Nagano Yuki

Nagano Yuki.
That is all.

It's nagato, fucking retard

Rewrites the world because.... muh feelings

Why was she like this?

I mean you would also go atleast a bit crazy after having to repeat summer vacation 15000 times

She wanted to be a real human bean (and a real hero)

she was a little crazy even before that but imagine sticking your dick in that. honestly i'm sure it would heal her if she got laid.

my feelings are more important than the world waaaa waaa

typical foid

don't insult my wife like that

what the hell is a foid? this anime isn't older than me i don't know zoom cuckold slang

I would never let her feel sad

kys pedo

She's 598 years old, dumbass

foid =femoid bitches
aka women

her feelings are more important

Yes. I sincerely thought Kyon would sacrifice himself to ensure the world did not change back the moment he knew Yuki changed it. I am shocked that he barely put her opinion into his decision.

It ain't right.

You guys misunderstand it a bit. Yuki herself was unsure if she wanted the world she created. If she was totally sure of it, she wouldn't have created the escape program and keft kyon with the responsibility to choose. Ultimately she let him make the decision because she trusted his judgment more than her own. She went through alot, but she was also asking herself the same question that kyon was. Is the world where haruhi is at the center a fun world? Yuki didn't understand her own feelings when they arose(this is a condition called alexithymia). she didn't understand why she was tired or upset or angry during the endless eight, she didn't understand that she was having fun catching bugs and playing video games and reading books, she didn't understand anything despite observing everything. Just look at the person she "chose" to be. The alt-yuki is a timid and shy girl, who can be a little assertive at times, but is ultimately extremely passive and weak. Her decision to remake the world wasn't done because she wanted to be in charge, it was an attempted suicide. It was a cry for help. Afterwards, when it was all over, kyon made it clear to her and made her understand who she is. She's their friend and they will always look out for her. Kyon threatend the other ayys by telling them

haruhi and I will wipe you out of existence just to get Yuki back, you fucking spaceniggers

And that was when Yuki got some level of peace and understand about her place. Her job is to observe. But she is more than that. She's a part of the birgade and she gets to have fun with them every day. Yuki did nothing wrong actually, she just needed some help to come back to herself

And as final proof of it, the last shot in the movie is her covering up what is so obviously a smile becsuse she remembered when kyon helped her get a library card. This is THE yuki, not the alt-yuki, understanding herself and her emotions. Disappearance is fucking beautiful

Ultimately she let him make the decision because she trusted his judgment more than her own.

Partially, yes but I see it more like an invitation to a wedding from your best friend. It is an invitation, and you are not forced to attend, but obviously you should always accept the invitation as long as you have the means to do so. If you are unable to attend, then it should be a difficult decision to make it should not be done hastily. I think Kyon made the wrong choice because he did not properly consider her opinion, and also in the end, he picked the wrong option.

Yuki didn't understand her own feelings when they arose(this is a condition called alexithymia)

I agree, but such conditions and her inability to fully socialize are bad in of themselves, even if other factors are ignored. She expresses some sadness over how she was created(I forget which LN had the conversation). To chalk her opinion up to the conditions surrounding her, as opposed to how she was constructed to be, feels like it is misses the point.

Disappearance is fucking beautiful

True.

He doesn’t seem to care about Yuki nearly as much as he should. He sat on his hands and let her experience and remember over 15,000 essentially identical weeks, instead of try to break out of the loop as soon as he learned about it. Maybe he deserves a bitch like Haruhi after all.

Well I don't think that he really understood the weight of what she was going through. I also dont think she understood it either. But for him, it was happening for the first time every time. The 15000 number just felt too unreal so he couldn't process it
I understand where you're coming from, but I respectfully disagree. I don't think he made the wrong choice. First of all, I think fundamentally changing who several of the characters are and leaving them that way is morally and narratively wrong. The alt-yuki was not the real yuki, and she is the one who is most different from her original. Some of the others may have been "fine" going from original to their alts, but haruhi specifically was unhappy. The world yuki created was one where haruhi was essentially doomed to being depressed. What gives yuki the right to sacrifice haruhi's happiness for her own? Yes, haruhi put yuki through alot of trauma(not necessarily the proper word here, but it fits somewhat with endless eight) but none of that was intentional. If haruhi knew what she was doing, I don't believe she would keep doing it on purpose to torture her friends, whom she has been shown to care about deeply even if her behavior is imperfect because of her self-centeredness. But back to yuki, is it even her own happiness anymore? Is she even herself anymore if she is disconnected from the very thing that made her her? Mikuru said it directly when kyon was trying to convince her to undo everything. "There's no point. This isn't our yuki. She is powerless." Note also that the version of yuki who was created was also still deeply afraid, as she constructed the class rep(forgot her name) again to protect her to the death; the alt-yuki still maintained flaws and "errors" like the original, it wasn't a wholely positive change, infact I would argue it was mostly negative. So I think that in the end reverting things back to the original state turned out to be a net positive for everyone involved

Haruhi is happier in the original
Kyon is happier in the original
Mikuru would probably be fine either way, but adult mikuru did say that all of her memories of the birgade are good memories
Kozumi uhhhhhhh idk actually kozumi mightve gotten to plap haruhi in the alt world but in the original he doesn't stand a chance, (in all honesty he is probably the least intresting character with the least to him, so it's hard to tell if he would be better or worse off)
And, most importantly, the most complex character, Yuki...
After all was said and done yuki grew a greater understanding of herself and her place in the world. She learned, also, to lean on people like her friends. She learned how to accept the good emotions, and (im assuming a bit here) how to deal with the negative ones in a more healthy manner by contrast.
I think to sum it all up, to conclude my opinion, I will say this
The alt-yuki is a yuki that is less than she was before; the yuki after the reversal is a yuki that is more. This, more than anything, is why kyon was right to choose the original world; because it is the one where they grow as people, rather than regress into a state that is a rejection of who they are
I love Yuki

yeah, and fucking mikuru's flabby obasan titties would be amazing, i thought as i read all that.

Media literacy anon, the bane of speedwatchers... Loved that last thread you made btw, I'll answer to some of it when I get PC access in a few weeks, but for now I'll just say would more likely a way for Yuki to express enjoyment and appreciation by raising one of the things that give her these feelings in front of herself.
Also a lot of what you said can be looked at through the next LNs perspective and it gives off a lot of interesting conclusions regarding the way Yuki works, evolves and expresses herself.

I will never meet a girl as perfect as Nagato. Why even live?

media literacy

Yes actually...!

What do you think of the Yuki anime?

Blasphemous. Different writer, genre, and animators. From what I have seen she does not even have the same personality as "alternative" Yuki does in the disappearance movie. It just seems like a completely different series and if you are a fan of Yuki you will probably not get what you want out of the series. But I have not actually watched it so I may be wrong.

Mahou Shoujo

I watched it and honestly everything outside of Nagato is good, seeing Haruhi not being an absolute douche was nice to see.
At least there's a lot of frames of Nagato being cute

I don't like that Yuki is out of character.

Yuki spinoff did NOT deserve to be the last of anime haruhi

Maybe her butt hurts?

It is genuinely exhilarating to have someone other than me in these threads who is both knowledgeable and determined enough to provide properly detailed responses to the people who fail to comprehend how Kyon choosing the original world over the alternate world wasnt a bad thing for Yuki in the slightest, and was in actuality the morally correct choice as it affirmed Yuki being a valuable person capable of happiness being just the way she is, as whilst it is true that whilst the way she was born, without social capabilities and with a fundamental difficulty to recognize her own emotions, do make life more difficult for her in a lot of ways, these same things are also the very same things that make her care about life and the things within it for the reasons that she does, these unique characteristics of her are ultimately what define the person of Yuki Nagato, which includes all her fears and dreams, and choosing to erase these things that define her due the bad things, also thus erases all the good things that come from them aswell, which entirely defeats the point of changing herself as it fundamentally undermines the very reason for doing so in the first place which was not just to escape from the negative aspects of what defines her, but also to be able to fully embrace the positive aspects of what defines her.

As such the correct course of action isnt to erase the things that define who she is and replace them with more socially adaptable traits, but on the contrary it is to learning to embrace these traits, fully nurturing them to know how to deal with the negatives, and how to let the positive aspects flourish.

I'm with the wall text anon.
Really, it should be obvious to anyone who has actually watched the movie, methinks.

I was unaware of its existence

But we're both walls of text anons

She expressed frustration not sadness over the way she is, as the way she is causes her major difficulties when it comes to communicating with others and in social situations in general.

However it is made very,VERY clear throughout the LNs how Nagato being the way she is, socially awkward, generally quiet, bookish, blunt etc. is a good thing precisely because these things define who she is, and to remove these things would be saying how essentially how she would of been better of never been born, as she is incapable of ever being happy the way she is, which is something the series takes a strong stance against.

That part which youre referring to Kyon and Nagato are discussing about how they can deal with Kuyoh Suoh, and if having a conversation with her would help, which leads into the following:
“Words…” Nagato spoke in a thin voice, barely above a sigh. “Words are difficult. I am not currently able to conduct discourse with another organic interface. My verbal communication facility is insufficient.”

I’d known that much from the beginning. But her silent nature was an important part of who she was—both for me and for Haruhi, I said.

“I…” she began, her expressionless face transparently biting back the frustration she felt. “If as an individual I had been given social capabilities…”

Her pale expression was infinitesimally close to blank.

“The possibility of my gaining tools like Ryoko Asakura’s was not zero. I was not made that way. I cannot change my predefined index. Until I cease functioning, I will be… as… I am.”

Nagato’s eyes were closed about three millimeters as they gazed up at the featureless ceiling.

From this you can tell how whilst she is indeed quite frustrated at her difficulties in social contexts as a result of how she was born, and I mean who wouldnt be, she is accepting of the fact, not at all disputing Kyons claim here of it being an important part of who she is.

I fully agree with you and cannot think of anything else to add at the moment, except for the fact that Yuki is very cute
Not only does she look cute, but her behavior and mannerisms are cute. The way she speaks is cute. The way she reads books constantly is cute. The way she doesn't realizes she's showing deep enjoyment of things she's doing, like recoding the space game, or playing guitar, or wearing that wizard outfit, is fucking CUTE! Yuki is cute cute cute!

Cont. fromLike if all she did was allow herself the ability to be emotionally expressive, that would of been good, as it would of addressed a bulk of where her issues come from, and it would retain the essence of who she ultimately is, with all the good things that let her experience happiness before.

Because what did end up happening was her rewriting her entire personality, making her act in a way completely unlike who she is, and on top of that without almost any of the memories she held before, and the few she retained were altered, which like the other anon said is the equivalent of suicide, as none of the person that existed before remained, a person who was capable of and was happy before, not always or even frequently, but she was and the only right course of action is to bring her back and help her be happy frequently the way she is, which is what ended up happening in the LNs.

Biting mikuru's shoulders...

Don't get me wrong; I understand this perspective, but I don't think it is as simple as you make it out to be. The argument is very similar to the question of "If you could take a pill to cure your autism/personality disorder would you do it?". One can clearly see how a disorder causes problems in one's life but these also come to mark one's personality, if it is "cured" then in some sense, you are losing that part of yourself. Some will also see certain disorders as only being disorders due to societal pressure and outside influence; if society at large changes its perspective then the disorder stops being a disorder. Some blind people also hold this view and think of their blindness as integral to who they are. From this perspective, it makes sense that changing the world back and simply being more caring of Nagato's wishes would be the right choice.

I personally disagree with this view, and I would be willing to take the pill. Certain problems are too fundamental to one's psyche to remedy with external means or by just accepting ones faults, as a result I may be more inclined to hold a negative view toward Kyon's actions. I don't think Kyon's choice would always be bad, but I think that he should have thought more about the actions taken as she clearly did decide to "take the pill" in the first place, so she must have some thoughts regarding this. Instead, his decision seemed to almost entirely be a selfish desire to return the world back to normal. It was presented as a pro/con only for Kyon, but not for Nagato.

which like the other anon said is the equivalent of suicide

Yes, it is similar; I agree, but I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing.

It was a very big overreaction to all of the stress she had been under, but completely understandable. It was an extreme measure because she was under extreme pressure. The weight of the endless summer finally collapsed and having to constantly damage control haruhi's movie antics was getting exhausting. If she were in a more rational state, she might have been able to just "borrow" some of haruhi's power to give herself more sociable traits and then deal with the consequences of her "bosses" being upset with her for doing so, but I get the feeling her decision to remake the world and herself was done in a much more paniced state without too much thought put into it beyond "I can't do this anymore"
Once again, if she were sure of her own decision making, she would have erased kyon's memories, too and not left a contingency plan in place.

don't act like you wouldn't do the same to get with a girl you like

Yuki is a witch, Rei is a robot.

Those are reasonable points, however I want to go back to the others characters as well. Yes, kyon's decision was presented as if it was entirely his own because we see from his perspective, however I don't think you're giving him enough credit. I think both the attempt at convincing her to change things back, and the long talk he had with her on the rooftop show that he was thinking about her feelings when making the decision. I think he was also thinking about everyone else's feelings, too. Yuki's decision didn't just impact her alone. They also impacted the rest of the birgade, and haruhi the most, as she was stripped(hot) powerless and left in a life of boredom which would have lead to deeper and deeper depression as time went on. Yuki's decision did JUST amount to a form a suicide, but also a form of murder, as fundamental aspects of the others were also changed since they needed to be for the world to be "normal"
I don't think it's right to pull others into this decision against their will, no matter how much Yuki was hurting, and I think that on some level she knew that and that's one of the reasons she left the escape plan

Yuki is a cute, rei is a cute.

yuki's decision didn't*

Well in that case this isnt a matter of the Kyon not taking Yukis feelings into consideration, but rather it is a matter of your moral beliefs being different from the series authors moral beliefs, and mine for that matter.

Because this exact subject was something I personally dealt with throughout my childhood, where I was diagnosed with autism, and was recommended medications to help deal with it and other things, but I decided to outright refuse any artificial altering to my personality as I viewed them to be disingenuous and to be killing who I was and replacing it with someone else.

As such despite the fact I was unhappy with the way my life was, and wishing for things to change, the only change I would accept was the one which came about as a natural consequence of me finding happiness, not an alteration in my personality.

And the thing is Yuki most certainly held the same opinion as me consciously, as we can tell from her referring to her actions as a mistake and her becoming aberrant immediately after her being restored, the reason she went through with it is because of her subconscious self overcoming her conscious self, as she held the same intrusive desires to be different as I did, but she was simply far more traumatized than I was because she lived through almost 600 years of this struggle, whereas I lived through 6 years of it as the issues cropper up in puberty.

So no, she didnt take the pill, she just felt forced into it, however she went far beyond that as she also completely altered her memories, and you cant tell me how this wasnt a bad thing for her and how Kyons choice wasnt correct.

But also like she didnt just remove her autism, she completely altered her personality in a way that which made her act completely unlike her original self, which makes this argument void.

But at the end of the day she is a tier 1 autistic the main difficulty her autism causes her is it makes it far more difficult to make and maintain relationships

Cont.

And this issue was addressed at the end of Disappearance with Kyon promising to be there for her, and their friendship from this point on is pretty close, and she even manages to develop decent friendships with Haruhi and Tsuruya, as such the main struggle of tier 1 autism is resolved.

Her frustrations that she expressed in Surprise arent existenial lamentations about her inability to find happiness as a result of the way she was born, but rather they are lamentations of her lack of social capabilities(autism) making it difficult to handle social situations that dont involve people she is familiar with, its definitely really annoying, and I can relate to that immensely, but its not something which causes me to lose my sleep over all the time, at worst it makes it a lot harder to handle important matter at school, which is quite infuriating ngl, and she is very clearly expressing that frustration as she is annoyed with persisting difficulties at school, and with fulfilling her duties regarding the Data Overmind, but its not something she would change if it would mean being unable to enjoy the things she enjoys now the same way.

we can agree to disagree as long as we agree that Yuki is a cute

Yuki being cute is objective.

you haven't addressed how Yuki's actions affected the others

It mostly comes down to two reasons. First of all, Yuki's pain was significantly worse in comparison to the others. This does not necessarily justify it but makes it more justifiable. The second reason is a quasi antinatalist argument that it is better to not experience pain rather than experience happiness. While the second world was, in some sense, worse for the others, it was a fairly ordinary life, and I would not say it caused pain but rather hindered their happiness. Of course, this can still be seen as bad, but it is nowhere near the same level of subjecting one to pain. Also, I like Yuki. For those reasons, I don't view her selfish act as significantly bad; it is still "bad", but not to the extent that I think she should not have done it.

I'm pretty sure this was the point that kyon was making when talking about her just before his epic decision making montage. She wasnt supposed to feel emotions, but they developed as she spent time with the birgade, and she wasn't equipped to deal with it because her ayy bosses didn't give her the capacity to do so. I guess they didn't anticipate her spending 600 fucking years repeating the same summer driving her up the fucking wall

I also think that it wasn't that "bad" because in the end, she and kyon both grew as people and grew closer together because of it. Also because we got a fucking KINO movie out of it, too. But as for your other point, I can sympathize somewhat with the anti-natalist perspective, as I've had thoughts like that, too, and still hold some of them as remanents from back when I was deeply depressed, but I don't completely agree with it. But at this point were leaning more into philosophical discussion about the meaning of pain, suffering, and life- etc. And that may be too deep of a discussion to come from a fucking cute girls slice of life anime lmao
But one thing I would recommend, which colors my own personal beliefs, is C.S Lewis' book, "the problem of pain". It's too much to get into, but one of his major points is that people generally misunderstand pain and confuse it for suffering, and that pain itself isn't necessarily a bad thing. Anyways, I wonder if Yuki read Narnia

I'm tired of Yuki simps
Post moar Haroohie

Cuteruhi

: D

what if she got pregnant?

I need new lns
I also need fan tls for intuition and theatre (yenpress is awful)

I would take responsibility

Haruhi is my Goddess. Yuki is my wife.

Every instance of different yukatas we see across endless eight

And any Haruhi is cuteruhi

Very nice

bump

I understand the issue of alexithymia and the inability to properly experience emotions quite well, that is THE main issue that Ive had to deal with throughout my entire life ffs, and me discovering Yuki was the catalyst I needed to finally be able to overcome it, in finding someone with whom I could develop a bond strong enough to allow my emotions to finally manifest.

However I would never, under any circumstances give up the very reason why I came to love all sorts of things in life, natural sciences, history, video games, simply learning and reading about these topics for hours on end, every day, that made life feel worth living, things that Ive felt always felt Ive loved because of the way I was, and if I were to change who I was, then I would no longer be able to love these things in the same way.

This is why despite how miserable I was at times as a result of my autism with alexithymia, I always sought after a solution which would allow me to change naturally for the better, rather than an artificial solution.

And Im pretty sure Yuki felt the same way aswell, you can tell pretty clearly just how deeply she loves reading books, using computers, and just in general learning and reading about all the many natural wonders of the world, and the reason why she created the alternate world was because her repressed feelings/desires blew up, despite her conscious resistance, and nowhere is this more obvious than in the creation of Asakura for the sake of protecting her from harm under all circumstances.

Ill post her short story from Editor in chief just to show how deeply she came to love these things, which ultimately came about because of the way she was, and the unique perspective she had on life.

It was XXXX ago that I met a girl who said she was a ghost.

I asked her name. “I have no name,” she answered. “Because I have no name, I am a ghost. You are the same as me, aren’t you?” she said, smiling.

It was true. I was also a ghost. A being who was able to speak with ghosts was also a ghost. As I am now. But I knew that I was once named Yuki, a name that sounded like snow.

“Now then, shall we go?” she said, and I went with her. Her stride was fast, and she seemed like she was alive. “We can go anywhere. Where is it that you would like to go?”

I thought about it for a while. Where was I trying to go? Where was I? Why was I here?

But all I could do as I stood there was look into her dark eyes.

“Weren’t you thinking of going to XXXX?”

It was she who finally answered. When I heard her words, I finally understood my purpose. Yes. That was where I was trying to go. Why had I forgotten? Why had I forgotten such an important role, the very reason for my existence?

It was something I should never have forgotten.

“Well, that’s settled then.”

The girl smiled happily. I nodded and said my thanks.

“Good-bye.”

The girl disappeared, and I remained. Perhaps she had returned to where she belonged. Just as I was trying to return to where I belonged.

Something white began falling from the sky. Small, unstable water crystals. They disappeared as soon as they contacted the ground.

They were one of the wonders that fill all of space-time. This world is overflowing with wonders. I stood there, still. The passage of time lost all meaning.

That wondrous stuff continued to fall, piling up like cotton.

I decided to give it my name.

So I thought, and in thinking so, I became a ghost no longer.

Up until that point, I had not been alone. There were many of me. I was one of many.

My other selves, once bound together like ice, soon dispersed like water, then finally diffused like vapor.

One atom of that vapor was me.

I could go anywhere. I went many places and saw many things. But I learned nothing. The act of seeing was the only function I was permitted.

I performed that function for a long span. Time was meaningless. In that false universe, no illusion held any meaning.

But eventually I found meaning. Proof of existence.

Matter attracts matter. That was true and correct. It was because it possessed a shape that I was drawn in.

Light, darkness, inconsistency, sense. I met each, intersected with each. I did not have their capabilities, but I might have liked to have them.

If I were permitted to, I would have them.

As I continued to wait, would those wonders fall?

Those tiny wonders.

Yuki is an autist (with alexithymia), Rei is a schizoid.

Yeah sure, but what do we think about mikuru?

The worst. Would have been better without her

Extremely gay-coded post desu