plausible deniability here. They had no idea he was using the Death Note because they had no idea such a thing even existed. Had Light ever been caught, they wouldn't have a case against him.
I mean even in the manga/anime, they have to resort to basically threatening his life/torturing him by locking him in an empty room for a while and that's with L who is already an overpowered anime character.
Even under the most intense torture, Light could just wipe his memory like in the show and not even he would be able to know.
The only way DN probably couldn't work is if you were in some third world country like Mexico where you get killed because a cartel member thought you killed his friends even if you're entirely innocent.

I don't know why googling criminals would be a red flag. It's not like he would be the only person in the world doing it, especially once "Kira" started gaining traction. A lot of people would be searching that shit up out of curiosity.

IRS

FBI

CIA

GLOBAL BANKING SYSTEM

J E W S

The very first instant the American government has even a 1% suspicion that you're the culprit, they'll activate their advanced military surveillance tech and turn every single device within a 100 km radius into a recording HD camera.
umors say there was no snitching on Luigi — the government simply used a highly advanced camera algorithm to catch him, but they'll never admit they have the power to do that.
You’re forgetting that in the story, when Near suspected that Light was Kira, he admitted he could have simply used government resources to kidnap him, kill him in secret, and then wait to see if the killings stopped. The only reason he didn’t do it was because he considered it cheating.

It would also be considered fucking murder

it may work easier in these days, tailsOS, tor and a bunch of things that will not really help, cuz today goverment wants fucking data

The whole series operates on the governments following the law.
Also Kira being arrogant enough to mock/taunt the investigators.
If he just randomly killed them through "accident" or "illness" they never would've found him.

You’re forgetting that in the story, when Near suspected that Light was Kira, he admitted he could have simply used government resources to kidnap him, kill him in secret, and then wait to see if the killings stopped.

I don't understand this. At this point in the story, Light was already using Mikami as a proxy. Light dying doesn't mean much if his prosecutor has the ability to act on his behalf.

The very first instant the American government has even a 1% suspicion that you're the culprit, they'll activate their advanced military surveillance tech and turn every single device within a 100 km radius into a recording HD camera.

You can just cover the camera lens with black tape. They infest his house with cameras and it still gives them no evidence because all he's doing is writing into a notebook.

goverment can't kill people! That's illegal!

The whole series operates on the governments following the law.

I just gave you an example, present in both the anime and the manga, where Near considers breaking the law.

The whole series operates on the governments following the law

Not just going after world leaders and just studying random politics and countries on the background through internet media whilst doing so.

Somehow all these motherfuckers keep dropping dead left and right.

What can L do about it? Nothing, this Kira is only interested in full on anarchy and being an actual God over said anarchy. Fuck the crims, the politicians go first.

are you retarded? One of the very first things L did was illegally installing cameras and microphones in Light's house.

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it actually would have worked better since the world would have gone chaotic and L and the task force wouldn't have the resources they have.

Neither L or Near are the government.

Literally has the permission of the homeowner.

Illegal.

I have a feeling he would have been hired by someone rich in that case. Besides, he already had plenty of resources of his own

Yup, I would have gone for big names first and keep slaying the big names in politics until it becomes too hectic for them to keep replacing them, all dying and praising Kira in text, when alone with a writing implement, prior departing from this earth.
Kek, hopefully I'm already on a watchlist. I would have failed in life if I wasn't on one just for wrongthink already.

They worked with the government; everything they did in the beginning was authorized by the government.
Near thoughts on just killing light in secret were while he was working with the goverment, meaning he would ask help from the goverment to do it.

Literally has the permission of the homeowner

They didn’t have permission to do it to the other people being investigated. And Yagami-san’s permission didn’t matter at all, L was going to do it with or without it.

Why didn't light just write "L" in the book lol

Has to be the real name you idiot, no fake names or alias, the full real legal name. Hence why it worked on the fake L, it was his real name. If you write in a person with the same person in your mind's eye at the moment of writing but you meant the other guy the one in your mind's eye would get done in by the death note. They played with this idea in Death Note where L used a popular person's name to try and trick Light to kill him knowing he had the cover of a popular person's name through deducing his methods.

You didn't watch the show or read the manga.

How would Light get caught if he just read Wikipedia articles of active criminals and their criminal organizations?

His family still didn't know about the cameras, so yeah it was illegal.

Because it's obviously not his real name
What kind of parent would name their son a letter lol.

Anyone of u guys know a fag in school who had a "deathnote" and would write names in it lol
I think there was one kid I knew who did it, but i didn't know what it was at the time

I'm gonna name my kid 7

Funny fact, "El" is a name used for Gods in phoenician/canaanite/hebrew/semitic languages. L represents God and the old Order of things and Kira represents the Light Bringer or Lucifer rebelling against the old order, his name meaning Light. Black and White, Yin and Yang symbolism. Kira biting the apple from the garden of eden symbolizing his partaking in the rebellion against God's order and abandoning of his morality, knowing of good and evil, being akin to God.

You wouldn't get it unless pointed out what this was all about. Illiteracy rates dropping really high.

It is his real name. His last name is lawliet
full name is L Lawliet

But he at potato chips, not apples

Its elohim, not "el"

Its symbolic in a lot of the anime artwork and side stuff, constantly shown with apples and shinigami liking apples etc etc.

me being poor and not having acess to a hot topic saved me from being this kid

Elohim is a specific title meaning "Lord of Hosts" Or "Lord of Lords" meaning the god of gods. The Highest God, El-o-him. El is a name used for the same figure since most of his names are just titles, you clearly don't get it.

he couldn't pull it off in 2000s, forget about 2025.

The only reason is because the author doesn't know shit about tech and thinks monitoring was invented overnight.

it happens for every single criminal amongst thousands of cases and every single time Light googles their names BEFORE

There's no plausible deniability

Nobody would get caught unless you go full retard and tell the world about yourself like Light did.

How are you going to prove a teenager killed millions of people by googling their names?

You're not going to prove it, you're going to detain him, see the murders stop suddenly, then keep raping him until he spills the beans. If you're feeling extra lenient you'll let him off the hook with someone supervising him so he'll never be able to kill again realistically but most likely you wont

Anyone who thinks it would be different greatly overexagerstes how different technology is since the 00's.

you're going to detain him, see the murders stop suddenly

Happens in the show.
Someone else is given the DN, and murders keep ocurring.

then keep raping him until he spills the beans.

Light has no recollection of the DN because he erased his memory before being caught, so the strategy here is to do the same.

If you're feeling extra lenient you'll let him off the hook with someone supervising him so he'll never be able to kill again realistically but most likely you wont

After Light is detained and possession of the DN goes to Higuchi, Light is constantly being supervised by L.
The real strategy here would be wondering who has a motive for committing murder. I think giving the DN to some bigwig corporate jew is one way to make sure no one finds out you're the killer, which is what Light does.

Someone else is given the DN, and murders keep ocurring.

That's because they gave Light prep time because they're retarded

After Light is detained and possession of the DN goes to Higuchi, Light is constantly being supervised by L.

No, they let Misa go which was also retarded
Realistically these two have no privacy anymore, simple as

That's because they gave Light prep time because they're retarded

Initially, they had no idea of knowing it was Light, zero evidence. All they knew was that Light was in the Kanto area. Investigations take time.

No, they let Misa go which was also retarded

Matsuda was posing as her manager to keep surveillance on her.

Initially

Initially yes
Let's be realistic though, they wouldn't have let up on the cameras and Light was over the moment he ended up on a list of <100 people (let alone 2, at that point there were just 2 families being suspected)

Matsuda was posing as her manager to keep surveillance on her.

Not after they caught Higuchi
They literally let Misa go to a random forest dig the note lmao

they wouldn't have let up on the cameras

It's an invasion of privacy and probably breaks several laws and regulations. A really bad look for an investigation team, but it was a shot in the dark.

Light was over the moment he ended up on a list of <100 people (let alone 2, at that point there were just 2 families being suspected)

Without evidence, it would've been absolutely impossible to do anything about it, even detain him. Light likely wouldn't have even been detained had it not been for Misa, since Rem threatened Light with death had he not saved her.

Not after they caught Higuchi

They didn't even know the nature of the DN. They hadn't anticipated a plan of that caliber.

It's an invasion of privacy and probably breaks several laws and regulations

It doesn't matter
Light is on a list of a few people and this is quite literally the most important case in human history. Nothing will EVER compare to the Kira case, it's not even close. No price is too much to pay for this, and it's not even about the people he kills

They didn't even know the nature of the DN. They hadn't anticipated a plan of that caliber.

They know Kira needs faces and also names for the 1st Kira. Literally NO reason to let any big Kira suspect unmonitored.

FFS, just think about it for half a second. Misa saw L's face. She was proven to be the 2nd Kira (at some point) with physical evidence. She would have killed L if not for the asspull

Light is on a list of a few people and this is quite literally the most important case in human history. Nothing will EVER compare to the Kira case, it's not even close. No price is too much to pay for this, and it's not even about the people he kills

And? The investigation team are still held to the laws they enforce. That's exactly what puts L at a disadvantage.

They know Kira needs faces and also names for the 1st Kira. Literally NO reason to let any big Kira suspect unmonitored.

They had absolutely no idea there were two DNs.

Misa saw L's face.

You need a name in order to kill someone using the Death Note, and L never revealed his own name to them.

She was proven to be the 2nd Kira (at some point) with physical evidence

Not with physical evidence. One of the pieces of evidence L uses to detain Misa is the surveillance placed in her home, where she is revealed to be talking to someone who is not visible in frame. This makes L suspect her, but he doesn't know she's talking to Rem.
Plenty of alibis for this. Misa could've just been schizophrenic.

Do you think Light would pull it off in 2025?

No because he's a retard.
Someone not retarded with enough prep time could do it though.
Nothing really forces you to google name by name as you murder the 'bad people' for example.
You could spend couple of years preparing the list, before you start writing.
If you're really paranoid, take a several years pause so your net history gets purged (IRL EU for example forces ISPs to keep 2 years worth of your internet history)
Establish your digital footprint, like habitually visit multiple news sites and forums so it doesn't trigger any unusual activity checks if LEAs starts looking for potential culprits later.
Make sure to randomize your killing times and don't get carried away by making your targets' deaths bizzare or unusual.
No one would even suspect a magical killing notebook exists if bunch of old and sickly 1%-ers started dropping because of medical issues.
Don't try to leave your mark in history, no one is interested in knowing your nick is xXx_SMITE_EVIL_420_NOSCOPE_xXx and you'd only draw unwanted attention.

I would simply search using my neighbours wifi

The investigation team are still held to the laws they enforce

The Death Note characters being written as retards is besides my point

They had absolutely no idea there were two DNs.

That is not the point
You do NOT let a Kira culprit go live his life unmonitored when you know you can actually catch him in the act since the act relies on him getting information on his victims
Kira can't operate under heavy, personal surveillance (not the cameras, direct surveillance) which they can dish out in this case

Not with physical evidence. One of the pieces of evidence L uses to detain Misa is the surveillance placed in her home, where she is revealed to be talking to someone who is not visible in frame. This makes L suspect her, but he doesn't know she's talking to Rem.

Read the manga again
They have over 20 different pieces of evidence showing she sent the Kira tapes
It's direct, physical evidence she's Kira, or manipulated by Kira, either way you DON'T LET HER GO LIKE THAT

Light was retarded but it was mainly because he was a naive teenager who couldn't see things on a global scale until later in the manga, and even then he was acting as some authority and global police chief likely because he grew up trying to emulate his father.

He only targeted Nipponese criminals in Nippon and it wasn't until later where his reach started to go beyond Nippon and worldwide to the point where even the President was afraid of him. His whole worldview and upbringing defined what he hated because he was a son of a Japanese cop, so logically it wouldn't have been hard to deduce that he's Japanese, which is what L does.

What should've happened (but what couldn't have happened without political screeching), is that Light should've picked up the DN and used it to completely wipe out the third world. Mexican cartels, congo militias, jeet rape gangs, jew war profiteers, all wiped out like worldwide pest control.
When foreign nations start freaking out it becomes an international concern. If you were to simply lay low, not kill random people who threaten you or insult you, not think of yourself as some "God" but actually just some based brownie exterminator then they would've had no way of finding out. Of course, pretty much the whole world at that point hates dangerous brown people including majority of the USA so while the POTUS starts freaking out all you need to do is sit and eat your tendies while not worrying about it.

use the one thing that's backdoored by surveillance

Gets found out faster than google search

Heart attack

Must be the vax

Food poisoning

Must be the cook

Car crash

Must be the driver

Breaks neck falling down stairs

Must be clumsy

Light was caught because he wanted people to notice a pattern

The Death Note characters being written as retards is besides my point

It's a public investigation everyone is aware of, it isn't a black-op. L announces he's working on finding Kira from the get go, which is a declaration he's working with the law in mind because of course he's being held to scrutiny by the entirety of Japan.

You do NOT let a Kira culprit go live his life unmonitored when you know you can actually catch him in the act since the act relies on him getting information on his victims

L was pressured by his entire team to scale back on supervision of them because of a lack of evidence, he knew better but obviously couldn't do much about it. Continuing to surveil them long-term was economically unsustainable, unmanagable and unethical and he was a private investigator so he was operating inside the boundaries of the law. The Kira investigation crew does not have unlimited resources, in fact they are a small team of about 10-12 people. L is a private investigator who funds the investigation himself and is therefore forced to consider the demands of his team unless they voluntarily leave, they're all there out of choice. L would absolutely agree with you, but he didn't exactly have many options at that point in time and this is made very blatant.

They have over 20 different pieces of evidence showing she sent the Kira tapes

All of them circumstantial. For instance, the stamps, the ink, and the notebook, all were simply similar but there was no way they could prove it was the same ones used to write to Sakura TV.

It's a public investigation everyone is aware of

Even in that context I'm pretty sure literally anyone would let this slide
The entire Death Note universe (and you, honestly) are very much underestimating how incredibly important this investigation is
We've done far worse and more law breaking for much smaller cases like "terrorism". Slap a "Kira is a terrorist" label on it and you can do a lot.

L was pressured by his entire team to scale back on supervision of them because of a lack of evidence, he knew better but obviously couldn't do much about it. Continuing to surveil them long-term was economically unsustainable, unmanagable and unethical

What the fuck are you talking about? THEY LET MISA GO like nothing?? Just because they caught Higuchi so now there's no need to monitor her? Why are you talking about economics when L can shit out skyscrapers for the hell of it? Higuchi is caught so nobody should watch Misa even though L had someone tail Misa and break into her house just based on a hunch alone after he saw her meet with Light, long before he had any evidence of her being Kira? But NOW that she's confirmed to be a Kira pawn and that everything is clearly fishy she just... goes????

All of them circumstantial

No, they had enough evidence to put her into the bondage suit and more or less torture her for a month. They had ABSOLUTELY ZERO DOUBT. They wouldn't do that if there was any doubt on the matter.

The entire Death Note universe (and you, honestly) are very much underestimating how incredibly important this investigation is

Because a) the "Kira case" is basically a myth at that point since all they have stringing these deaths together are the cause of death, nature of victim, and region (nothing tangible that connects them out except mere correlation) and b) much of the public agrees with kira and even worships him. Interpol brings in L because he's solved the world's most difficult cases before and leaves it at that, thinking he would get the job done. Obviously it becomes far worse later on when Light extends his scope and it becomes an even greater international affair.

Higuchi is caught so nobody should watch Misa even though L had someone tail Misa and break into her house just based on a hunch alone after he saw her meet with Light, long before he had any evidence of her being Kira? But NOW that she's confirmed to be a Kira pawn and that everything is clearly fishy she just... goes????

Her meeting with Light doesn't mean much, and he never has any conclusive proof Misa is an accomplice of Kira or Kira itself. That's why Rem kills L, to stop him from finding that out when she runs to dig up the DN.

No, they had enough evidence to put her into the bondage suit and more or less torture her for a month.

Completely unethically and unlawfully until the team finally said enough is enough. L needs his crew in order to take down Kira, so he compromises for them.

Because a) the "Kira case" is basically a myth at that point

I'm out
There's literally no way any discussion with you is going anywhere

I'm out

Ok.
It's been fun discussing Death Note with you anyway. I have discussed this in good faith all the way through since I like this series a lot.
Bye anon.

Problem with cartel members is that they have their ski masks on covering their faces and they use code names so its nearly impossible to identify the criminals in LATAM and those sorts of places, you could go after the dirty local cops but you would have harder time pulling up their data without their searches being linked to you unlike generic world leaders.

based L Misa shipper

they will get his ip.
if he download the whole wikipedia (with thumbnails is not that heavy) and then kill criminals he is safe

you're charged with murder of these criminals because.... you googled their names!!!

Yeah I don't think that's going to work buddy

police will start torturing him on an assumption that he killed people with magic

ok

muh google

He wouldn't need to google every name. He could just look up lists of notorious criminals or watch true crime shit on youtube.

plausible deniability is irrelevant realistically because it's based on the assumption that authorities actually care about law
what would actually happen is that if they have enough suspicions they will send cianiggers after you ass to make you disappear, if the crimes stop after you die it's case closed, if they go on they'll move on to the next suspect

You retards keep going "nuhuh why are police going to believe in MAGIC? lol are you stupid?" because your mouthbreathing ass can't even begin to picture or conceive a Kira world

Kira world

It's the same world as ours, dumbo. In our world when people start dropping dead under mysterious circumstances people suspect Mossad and vaccines, not magic murder beam