Suzumiya Haruhi

This should have happened

Haruhi and Kyon are for each other

College Haruhi when?

Yuki deserved that

Season 3 never ever.

Haruhifags malding over Yuki being more well liked by the general public, and thus making shitty memes demeaning her like this one and a few others is genuinely hilarious and sad at the same time.

Like I dont get why you guys cant just gush over Haruhi without shitting on Yuki or complaining that people are talking about her too much in threads.

Haruhi > Yuki
Asuka > Rei
Rei and Reiclones = a shit

Based.

Out-of-character art is the worst kind of art, maybe even worse that off-model trash.

I think Yuki is boring.

t. a person who has a folder labeled as "THE WORST" for Haruhi

funny

Rei is in a weird spot in that while she was a popular character, she was extremely underbaked. As a result, later characters that copied elements of Rei often ended up superior to the original simply by nature of *being characters*. Yuki Nagato and Eureka from E7 are both obviously of the Rei Clone lineage, but both of them have vastly more depth and agency to them than Rei herself ever did, who is basically just a background detail outside of 1.5 episodes dedicated directly to her.

Haruhi > Yuki
Rei >>>>>>> Redditsuka
My opinion is the only valid one.

I just hate yuki

aliens don't deserve love

I think most Yukifags like myself both, at least alien Yukifags, as you can see from me ranking how fleshed out their personalities are here Its mainly Haruhifags that shit on Yuki for being a “boring” character, and I get where theyre coming from, Nagato on a surface level is just an uninteresting Reiclone, who goes crazy due to Endless Eight and creates a waifu version of her that seems more interesting because she actually shows emotion, however the whole point of her being the one who created the alternate world is that she actually is an interesting characters with complex thoughts, emotions and desires, its just that due to the way she is unable to express these things normally, it makes both the audience and the main character dismiss clear signs of her deeper complexities because it is easier for us to perceive her based on what we can easily see with little effort, when instead one needs to put in effort to analyze her actions and remove our preconceived conceptions of her in order to be able to actually see her for who she is.

As such I completely understand people who think shes boring, but at the same time those people are wrong, I mean you cant call her antics during Day of Saggitarius boring.

What I mean by her not being a Reiclone, is that their personalites and character arcs are actually very different from one another, and in particular that Yukis arc has nothing to do with her struggling with her humanity or lack thereof, which is a key aspect of Reis arc, and what I would expect any character who is referred to as a Reiclone to have.

If however you define a Reiclone to be any character that is at one point an “emotionless girl” with short bluish hair, then sure shes a Reiclone, its just how that label makes them seem far more similar to one another than they actually are.

Ngl i used to like yuki back then but with time i realized she's so boring and haruhi is miles better as a person if i had to choose

tldr

yeah also yukifags are too tryhard making wall of text to justify her character dosen't help

This too

Haruhi is a bitch

ofc Haruhi is better in every way. Based Kyon.

Tl;dr

Yuki has a lot of personality, and depth, which makes her far from a boring character, the reason people may think shes boring is because she does express her thoughts and/or emotions much, and Day of Saggitarius singlehandedly shows that.wt4vn

*doesnt express

I only like the bespectacled version.

is that she actually is an interesting characters with complex thoughts, emotions and desires, its just that due to the way she is unable to express these things normally

So she isn't written as an interesting character, but your imagination makes her one, got it.

She is written in such a way that she rarely shares her thoughts and is physically incapable of making an emotional expression, however there are many , and I do mean many, moments in the series where you are able to tell her thoughts and feelings just from the things she is doing, I keep bringing up Day if Saggitarius because there is 5 different things you learn about her from just that episode.

You learn that she is a very competitive person from her insisting on them winning the game when she doesnt have to, you learn she deeply enjoys playing strategy games, you learn she is very investigative as she decides to look into whether the computer science club is cheating based on her suspicions, you learn she also really enjoys programming as she decides to visit the computer science club in the future, and you learn how incredibly socially awkward she is around strangers and leaving her comfort zone, where despite wanting really badly to visit the computer science club, she starts staring at Kyon and looks to him for guidance and trying to get him to speak on her behalf.

Those are all pretty major personality traits, and there are plenty other moments throughout the series depicting her personality in this way.

As a matter of fact there is a whole plotpoint in the later stories of Kyon “yukiwatching”, wherein he constantly tries to read her thoughts and emotions as he wants to be able to help her, and he self-reportedly gets quite good at it.

Inb4 someone bitches about tl;dr.

I'm passive, so having proactive wife like Haruhi would probably put some sparkle into my mundane life. With Yuki we'd just rot in our basement in front of screens.

don't care she is ugly and like a beta femcel.

yuki

Shouldn't even be a thing
Asahina and haruhi were enough

They have a hard time coming to terms with the fact that Yuki is best girl

Implying that's a bad thing

Im passive but also autistic, so I actually enjoy my life being mundane, and couldnt stand someone constantly trying to push me to do things, and Yukis the same so we would simply constantly indulge in our special interests together, a paradise.

TRVKE

haruhi is beautiful and feminine
Yuki isn't

Haruhi >>>>>>>>>> Yuki

yuki is for hugs and headpats haruhi for love

imagine the smell in that room....

competitive person

she deeply enjoys playing strategy games

how incredibly socially awkward she is around strangers

Those are all pretty major personality traits

Mate, you're talking about the most basic stuff as if it was something incredibly intricate and unique. Like if a normal character didn't have anything of this level, they wouldn't even be considered a full-fledged character, but rather just an NPC. But here for some reason her enjoying programming is something major for you. Have some standards.

You WORM. You think you can get away with posting shit? I'm going to find you and I'm going to GUT YOU ALIVE you VERMIN.

Yuki can't compete

Umm, yeah because you were complaining about her being an uninteresting character which I assumed you meant was the case due to her lack of personality, which is why I went out of my way to tell you about things that exist as a part of her personality.

I assumed you were already at least tangentially aware of her character arc, but if you arent here is a copy paste froma previous thread about which themes her character arc covers.

… and Yuki has 2 themes herself, wherein a warning is given against living through the motions, and only doing what asked of you, as it will result in life becoming repetitive, boring and tiring, leading to depression and suicide, and the 2nd is an assertion how one does not need to change fundamental parts of who they are in order to be happy, regardless of how strange or odd they may be, and that despite the difficulties and the can be happy the way they are and should be proud of being the way they are.

Also how are these things not major personality traits, there are plenty, and I do mean plenty of characters Ive seen that have nowhere near this many defining characteristics even just that we learn from this one episode about her.

Like this is what character development actually is, learning about and fleshing out things about a character, and its not a completely trivial and basic thing as it actually does take quite a bit of time and effort to actually properly establish these things.

Which yeah, her having these things simply makes her a good character nothing more, as she has meets the requirements of what makes a good character, but like I showed earlier she has genuine depth in her character arc that makes her even more than just a good character.

Umm, yeah because you were complaining about her being an uninteresting character

Yes, but what you described doesn't make her an interesting character at all. The most cardboard tsundere would have x3 of that and everyone, me included, would still call her shit because this is surface level stuff. Like take that bitch tsundere from Kurakon from the last season and I guarantee she would have a much bigger list of "major traits" like these, but she is still a shit character.

What you forgot to keep in mind is that these are just the traits we learn of during a single episode of the series, she possess far more traits which were established before and afterwards, I was simply using Day of Saggitarius as an example of how much we are able to learn about her from a single episode.

And importantly every single one of these characteristics remains relevant throughout the story, its not like these were forgotten or something.

Thats why these traits are major, because they endure and play a significant role at different parts of the story, like her social awkwardness in particular lends itself to a whole bunch of interesting moments.

What matters about personality traits isnt just the amount of them, but how weight/nuance/depth they have, that is what makes a cardboard tsundere a boring character, not that she lack characteristics, but that her characteristics are shallow.

You seem to be solely focusing in on how wide the pool of characteristics is, when the depth is what matters far more.

malding

As a Yukifag, I will never forget how in the disappearance of Nagato Yuki, the author had to rewrite Haruhi and Kyon's relationship because of how much chemistry they exuded with her first appearance. I love Yuki. But Haruhi and Kyon's thing runs the whole franchise. You have to be delusional to think otherwise.

Im not suggesting otherwise, what I was complaining about here are things like the pic in OP, and a few others which have Kyon shitting all over Yuki because she is shit and Haruhi and him are soulmates and she tried to force herself in and so on.

It reeks of fanboyism which I despise.

na,there are far worst. Taiga and Asuka for example. I'd love to see images such as this in which those bitches are severely beaten up

You seem to be solely focusing in on how wide the pool of characteristics is, when the depth is what matters far more.

I specifically said several times

most basic

surface level stuff

And when asked about what makes her an interesting character, you started listing this sort of things.

WA WA WA

Oh ffs, it seems that by “interesting character”, you meant character that inspires intrigue, whereas I understood it as “character who is fun to watch” based upon the previous comments.

Since youre asking what makes her intriguing I answered that, in the greentext, but I understand if that is too little/too vague for your so I will list a few excerpts from the LNs which show her being an interesting character with uniquw growth.

“Words…” Nagato spoke in a thin voice, barely above a sigh. “Words are difficult. I am not currently able to conduct discourse with another organic interface. My verbal communication facility is insufficient.”

I’d known that much from the beginning. But her silent nature was an important part of who she was—both for me and for Haruhi, I said.

“I…” she began, her expressionless face transparently biting back the frustration she felt. “If as an individual I had been given social capabilities…”

Her pale expression was infinitesimally close to blank.

“The possibility of my gaining tools like Ryoko Asakura’s was not zero. I was not made that way. I cannot change my predefined index. Until I cease functioning, I will be… as… I am.”

Nagato’s eyes were closed about three millimeters as they gazed up at the featureless ceiling.

I was out of words to offer.

“Request synchronization.”

The two Nagatos stared each other down.

“Request synchronization,” the gunshot Nagato repeated. The Nagato holding the pistol responded immediately.

“Denied.”

Even I thought this was weird—to say nothing of the Nagato who now held her glasses in her hand. Her eyebrows moved a millimeter. “Why?”

“I do not wish to.”

I was stunned. Had Nagato ever so clearly expressed a preference? It wasn’t an excuse. She had definitively and unambiguously spoken words of emotional refusal.

“…”

The other Nagato fell silent, as though in deep thought.

“…”

The night wind ruffled her hair.

The Nagato who had come back from the future with me spoke.

“You will reset the world changes you effected.”

“Understood,” said the other Nagato, but then continued on to say, “I cannot detect the existence of the Data Overmind.”

“It is not here,” replied my Nagato indifferently. “I am still connected to the Data Overmind in my own space-time. I will effect the reversion of changes.”

“Understood,” said past-Nagato.

“After the reversion,” continued my Nagato, “take whatever actions you wish.”

The newly repaired other Nagato looked to me, her head cocked ever so slightly. I was certain of the invisible information her expression revealed. Nobody understands Nagato’s feelings the way I do.

This Nagato is that Nagato. The Nagato who appeared at the hospital that night—that is her. The one who made me so angry by claiming that her punishment was being debated.

I also understood why the Nagato who came from the future with me rejected synchronization. She doesn’t want to tell her current self what action to take, when the time comes.

Why, you ask? It goes without saying.

Thank you—the words I heard from Nagato then are the answer.

So long as she would find out for me. I asked her to just do that synchronization-whatever thing.
But Nagato completely betrayed my expectations.
“I cannot. Currently, I am unable to synchronize with selves from either future or past space-time continuities.”
Before I could ask why, she continued.
“Execution prevention code was applied.”
I definitely didn’t understand that, I told her. Why?
“Because it was determined that it could cause irregularities in my autonomous functioning.”
So was it her boss that had sealed that ability? I asked.
“The Data Overmind concurred.” Something was strangely cheerful about Nagato’s expressionless face. “But it was my decision,” she said, sounding like she was reading a telegram aloud. “The release code is encrypted and held by a different humanoid interface. I cannot release the lock of my own volition. Nor do I intend to.”
Uh, so, in other words, Nagato couldn’t exchange information with her future self, nor did she have any way of knowing future events. So, obviously, she didn’t know the reason why Asahina had come from eight days in the future. So what was I supposed to do? I asked.
“You should act according to your own judgment.” I saw myself reflected tinily in her black pupils. “Just as I am doing.”
All I could do was drop my jaw. Nagato was speaking of her own volition. Had I just gotten a lecture from her?
“By losing the ability to synchronize, I have gained the right to greater autonomy. I am currently able to act according to my own judgment. I am not constrained by the future.”

Nagato was being extremely talkative, by her usual standards. What was bringing this on? I asked.

“I have determined that my responsibility of determining my future self is carried by my current self.” Nagato continued to stare at me. “Which is true of you, as well.”

She spoke very slowly.

“That is your future.”

I closed my eyes and thought.

text walls

tf is going on

Extracts from the LN, newfag-kun

god I want to make yuki cry

what will she do next?

from happiness

what would breeding her feel like?

very stinky

Kyon is a chad

making children with haruhi = strong sons
making children with yuki = autistic sons

all these excerpts with Kyon being surprised about her actually having tiny bits of personality and saying more than a few lines

Not the best display of a character being interesting, don't you think?

kyon is human and he would want to fuck with his species.

haruhi would make the better wife ngl
I doubt yuki even knows how to do that stuff

I will punch Haruhi's stomach if she if she gets pregnant

Haruhi x Kyon is the best

Did you completely ignore the enormous amounts of insight into Yukis worldview and how it evolved, and focused solely on Kyon saying how she isnt very talkative usually?

Because her being usually silent is a personality trait, you know plenty of people in real life are like that, myself included, but just like me she can and does speak quite a bit when she feels it is important.

And her not expressing preferences otherwise is down to her usually being quite passive and being perfectly content with just letting others set the tone, something which the latter 2 excerpts are directly addressing as having been a flaw and how she now places great value on doing things based on her own judgment, and which we get to see her do more and more of as the series progresses.

And also Kyon is just wrong there, she expressed preferences when buying the masks in Endless eight insisting on buying them herself, and in Day of Saggitarius she clearly wanted to visit the Computer science club she was just very socially awkward about it.

and how she now places great value on doing things based on her own judgment, and which we get to see her do more and more of as the series progresses.

And also Kyon is just wrong there, she expressed preferences when buying the masks in Endless eight insisting on buying them herself, and in Day of Saggitarius she clearly wanted to visit the Computer science club she was just very socially awkward about it.

I can't believe we are seriously discussing having preferences and acting of your own volition as important traits of an interesting character.
Sure, you want to show that she used to not have that but later she started to act more like an individual. But that's like taking a step up from an infant to a toddler.

Yuki has zero charm

Shy atractive Kuuderes are for kids, excentric and impredictable yet atractive women like haruhi are for adults.