They could have saved themselves a lot of trouble if they just sent some adults to bring back Sasuke instead of kids. It may not have seemed like a high priority at the time but I'm sure they regretted that decision.
Naruto
Did you forget the part where they had only a handful of Jōnin left to spare for the mission only a couple days ago, and then those guys got ganged up on which is why they had to send the F team?
And that is why this arc was so good
Each of them picks off one member of the Sound 4
They barely survive because they're all still inexperienced
As a kid it blows your mind
shikamarus about to make like kibas dog and shit on the street
the fat retard should have died though he literally ate the balls of death and lived wtf
tfw they sent a fucking dog
Best arc in the series btw
b-but Pain ar-
cope
Choji and Kiba both should've died.
Maybe also Neji. It would've felt like a waste of his character after the chuunin exams, but it's not like he wasn't wasted anyway.
It's a pretty mediocre arc that consists of a string of 1v1s and shitty gay flashbacks. It doesn't even come NEAR the kino of Pain.
Pain arc
The ending completely destroys it.
Reminder Sasuke would've won.
I don't the get obsession so many retards have for the pain arc. Its ending is pure trash, the moral dilemma it's trying to present is retarded, and most of the invasion consists of random Konoha jobbers getting killed by Pain.
You're genuinely a tasteless and pathetic moron.
nah sasuke doesnt know how to dig
Kakashi was on a very special mission doing something really important somewhere!!!!!!! TRUST ME. same with Jiraiya. oh and a genin could just walk out of a village and bypass security that easily LMAO
Kakashi was on a very special mission doing something really important somewhere!!!!!!! TRUST ME. same with Jiraiya. oh and a genin could just walk out of a village and bypass security that easily LMAO
The moral dilemma is retarded because Pain's completely in the right, his entire goal is achieve the kind of peace we have today, and for all we know that's the closest you can possibly get to world peace. Kishimoto fucked himself in the ass for introducing a major villain with a goal like that because now you gotta portray it as the villain being completely wrong and whatnot. What makes the arc even more retarded is that Madara essentially does what Pain wanted to accomplish and successfully reunites all the nations for world peace due to the 4th War, even Sasuke's final goal to create world peace revealed in his final fight with Naruto before turning good was literally Pain's dream which wasn't even necessary because Madara already did it.
What the arc should've been about was instead of Naruto pulling the "NO YOU'RE WRONG, HERE'S WHY IM RIGHT" card, it should've just been about him flipping off all the moral dilemmas and fighting for what he thinks is right
it was DBZ at that point. you were witnessing Vegeta killing millions and then Goku talking to lord Yama in the afterlife to revive everyone with ShenLong no jutsu
The moral dilemma is retarded because Pain's completely in the right, his entire goal is achieve the kind of peace we have today, and for all we know that's the closest you can possibly get to world peace.
You have to understand that Kishimoto is Japanese. Naruto is for Japanese audiences.
Yes, in the long run, nuking Japan worked out for the greater good. The world is more peaceful now than before WWII and even Japan has one of the highest standards of living and enjoys a prosperity it never could have without ripping that bandaid off.
But you're never going to get a Japanese person to see nukes (or allegories for nukes like Bijuu bombs) in a positive light.
Yes, in the long run, nuking Japan worked out for the greater good.
how sure are you?
You're a huge retard if you think you made any point
Well, there was 20 years between ww1 and ww2, and we're coming up on 100 years since ww2 ended with no ww3 in sight, so pretty sure.
where is our daily chappie ?
Pain's completely in the right,
No he isn't, and everyone that says this is a pretentious retard with a double digit IQ.
He literally nuked all of Konoha when he had no reason to just because Tsunade made him mad. He's literally just using muh cycle of hatred as a coping mechanism to appear as if he has some ulterior noble motives when he does shit that makes him as evil as Orochimaru. The fact that you don't realise this makes you an utter pseudo-intellectual moron.
he says while seething and being too stupid to be able to counter any of the points made in that post
I wonder if retards like you realise that you're a laughingstock, and everyone else keeps mocking you for how much of an autistic and pathetic clown you are, lmao.
LET'S GET A CUP OF WATTAH
Nardo women are so pathetic
Pein is doing what we would do with powers. Destroying the village and making Leaf women his breeding slave. He's some barbarian khan who got rejected by the village milk truck.
Kiba got bailed out so it’s fine, Choji is the one who basically ate hyper poison and sat around for potentially hours and still lived
Chunin exams was better
Wait 8 hours.
It was an incredible payoff to the series up to that point. "Pain" finally steps out to reveal himself after years of being a mystery character. Jiraiya's death sets the stage for Naruto to surpass him, and teaches Naruto to empathize with Sasuke's anger. The village is successfully destroyed after Orochimaru failed in Part 1, and Naruto gets so mad that he nearly gives into his full demon mode. The saga was so hype, people thought the manga was ending.
You're not worth dignifying with an answer though.
and teaches Naruto to empathize with Sasuke's anger
by befriending the guy who nuked his village? that's like Sasuke going to Itachi and hugging him instead of using Chidori and wanting to murder him as his life mission
Pretty sure that they addressed this, all the other adult ninjas are out on a mission, so the best they could send out were the child soldiers.
Sasuke vs Naruto was infinitely better than anything about Pain
The village is successfully destroyed after Orochimaru failed in Part 1
And then Yamato rebuilds it in like 1 week, and there are 0 casualties because everyone was revived at the end. Stop praising this cancer, it's embarrassing. At least Orochimaru's assault seemed to have more of a lasting impact, the people that got killed in it stayed death, and there had to be an entire arc dedicated to finding a new hokage to replace Hiruzen. The attack also stayed relevant in the Sasuke Retrieval arc, since the Leaf ran out of jonin to send after the Sound Four so they had to resort to the side characters from the chunin exams.
Also the fight between Naruto vs Pain is bullshit because Naruto literally had to be saved by an asspulled deus ex machina.
Kiba both should've died.
Why?
He's some barbarian khan who got rejected by the village milk truck.
Why would the village milk truck reject him? They are supposed to serve milk to customers?
oh and a genin could just walk out of a village and bypass security that easily LMAO
He had an escort.
securing the last pair of sharingan is not top priority for the village
Neji should have definitely died, he's arc was complete. He became a non-character in Shiduupen anyway
4 guys who lose to choji and kiba and stayed undetected all this time
and stayed undetected all this time
They were an elite hand-picked squad by Orochimaru. They underestimated their opponents because they were kids and had to recover from fighting tokubetsu jonin with their version 1 states.
Rock Lee
gets beaten by the sound jobbers in the forest
gets stomped and crippled by Gaara who walks away unharmed from their battle
watches Sasuke fight Gaara with the moves he copied from him, but he does a better job at using them
forced by the writer to say how he envies Sasuke's natural talent
gets saved and humiliated by the guy that previously crippled him in the Retrieval arc
will become absolutely irrelevant in part 2, and anything he could've accomplished will simply be done by Gai, who is objectively a superior fighter to him in every possible way
What a fucking miserable character.
HAAAAAAAAAAAA
I don't the get obsession so many retards have for the pain arc
It's a good arc but I don't get why people love it so much either.
I enjoyed Kage Summit even more. That was the last peak of the series for me before the disorgnanized mess of the War arc
Even if they brang back sasuke, then what? Are they gonna monitor him 24/7 so he doesn't escape? His goal is literally to flee to orochimaru and he would take every chance to do it
Which is worse
being a character with potential that dies very early before doing anything interesting like Dosu
or
being a character with potential that stays alive but remains a background character that will never accomplish anything like more than half of the characters from the Chunin exams
hey kid you really want to kill Itachi? Ok we’ll train you some new techniques so don’t leave
fighting tokubetsu jonin with their version 1 states.
actually they went 2nd state for "tokubetsu" (Genma)
Kage Summit
I'd say that's when shit began getting REALLY disorganized, since they introduced like 20 new characters to an already bloated cast, so you knew that anyone introduced in part 1 that didn't get any time to shine before the summit will probably never do anything relevant.
Second one
That which never happens remains perfect
Being a jobber fraud with sharingan.
Waa waaa the usage of one single jutsu in the end completely undermined the absolute kino the rest of it was
Stfu troon go back to watching bleach or something instead of parroting someone's low iq take.
What kino, the entire assault boiled down to Pain killing random jobbers from Konoha
You have so much shit taste, kek
Where was Minato sitting? Where is that rock throne in Naruto's mind?
i can easily name 4 characters that fit this criteria
Naruto's training failed and he loses to Pain but he gets saved by a deus ex machina
That is one of the worst parts of this shitty arc, wtf are you on about? How can people praise this garbage?
the entire clan got killed by a highschool kid and a simp
It's a shitty fight in every way (choreography and themes). Naruto vs Pain UTTERLY shits on it, it's not even close
kek retards like you are why this entire fanbase is a laughingstock
fg shits on shippuden so hard
shippuden only nice moments are early shippuden with sasuke v itachi and naruto v pain
He does however, know how to cheat.
If Pein won Tsunade would get hooked up to chakra rods and be milked for eternity.
fg shits on shippuden
What is fg?
Naruto vs Pain has better tactics, choreography, pacing, themes and climaxes. All Naruto vs Sasuke has going for it is being between the two main characters, being gay, and having thousands of Linkin Park AMVs because of the time it was released. In truth, part 1 is pretty shitty in many ways.
so you knew that anyone introduced in part 1 that didn't get any time to shine before the summit will probably never do anything relevant
I had already given up p1 characters ever being relevant again before that point
I liked seeing all the Kage from the other villages, it helped flesh out the ninja world a bit. Shame they quickly became jobbers to make Madara look cool
Edgy Sasuke was also entertaining as fuck
I know this is an unpopular opinion since so many think Naruto just went to total shit after Pain but idgaf
Hard pill to swallow is that Deidara and Sasori would beat Sage Naruto.
Kiba could have just been crippled/in rehab for x time, but yeah, Choji should have died. He even had a good death panel.
Additionally, it would have raised the stakes somewhat, and would have allowed with more team reshuffling. Instead of imidiatly leaving and timeskipping there could have been more interpersonal stuff with the now two teams and how they go from there.
How? Deidara and Sasori together?
Solo 1v1
You can't kill him narratively because then the trio teamwork team would end up a duo and that just doesn't work.
Deidara can beat almost anyone so it's not too weird to imagine. I don't know about Sasori. Sage Naruto would destroy MS Sasuke but might do worse than Hebi Sasuke against Deidara, showing PLs aren't linear.
No one thinks any arc from Shippuden is the best anything unless they are the most literal downie retard possible.
consists of a string of 1v1s and shitty gay flashback
As opposed to what, Pain killing a bunch of literal whos and shitty flashbacks to his childhood and his 2 friends that are another ripoff of Team 7?
Tell the truth
Tons of seething ensues
Pain arc really is garbage, but it has some cool moments and visual aesthetics
there was no tension because Guy only needed to go 8 gates and send Pain to the shadow realm, along with his gay tree base deep hidden in the forest. Gayruto wasn't even needed and he even lost
hebi sasuke stomps sage naruto and ms sasuke loses to sage naruto
As opposed to
Jiraiya infiltrating the rain village
Flashback of war orphans and Jiraiya's mission
Jiraiya vs Pain, one of the best fights in the series and best impactful death scene
ripples of Jiraiya's death changing everything in Konoha, Naruto needing to get over it thanks to Iruka and Shikamaru's help
Naruto training and learning not only SM but also Jiraiya's will
Pain slaughtering the village is mostly offscreen but Kakashi's fight was great
Naruto vs Pain is probably the best fight in the series period (in the manga at least)
It's not even close.
Sage Naruto rapes both Hebi and MS Sasuke but Hebi Sasuke gets raped worse because he doesn't get to hide inside Susano and pray for a lucky Amaterasu, Naruto just rapes in CQC
That's retroactive logic. At the time we didn't know 8 gates Guy could take Madara.
susano ms sasuke rapes sage naruto though
hebi sasuke one taps with kirin and cursed mark
You know what else is better in Part 1 than Shippuden? The art, especially the character expressions. The villains' face actually look menacing in part 1. Skeleton Hidan being unhinged after stabbing himself to kill Asuma looks ridiculously tame compared to Zabuza grinning when he remembers killing his comrades. Shippuden art might be cleaner but the expressiveness isn't as good as Part 1
>Flashback of war orphans and Jiraiya's mission
I'll train these random orphans for months in the war time, Tsunade and Orochimaru you can go home and do war things (also ignore this kid with fucking Rinnegan Orochimaru bro)
makes so much sense!
Jiraiya vs pain was part of a different arc.
back then Kishimoto needed to prove he can write a good story to get readers. after that he could take a shit on the page and the fanboys would lose it
MS Sasuke couldn't even rape A and Killer B.
I always hate how Neji was reduced to nothing in Part 2
I remember being disappointed because there was 0 consequences to the whole thing. Made jiraiya's death kinda silly.
>Flashback of war orphans and Jiraiya's mission
Yes, you retard. Flashbacks are garbage.
>ripples of Jiraiya's death changing everything in Konoha
It literally changes nothing lmao, Naruto's character doesn't change one bit and the assault itself has 0 relevance to the story afterwards. You're so delusional.
>Naruto training and learning not only SM but also Jiraiya's will
And it meant almost nothing because he still needed to be saved by Minato.
>Pain slaughtering the village is mostly offscreen but Kakashi's fight was great
It also doesn't matter because everyone he kills comes back, including Kakashi.
was right. You're a pathetic and tasteless moron.
How would you rewrite the war arc?
Neji, Choji, and Kiba should've died fighting the sound 4.
This kek.
You could skip from Sasuke fighting Bee to the Cloud ninjas coming to Konoha and nothing about the story would change, because Pain's assault had almost no relevance .
SM Naruto ACTUALLY onetaps both Sasuke with frog punch and any version of any Rasengan. Hebi has 0 answer (Kirin takes prep time, CM is a joke compared to SM) and Susano MS Sauce is just delaying it, rasenshuriken rapes it
None of your points are valid. Calling something garbage is meaningless. Naruto changed in many very obvious ways and this kickstarted multiple subplots for him. Minato saving him from going full fox from Hinata's "death" doesn't invalidate shit. You dont deserve anymore answers, mouthbreathing retard. This thread is shit.
Yeah, him being the only one to become a jonin also meant literally nothing. He was never shown to fight any better than Lee, Tenten or any of the other chunin, and he still had to be in a 3-men team where that was led by other jonin instead of him doing stuff on his own.
That, and since nagato and konan were tricked by tobi, their whole plan is a dud. Their whole existence in the story amounts to nothing. Like, tobi/madara being behind akatsuki isnt a bad development but I wish nagato left more mark in the story you know?
make Naruto care more about the Uzumaki and the other Jinchuriki. They all fight Akatsuki and the villagers recognize their worth and stop treating them like monsters. The end of the series. Naruto never becomes Hokage but he realizes his dream as achieved
Let more characters die. You could easily rewrite the arc so that guys like Bee and Gai could die to show that this is indeed a war with stakes, but pretty much no "important" character other than Neji dies.
It really feels like part 1 was more mature about shit like this than part 2 was.
You're not looking at this as a story, you're looking at it as a cashcow.
You could make it narratively work.
By not doing it to begin with
Uchiha was a mistake
Hell nah, Kiba is my nigga.
The trio teamwork team only successfully worked as a team in the war arc.
Even his name is part of a three part thing. Killing him would be like having a trump card themed group without Diamonds.
the pain arc is fantastic until the transition to looney tunes animation and talk-no-jutsu
Part I is superior in every way
That doesn't mean he should be unkillable as a character.
this. you can't compete with soul
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