Do you think, in a few years or maybe in 20 years, we'll return to hand-drawn animation on film or start using intentionally "bad" film techniques to make it look like the 90s?
Cel animation, my beloved
They're already doing that retard. Like four different anime this season use a more vintage aesthetic.
B-But I want muh hand drawn
Every anime still has painted backgrounds and moments where you can see little imperfections. From a purely visual standpoint, most of the "shortcuts" studios use nowadays result in a superior looking product. Complain about obvious 3D interiors and overuse of particle effects, there's no rational reason to go back to animating characters on cels.
Do you think, in a few years, morons will become intelligent enough to stop attributing an art style to a tool instead of the craftsmen holding the tools?
Like four different anime this season use a more vintage aesthetic
If you would be so kind, please name one of them and the best one not just released this season
shut up
Digital could already look good if everyone stopped using gradient overlays and pushed for more contrast.
did commercial productions ever go back to hand inking cels after xeroxing became the standard?
Kowloon and the Yaiba reboot come to mind but there's also a nod to 70s anime in the intro of Ninja + Assassin. Outside of this season there's still Banana Fish, Iruma-kun, Dororo, No Guns Life, 16-bit Sensation you get the idea.
16mm analog and 480p digital look identical, chud
Go back to whatever board you came from until you learn to stop posting in memespeak, retard.
16mm analog and 480p digital look identical, retard
oooh he got you there
He's still making a stupid strawman though
The elusive samurai has an effect where the "camara" shakes subtlety to emulate old movies
i miss hand drawn anime
If we're talking a few years' time, why not just talk about prompting a re-style for any given footage and let the AI handle it instead?
It never stopped being hand drawn
Yes, through AI post processing if nothing else. Since no one is capable of creating anything new and good I expect an increasingly close study of the old
it goes both ways, the tool used absolutely influences the artist. But yes no doubt the craft has declined in every possible respect
Hello, gigasatan. I see you still specialize in sophistry. OP asked if animators will eventually return to film instead of digital. This was responded to with the assertion that only the craftsmen influence what the final image looks like. This is either a blatant insinuation that film doesn't have any inherent visual properties or the assumption that the only elements of an art style are the ones that are independent from the medium, which entails the same thing but in an even more stupid and ignorant way.
to make it look like the 90s?
God no, most 90's anime fucking sucked and where slide-show tie....oh you mean the 10 anime you watched from the 90's and not actual 90's anime don't you? Man I hate you posters, but anyways it's not like those techniques aren't being used more and more by certain studios, a lot of the time it also comes down to coloring and the fact that KyoAni caused everyone to become retarded for a couple of years with gradients and shading. EluSam and Yaiba have done good jobs, the digital animated portions of EluSam without CG that is, City the Animation looks not washed out and I am looking forward to it and GiTS 2024 actual manga adaptation's coloring looks pretty good so far from what we've seen.
the craft has declined in every possible respect
Have to disagree, it's more so that because of a certain producer called Kadokawa insisting on producing 100 anime a year the amount of animators are spread thin throughout the industry. This does have at least somewhat of an effect due to the fact that you'd have less key animators in particular between productions and/or less time between individual drawings therefore leading to a lack of quality in those drawings, simplification of them or outsourcing to countries without the same level of skill or simply using CGI.
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GiTS 2024
*GiTS 2026
Sorry for the mistake
product
Cel anime is not just a "product", its got soul
soul
The word people use when they refuse to bend on their opinions on this hellish site
Beautiful hand drawn background abruptly cuts away to a low quality xerox copied plastic cel
Ah yes, 'soul'.
ainime
most 90's anime fucking sucked and where slide-show tie
That never went away.
oh you mean the 10 anime you watched from the 90's and not actual 90's anime don't you?
Ironically, a lot of the most renowned anime were slideshows over half the time, but I can recommend more than 10 mid anime so forgotten that you probably never heard of them but had plenty of solid animation, which also hasn't really changed.
1990 vs 2025
i kinda wish anime was like that, digital coloring really ruins details
LOL. I'll admit, that made me laugh.
theyre already doing that 2 years ago
reminder: Mahoromatic season 1 is the last time Gainax ever used hand drawn acetate cels.
The opening for this was beautiful.
You are underage and have seen 500 anime tops.
They don't make 'em like they used to......
I love simple artstyle so much, I'll definitely watch the csm movie with vhs filter
fogot pic
rest of the show looks nothing like this and has god awful colors
How do you get a filter like that?
it's more so that because of a certain producer called Kadokawa insisting on producing 100 anime a year the amount of animators are spread thin throughout the industry.
I think the primary cause is a decline in attention span on the part of both audience and creator, it's not just one studio and it affects way more than just anime
animators just show up for work. its just another rat race. audience attention span is measured in months if a work is very successful. No one, audience or creator, can become obsessed in the way that was once possible in the 90s and 00s
The world has become full of low grade stimuli and people have lost perception and depth of feeling as a result. its like the ipad kids who can't do anything without subway surfer playing on one screen but at civilization scale
it's not just one studio and it affects way more than just anime
Kadokawa isn't just one studio, it's one of the major producers along side Aniplex, Toho, Shochiku, CyberAgent (at this point) and so forth.
animators just show up for work. its just another rat race.
Always was, if anything it was worse back then since there was way less work to go around
can become obsessed in the way that was once possible in the 90s and 00s
Most of them weren't, from the year 1990 to 1996 is known as an anime ice age/depression in Japan specifically because every studio, because of the economic collapse in 1989, was essentially just pumping out low grade OVA's that where worse than TBATE's animation with a way worse story. Most of them where direct to DVD to try and actually sell and make money, the ones on TV where even worse. There was rarely anything good in this era of anime.
But the point is they can do it if they try.
My understanding was that Kodak was sole supplier of animation cels globally, and with the industry already turning they announced they were winding down in the 90s so everyone had to transition fully to digital by 2000, and no one else produces the cels before, during, or since because cost/demand.
we'll return to hand-drawn animation
Hahahaha.
Ahahaha.
Kekekeke.
Fufufufu.
New animators are not even taught how to draw and paint cels anymore. It's lost knowledge.
Please don't attach Muv-Luv to your trite old-man babble, thanks.