le genius but lazy
i fucking hate this archetype so goddamn much
Le genius but lazy
Talentlets need not apply
I hate these characters because most of the time they never come off as a genius. Rather, everyone else around them just comes off as extremely stupid. But that's more of a problem with authors not knowing how to write smart characters.
it's realistic
genius people in real life invented an extraordinary invention, but they're usually not too successful in life
literally me desu desu
naruto is full of copeshit like this
I'm lazy, but hey I'm genius so it's okay
I'm talentless, but hey I'm hardworker so it's okay
my wife is so whiney, but hey she at least sometimes smile so it's okay
he never really was THAT lazy
Sounds like real life
people in real life are not as mentally ill
Same. Doesn't help that him being a "genius" just means that everyone around him has to act like an idiot for him to look smart.
He doesn't gove a fuck about useless effort. It's the result that matters.
Especially in Shikamaru's case. The strategy doesn't improve when he's doing it, everyone around him just becomes pathetic so that he can be praised nonstop
Acting like Shikamaru was the only one who could figure out Hidan's extremely obvious gimmick and THREE experienced Jounin couldn't was retarded.
"Hmmm...this guy has been raving about sacrifices and the conditions being met and his entire appearance changed after he consumed some of Asuma's blood. Not only that but he made a point of drawing an extremely suspicious symbol on the ground and standing in the middle of it before the damage was reflecting back to Asuma...Man, this is tricky! Shikamaru, can you figure this out for us? We're completely stumped here."
They still worked hard and passionately to produce their works. They weren't lazy. Far from it, in fact. Many of them just lacked business sense or a desire to profit from their creation.
I'm talentless, but hey I'm hardworker so it's okay
If you're talking about Rock Lee, that's not his character at all. He's not talentless either. He just only has a talent for taijutsu. He's dedicated, knows how to push himself to the limit, and makes his efforts matter. That requires talent and intelligence. Hard work doesn't always equate to results, but Rock Lee got amazing results in only a year as Gai's student and that was starting from being mediocre even at taijutsu. He was a flunky who was training wrong and had poor self-esteem, but acquiring a supportive mentor allowed him to utilize the talents he did have.
He's not talentless
literally his entire character revolves around him being a "talentless hardworker" fighting against talented geniuses, and the series states this over and over again
This cope of "a-ackshually Lee was a genius all along" will never work.
It's canon I'm afraid. If you've got no talent then you can't open a single gate no matter how many times you kick a log.
Gai was bullied because he couldn't do ninja techniques and neither can his dad despite the latter murdering four mist ninjas while turning to ash. He didn't bloat Neji's ego and had TenTen practice to be a tight holster because Kakashi spoiled Sasuke with the Chidori. Notice how Sakura became/fit/ after getting bullied by sound ninjas. Now Sasuke can't do anything without his arm and Naruto needs Senju arm hoping he doesn't become a Senju freak of Nature or a tree like Danzo.
this retarded cope again
Gai constantly called him talentless and the story itself still treated him like he never had any power afterwards. Kakashi was just impressed with how strong he was.
Kakashi called him talented, and he's a more credible authority on it than the green retard.
pretty much
What other characters in other anime?
It's incredible how the series like to maintain that these are all disciplined soldiers that are sworn to secrecy at all times, are responsible for carrying out espionage and convoluted plans at the drop of a hat, and are mentally prepared that they could die at any moment... and they'll randomly be weirdos like this for the sake of really low hanging drama.
It's so retarded how Jiraiya and the other characters kept shitting on Naruto for supposedly having no talent despite all the crazy shit he kept pulling off
manages to summon Gamabunta after a few days of training
"man that Naruto kid sure is hopeless, he's got 0 talent!"
learns the Rasengan in like 1 week and even comes up with a unique way of charging it up using the shadow clones
"heh, he may have luck on his side, but, compared to the 4th hokage, this kid sure is completely talentless!"
masters sage mode in a few days and surpasses Jiraiya
"THIS NARUTO RETARD HAS ABSOLUTELY NO TALENT, HE'S THE FARTHEST THING AWAY FROM A GENIUS"
It's like they desperately wanted him to be a no-talent failure, regardless of how little sense that made.
Naruto brute forces everything. It's why they call him talentless. Because he doesn't learn through logical deduction or spontaneously. He goes at it over and over again until he finally gets it. That's just how normal people learn.
completely meaningless babble
Lazy genius should be humbled more. Pathetic waste of talent.
LITERALLY me
Kishimoto has the wonderful problem of show vs tell where he manages to do both, but what he shows undermines what he's trying to tell.
You can kind of see some details that may suggest that Naruto is talent-less, but in that same capacity the majority of what Naruto can do is impossible for mostly anyone else and he still learns in record time. Learning shadow clones in less than a full night is just about the kicker. People will jump through hoops to make it seem like it should be a simple technique because it waves off the criticism, but it clearly shouldn't be a simple technique based on its rank and what it actually does. The bursts of effort he goes through to suddenly leap forward in strength at a moment's notice without paying attention to anything just makes him look lazy.
smooth brain
I'm talentless, but hey I'm hardworker so it's okay
Naruto has a whole volume just to show that hard work doesn't get you anywhere without genes
He doesn't gove a fuck about useless effort.
Who doesn't? Shikamaru?
He's got no talent for ninjutsu or genjutsu, but being good at martial arts absolutely requires talent, dedication, and a level of intellect.
Lee thinks of himself as untalented because he's not in the same way as many of his peers, but his taijutsu skill is freakish. For what reason would you deny the actual display of skill and talent he put forth in being able to learn to open several gates in the span of merely a year? That's not just hard work. Hard work and talent are needed to reach such heights.
but it clearly shouldn't be a simple technique based on its rank and what it actually does
The thing about the Multi-Shadow Clone Jutsu that got it forbidden is that it's simply too dangerous to teach to those without massive reserves of chakra. Naruto has huge amounts of it even if you don't count Kurama and can split off bits of his stamina willy-nilly without having to really worry about it. Your average Joe shinobi will drain their chakra in just a few clones and then die. Earlier on, Kakashi had a limit of like a handful of clones PER DAY before he had to rest.
I'm not talking about the multi shadow clone being forbidden, I'm talking about the regular shadow clone not being excusable as something "easy" when it's a higher rank technique that creates a fully independent, thinking, physically realized double that is indistinguishable from the real thing, that can perform its own techniques, and as the series goes on is able to beam back experience, remaining chakra, and sage chakra without any input from the user. And he learned that in less than a night.
his dad's name was Might Die
Holy kek
Wait, he took out four the SEVEN SWORDSMEN with him? Damn, how did I miss that tidbit before?
Kishi is also really bad at conveying smart characters. Most artist are. I don't blame them because I know I wouldn't be able to do it, but Kishi is exceptionally bad at it.
It was a random flashback added during the war arc right before Gai went 8 gates. Stupid last minute exposition
and they'll randomly be weirdos like this for the sake of really low hanging drama.
Not everyone has the same ninja way. Those are only ideals that shinobi hope to reach.
but being good at martial arts absolutely requires talent
No it doesn't, at least not in this series, and you can clearly tell that from comparing Lee to Neji.
Lee was trying to teach himself taijutsu before Gai began training him and failed miserably. He was simply lucky he had a good teacher and that he was autistically dedicated to improving himself.
Meanwhile Neji was born a genius and he managed to teach himself palm rotation jutsu, which was meant to be a jutsu that can only be taught to the main branch, yet he mastered it by just observing it. The difference betwen him and someone with no talent like Lee is obvious.
Yes, but he likes thick girls so he aight in my eyes.
To be fair, he was one-handing rasengans by the final arc.
There's hardly that many of this archtype for me to really care about.
Team Dosu got killed because they were too smart and Orochimaru can't be bothered to give Kin breast implants. The Chunin exams got created because these kids get caught cheating on the test. Honestly being a proctor seems like a good gig cause you get to see the shit heel tactics these fuckers do
Filtered.