Naruto is revealed as the reincarnation of a legendary ninja messiah
Ichigo is half-Shinigami + half-quincy+ half-human, half-hollow, half-god.
Luffy's fruit is retconned into a god fruit and he is basically confirmed by it to be the reincarnation of pirate jesus
Which series did the "chosen one" trope worse?
Pokemon Horizons
Naruto because the idea of Naruto being a nepotistic "chosen one" directly clashes with the pre-timeskip ideals he spouted about talent and hardwork.
He actually spouted more about bonds and friends. It was mainly rock Lee who spouted about hard work.
bonds and friends.
that was majorly post timeskip. before and during chunin exams nard was a major "hard work" faggot.
Naruto isn't about hard work, but about overcoming destiny.
Naruto is a chosen one, but let's not forget that he was chosen to continue his fight with Sasuke for eternity, and he defied that fate by becoming Sasuke's friend.
naruto comes from a long line of hokages, it was basically his destiny to become one also. he didn't defy that particular fate huh.
A long line of 1 Hokage?
1 hokage from his father's side, 3 hokages from his mother's side.
pirate jesus
But that's Shanks
That's not how halves work, buttface.
How many more times are we gonna do this thread?
This fucking thread again
The better question should be: Which mangaka was carried by their early editors the most? Whenever you see these long-running series who start to adapt themes and ideas near the end that clash with what they were portraying at the start of the series, it's usually because their original editors were responsible for a lot of the ideas that made their manga initially so popular, and as these mangaka became household names, their new editors had less and less power to reel them in, and they could basically do whatever they want.
Honestly, Kubo is probably the worst example of this. The Thousand Year Blood War arc reads like: "Kubo mostly just did what he wanted, and his editor was just along for the ride."
Bleach is ass. Actual garbage compared to Naruto and Wan Piss
Bleach is BS powerup followed by BS powerup it doesn't matter, so it's fine.
Naruto was trash because it clashes with his just a hard working loser shtick.(Though ninetails bs already did that imo)
One piece is like 1000 chapters in, completely unnecessary and adds nothing, if he got the same powerup with no chosen one explanation everything would be the same.
One piece one bothers me the most.
Honestly, Kubo is probably the worst example of this.
It is objectively Kishi. Every good idea of Part 1 Naruto was an editor idea.
Mate go watch his fight with Gaara again. And his battle with Sasuke. And Haku. The them of I was once a lonely boy but found friends and a team was always there. Not to mention the first chapter. Naruto getting past his loneliness was there since the first fucking chapter. That was the theme. I'm sorry you got distracted by Rock Lee and Negi and their garbage themes.
What also was always there was Naruto being a runt with guts but nothing else going on. He had no talents, Kyuubi was supposed to be a debuff that alienated others, his trump card was a stolen one-trick pony. Him learning the Rasengan with a workaround best exemplified his character, as someone who always had to make do with what he had and be clever about it.
This all went out the window when he got Sennin mode, the first bullshit power up with no downsides that he was super talented at out of nowhere. Then came many others, and him being a talented chosen one was not only lazy but went against his original characterization.
Naruto's goal was to be Hokage so everyone would acknowledge him. He has to be an underdog for this to work, which is why the story presented him as one until Shippuden.
yep, one piece's one was the worst just by how unnecessary it was and how everything concerning worldbuilding screeched to a halt after it
From the moment he's introduced, Luffy is not like the others. Naruto and Ichigo are all about training and hard work and going from normal to super but Luffy is a mysterious ultra powerful hero from day one, most of his early villains are doing everything in their power not to have to fight him because he's so much stronger than they are.
Nta but no, he was prophesized by Gamamaru, whike talking with Hagoromo, to change the world.
the theme is about bonds, not defying fate (wich is generally a dumb theme).
We always knew Naruto was special from the start, it never tried to hide this, so ironically I think it was the best. Ichigo's is just... weird. He ends up being part everything. Luffy's was plain dumb, we also knew he was special from the start and there were hints he was Roger's reincarnation or something like it, but the Devil Fruit stuff is retarded.
Would you rather this or 'completely normal guy but when isekai'd instantly becomes the strongest'?
>Naruto is revealed as the reincarnation of a legendary ninja messiah
wrong he isnt dumb naruto hater and he didnt got any power thanks to that retard. he only lend him the power to beat madara and kaguya after that he lost it again
Honestly wouldn't even mind the nika stuff if oda had forshadowed it better.
It's weird since he forshadowed lesser things but the main characters special power?
Nah, nothing.
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Yes he fucking is. Just as how Madada and Hashirama were.
Well Bleach and Naruto were cancelled and sales died off long ago. So you tell me.
Naruto makes a lot of money. And unlike Shit Piss, it's first in revenue making for the company that holds the rights.
Completely desperate
Naruto starts off in the very first chapter with him learning a Jutsu so powerful and in such a short span of time that other Shinobi consider it fucking impossible. This never ends and just continues.
Nothing about Naruto's character arc is at all about "hard work." Naruto is just a physical amalgam of everything he absorbs around him. He starts off naturally talented, it's just that nobody points it out until he learns Kage Bunshin.
Not a retcon, not a god, nor a reincarnation.
Which mangaka was carried by their early editors the most?
Kishimoto. We have Samurai 8 to prove it. Literally every single shit that got rejected in Naruto was in Samurai 8.
Nothing about Naruto's character arc is at all about "hard work."
Like how he was introduced as a dumb kid but tried to practice jutsu the whole day?
Or how both of his team members managed to complete the training tasks by their teacher faster than him?
Kill yourself, Narutard.
One Piece was the most half-assed one. Naruto clashes with the very first part themes, but the nine tail is introduced so early it's easier to deal with it (still lame). No idea about Bleach.
My brother, his destiny is exactly what made him retarded in the first place. He literally couldn't walk on water like his peers until Jeriya fucked with the seal.
They could train for a fucking year in the hyperbolic time chamber, and have as much prep time as needed, they would never beat Goku.
You’re misremembering that scene. He had issues walking on water because Orochimaru put a seal on him, and even then, he could still kind of do it. Ebisu was fully aware of the Ninetails and he chalked Naruto’s weaknesses up to a lack of skill, being a jinchurki was never physically holding him back.
You can’t make an interesting series if you have your protagonist getting curbstomped by some 2-bit villain. The story might as well end right then and there.
You can't make an interesting story if you have the camera over the shoulder your protagonist from chapter 1 to chapter 500+ either. Which to me, is the biggest flaw in these three mangas.
I really dislike Luffy's Gear 5, it just feels so out of place
Over 530 million copies of One Piece would disagree with you.
No. Tell me what in your opinion makes One Piece a great story instead. I'd love to read it.
530 million copies, duh
That's exactly how JoJo begins
And that’s exactly how it ended. Part 2 and 3 was one of the best parts because it didn’t kill off their main protagonists.
Naruto's character went through like four different interpretations; the chosen one was just the one that jived best with the setting-annihilating escalation that was Shipuuden's second half.
One Piece is a great story. Oda is just too focused on the Fight Club aspects that pits everyone against each other and they all have to be good vs evil. But this is why as a whole it sells hundreds of millions of copies and why your favorite story doesn’t.
Not what I asked.
Just tell me what in your opinion makes One Piece a great story? I need something to work with because I'm that guy that at most can only keep open tabs on this shit anymore.