If demons in Frieren only feign emotions...

Do demons infight? I vaguely remember reading that they do.

Demon infighting results when one demon ends up attacking another demon, usually through unintentional friendly fire. Since a demon does not have the intelligence to cease fire in the event that a fellow demon blocks their line of sight, it will attack in revenge without regard. The damaged demon may then target the attacker, thus causing the two parties to engage in a battle of attrition against each other until one participant either dies or is distracted by a third party's attacks.

Isn't this just Doom

Principles do not necessarily denote emotions.

If demons in Frieren only feign emotions

They don't. Demons feign certain human emotions and morals, not all emotions in general. They are incompatible with human morality, not impassive.

Yes, demons have no issue with killing each other, they are anti-social by nature.

Qual wanting to get revenge isn't born of emotion, like regret for not being there to protect him. It is simply him wanting to prove that he was stronger.

So why didn't he just name it? He asked about the demon king and only swore revenge after Freiren's answer.

Do they reproduce old fashion way? Rod A Slot B? The ol' in and out? Beast two backs? Hummina hummina? Bing bing woohoo?

I dunno lol, it's not perfectly written

anally

Manga spoilers [spoilers] I think at least some Demons feel concern, as evidenced by Schlacht and his thousand-year plan to save the Demon race, which involved sacrificing his own life. [/spoilers]

OP, I have a serious question.
Did you remake the thread to canvass for more answers because you weren't satisfied by the responses the last few times you tried?

Fuck! I messed up

I think the whole having no emotions thing is mistranslated often. Should be “the have no empathy/ability to feel positive emotions”

They're psychopaths. They can still feel pissed off, annoyed, nervous, even feel primordial fear for their lives. They just don't have any empathy whatsoever, they're not robots.

They're a hierarchical species. They value the order and leader and a breakdown of order means that their lives are more vulnerable to their enemies. Linie doesn't want her leaders to die and Lugner wants Linie around as a resource. Qual was a scientist and probably respected the demon king's scientific patronage as we know the demon king also liked to perform mass experimentation on humans.

They have every emotion except like, love and malice

Qual wanting to get revenge isn't born of emotion

Yes it is, pride. Demons and psychopaths both feel emotions, they just lack things like empathy, the difference is in the overall moral framework not a complete lack of feelings. OP's premise is incorrect.

I checked the scene and it goes,

Is the Demon King dead? >Yes >I suppose I'll avenge him

This means nothing. He asked to check how things are like. It's obvious they'd have to fight anyway so he could've easily said that for the luls.

This. I don't know why so many anons can't understand that.

Really don't know what you are talking about.
This is just my German race autism.

half are speedwatching and half are baiting

Demons do have feelings and coexistence with humans is possible.
Frieren is actually the antagonist of the story

demonposting in the [current year] of our lord

Yes it is.

She's just impressed that their manipulation doesn't work on her because that's the only thing demons understand, strength.

If demons in Frieren only feign emotions

they don't though

Demons have feelings and emotions they just feel different, lack pack animal instincts and can't stop seeing humans as prey.

Frieren world building is retarded, to use language against humans they have to know context and understand the humans emotional responses. How the hell would the demon know to appeal to mother and father without first learning that humans have attachment to their parents? And they themselves use language to coordinate with each other.
Mid at best.

I bet it was supposed to be a short story but it exploded in popularity so it needed retcons to keep going. Especially since demons are so popular.

whats a father

youtube.com/watch?v=5Kr_J6eptIY

Demons in frieren are basically antisocial psychopaths with autism including the hyperfixations. And it can simply be the way they speak about it rather than how they actually feel or are concerned as another anon pointed out above.

Disagree, it's a cool concept. You observe from the outside and see that some words get certain responses. You'd have an outsider perspective kinda like an AI.

Because half of all humans have below average intelligence. This means that a not insubstantial number of them will be almost totally incapable of nuanced thinking.

Frieren world building is retarded, to use language against humans they have to know context and understand the humans emotional responses.

that's not true at all. LLM have demonstrated that's not true. most people think because they can add and string words together, they're god's chosen. not remotely true.
demons are bad guys who are incompatible with humanity, kind of like islam and democracy.

I love Linie, I'll show her how humans fuck and then she can kill me with sex

Frieren's demons aren't emotionless , they're clinically psychopathic . Their an entire race of Ogatas.

How does this filter so many people? The demons DO know that humans are attached to their parents, they simply cannot relate or comprehend the feeling for themselves because of their different nature. Demons don't have families and they don't love each other, "father" is essentially a meaningless term for them.

You can know that ants are attached to their queens while not being able to actually comprehend the feelings of being a eusocial animal, correct?

I think demons are Chinese Rooms and when they are having a monologue or even talking with each other, it's just going through the motions, it doesn't really mean anything. They're just highly effective because, like a LLM, the words they string together are perfectly rational to a human being. The demons don't understand it, they just know this combination of words is what works.
tl;dr you cannot prove the demons are not philosophical zombies.

That's not what is happening, the demons clearly understand the words they are saying to each other and to others.

I think demons are Chinese

That explains it

We should coexist with demons

entirely unfalsifiable. every demon could have a tiny little elf in his head doing human-to-demon translations, and demon-to-human translations, and the demon would be entirely unaware, he would simple be submitting inputs and evaluation outputs.
consider, if demons DID understand language, then they could reason with us. but they don't, not really. they understand it like a computer does. they just know what set of sounds to respond to any given situation in order the maximize fitness.

but demons have egos regarding their mana and concealing it

but demons are shown concealing mana, in a tit-for-tat, and this motive we interpret as "ego" because that's what they say it is, could just as easily be core demon behavior, a deep ganglial need to communicate mana honestly with other demons. it's probably how they organize so it's absolutely critical they all be honest with each other about their mana level, to ensure their heirarchy is correctly ordered with the strongest mana demon at the top.
just like insects: zero understanding; deep, persistent hierarchies.

It is right and just to genocide the demon race

blah blah emotions

Humans are the rightful rulers and demons have no place besides death.

redditcore mommy elf show is pro-eugenics, pro-genocide

based and redpilled

Übel or Fern?

Fern is a fatty

Fern squish is top teir

Sex with Linie.

Ubel is wearing the dolphin shorts, so Ubel.

Because the demon king being dead represents a turning point in the control that the demons have had over humans.

Wrong about what?

Ubel will fuck Fern before Stark does

kind of like islam and democracy

Based and truthpilled

This is the kind of stuff that makes me question everyone who thinks demons are flat-out evil. If they were pure psychopaths, they wouldn't care about sacrificing themselves for the sake of the species and would instead prioritize self-preservation.

Really, the entire conflict seems to arise from the fact that Demons are predators by nature, so would inevitably fight humans so long as they are more powerful. This is probably why the Demon Lord and Schlacht were willing to sacrifice themselves, because Demons can only co-exist with humanity if they view humanity as the more powerful force.

tried of waiting for their bfs to man up they end up banging each other

How big is her cock?

Demons are not "flat out evil" in the sense of always choosing the most wicked self serving action in any situation, they are "flat out evil" in the sense that they are collectively incompatible with human morality.
Demons are also not solely motivated by self preservation, for example they refuse to cloak their mana out of pride even if it would be advantageous and help them live longer. Psychopathy is not a perfect analogy for what they are, it's just good enough to get the important point across that they lack empathy.
Most of these debates are a problem of definitions, nuance and incorrect conflations. Half of this thread thinks demons don't feel any emotions or possess real intelligence, which are both explicitly false.

The source for the demons having no emotions are all diegetic, so they could just be wrong, or maybe they didn't have emotions in Flamme's time but they evolved them later on.

If they were pure psychopaths, they wouldn't care about sacrificing themselves for the sake of the species and would instead prioritize self-preservation.

Being ontologically evil and caring about the future of their own kind as a whole are not mutually exclusive

Sacrificing oneself for the greater good of the people is considered one of the most moral things a human can do. The largest religion in our world is based on God sacrificing himself for the sake of humanity.

If you perform one of the most unambiguous acts of moral good, you cannot be ontologically evil.

spoiler

I just don't see how you can prevent demons from making the individual evaluation that killing a given human is no big deal. Like, you can get them to understand that there will be consequences for getting caught, but then they'll just strive to simply not get caught.

Sacrificing oneself for the greater good of the people is considered one of the most moral things a human can do.

In our world there is only one known sapient species, this is not the case in Frieren, which means "the greater good of the people" does not meant the same thing. A demon sacrificing himself to save his own race will be terrible for the humans, elves, and dwarves that those future demons will prey on, this is not automatically an "unambiguous moral good".

You're comparing an act which leads to the salvation of humanity with one that leads to the damnation of humanity and saying they are the same because they both involve a self-sacrifice in service of some larger collective.

Demons aren't evil, I doubt they can even define evil.

I just don't see how you can prevent demons from making the individual evaluation that killing a given human is no big deal

I don't think it's any different from preventing people from making that evaluation. Law enforcement exists to make the cost of callous murder higher than coexistence.

A demon sacrificing himself to save his own race will be terrible for the humans, elves, and dwarves that those future demons will prey on, this is not automatically an "unambiguous moral good".

And a soldier in a brutal regime who sacrifices himself to save his nation is terrible for countless others, but it's still considered heroic in spite of the cause he serves.

You're comparing an act which leads to the salvation of humanity with one that leads to the damnation of humanity

The morality of self-sacrifice even applies to self-sacrifice that favors your people over others. Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.

Ehre

Lawful Evil under D&D alignment rules. The individual is from an Evil species and working to further the agenda of Evil. Such goals include world domination or destruction, which falls under Cartoon Evil in cartoon alignment rules.

based Ehre appreciator
she probably likes extra lovey-dovey hand-holding sex

Le chinese room strikes again

The individual is from an Evil species and working to further the agenda of Evil

That's not how lawful evil works. You could say that the rules of their society make self-sacrifice rationally preferable to self-serving behavior, but evil creatures are inherently self-serving. Otherwise, they're lawful neutral at worst.

World domination

You have to be alive to dominate the world.

Destruction

That's fundamentally chaotic in the D&D alignment system.

terrible for countless others

so I suppose we've abandoned "one of the most unambiguous acts of moral good"?

So you're telling me this is the very first thread you've made about Frieren, right?
Do not lie.

demon genocide best day of my life

go back

Why do you make the same thread every week?

but evil creatures are inherently self-serving.

no

Imagine a race where everyone is a sociopath

You don't feel anything for your comrade dying, but you understand you need them from a pragmatic perspective since their survival helps your survival

Just like how you realize the demon king existing helps your survival by being a strong demon that ensures other demon survival

Think about a race with no emotions, they only think entirely logically, but they still logically desire the existence of other demons because it helps their own survival

Wrong for not killing Serie (the Demon King) when she had the chance

that is like asking man eating tigers have human feels. or cuckold birds.

they not even logical. demons in freeren the undertaker eat humans for fun. they gain prana just by growing older. they never needed to eat anything.

They just aren't purely logical or solely obsessed with self-preservation, their actions still have some reasoning behind them. You wouldn't say humans are not logical just because they can act recklessly out of pride, it's the same with demons.

Frieren is poorly written.
The author equates lack of empathy with lack of emotion because he is retarded.

No (some of) the audience does this because they are retarded, the writing is fine.

why don't tigers eat hamburgers

Based

demon tiger don't even need to eat but they eat humans anyway.

No, because the act is good by its very nature. It's not a solely utilitarian thing (which, ironically, is how the demons tend to think).

No, because the act is good by its very nature

No, it isn't. Self sacrifice is not automatically good.

it's not a solely utilitarian thing

That is not the sole determinant of what is good or evil.

My theory is that demons were like humans before, but the more they delved into magic the more they lost their "human" part, emotions basically, there is a reason why the most powerful demon don't look humanoid like others. Maybe the reason why they kill others is because they notice they "feel" but don't understand, and killing people is a quick way of checking, spending some time with them to get those feelings including love would take too long and would require "fitting" in their society, which as we saw they can't do very well

They are not emotionless they are psychopaths. They will feel perplexed about a random village boy that is weeping over the bodies of his entire family while being capable of feeling frustrated if said village boy becomes an obstacle years later and not realizing the connection between the two. They are capable of emotion but it's only applicable to themselves they can't feel anything for other people or demons but as some anon said they can realize some situations are better for themselves and act upon it.
There's no reason Frierens demons wouldn't keep a village "safe" if it meant they could hide there if things go south, live there 10 years and then slaughter everyone when there's no need to hide anymore.

There's no reason I can't bring Linie to orgasm, her leglocking me with her powerful thighs so that I cannot resist creampieing her.
in this way a new human-demon aliiance can be formed.

Demons don't even seem to be natural because they dissolve into magic when they die. An evil sorcerer might have created them thousands of years ago for all we know.

I don't think it's any different from preventing people from making that evaluation. Law enforcement exists to make the cost of callous murder higher than coexistence.

Humans are highly social animals and will generally exhibit pro-social behavior without needing the threat of retribution driving it. Meanwhile demons require the constant threat of retribution in order to engage in any pro-social behavior at all.

If demons in Frieren only feign emotions

That's not true though. Hell, right from the get go, Flamme invokes like 5 emotional states to them including their love of magic and their pride in their mana.
As you go through the manga it talks about and shows even more emotions. What demons lack are some specific human emotions. The most notable being guilt. Demons are incapable of feeling guilt. The manga also suggests that demons may have emotions that humans don't have, but the author wisely doesn't choose to delve into that.

ok, but Linie and me can be a thing right?

Your "theory" is basically a way of compensating for the fact that demons were written in a disappointing way

probably just out of a sense of obligation, or that they "should", not so much that they are compelled to do so out of emotions like love, hate, or spite.

my "theory" is that Linie is perfect in every way and I wish she was my wife even tho she'll eat me

They do have emotions, just not all of the ones that humans have. Pride, anger, vindictiveness, curiosity, etc. But very little aside from that. Compassion and love are beyond them, and they can only understand other's emotions through cold logical analysis and pattern recognition. They have no empathy.

If demons in Frieren only feign emotions

They feign human-exclusive emotions, they do have other anamalistic emotions such as fear.

Linie is concerned about Lügners well-being

Never happened, I think you mean the opposite.

Qual wants to avenge the Demon King

He just wants to kill humans.

Is Rivale the most human of all demons so far? He's just your typical battle hungry old man, and he even has a sense of humor, unlike say Akuma

Demons evolved from a creature that roughly corresponds to a "Fae" or adjacent. This means to get to the root of the problem, you have to explain why Fae are psychos.

A distinction without a difference. The argument is always that demons don't care about each other, but then when we see them doing it there's always an excuse

Honestly this is probably the stupidest line in the series, demons genuinely don't understand what a father is? They're supposed to at least be intelligent right?

They don't reproduce sexually, so where is he supposed to learn the actual meaning? It's not something that comes up naturally when talking with other demons and earnest conversations with humans are few and far. So maybe a demon just picks up that it's one of those human relationship terms. Father, son, mother, daughter, wife, husband, friend, lover. The distinctions between these terms are all dependent on concepts that straight up don't exist for demons. And why should they learn more? Lugner could've used practically any of those words and had a similar effect and really that's the extent of what he needs to know to do his job.

I'm betting they are a creation of Elves

Might as well put seasoning all over yourself and save her the time and trouble
That's a monster, anon. You don't fuck monsters. Only villains do that.

Sex with Aura

So far we have no reason to doubt the story that they're monsters who developed speech and then evolved from there.

that image

I had no idea anyone else knew that show ever existed

Never made a thread like this, nigger.
This board has become pure faggotry.

You fell for elf propaganda dude.

they are brain sick retards and dont understand how anyone could see humanity the way demons do. I ultimately disagree with the demons more than the humans, but some of the shit you see every day around here is enough to understand why perpetual murder autists have a hard time figuring out humanity. the real reason to be against them is they probably wont use any of that knowledge to improve themselves even if you helped them figure it out, which is why soltear or whoever her name is is constantly using her higher than average demonic understanding of humanity to troll him. I get the feeling she would probably keep a human around for a while if she would realize the kind of pranks on him that would become possible, but she would probably even then not bond over that but eventually kill the human when hedonic adaptation occurs.

Frieren is right to kill all demons. There is no moral obligation to make yourself vulnerable to exploitation or danger.

him

sorry I forgot to say machts name

no rather she doesn't understand manipulation at all. she has a cunning understanding of manipulation, but a great understanding of human psychology. basically shes unaware that humans don't need to fixate on a superficial impression of humanity. like for example if you created a moving object that looked human and begged for help, but was just an animatronic, its only natural to not save it. but to soltier the fascade is a fixation. It's because she cant tell the difference herself between the two that she doesn't understand frierens ability to make value judgements. furthermore its unlikely that you could make an arguement that she is this way because of being a monster or demon. Most life forms understand the concept of competition and humans have that concept too. it would be rediculous to expect the same reaction to her face in all circumstances, to begin with other faces exist. other strength levels exist. a reaction to a veriety of situations is bound to occur based on context, and even animals can do that. down to being chummy with natural predators because of awkward circumstances. soltier doesn't know any of this though because she is trapped in her own head and way of thinking, just like frieren is was during the adventure when himmel was alive. she cant put herself in the position of the humans in these various circumstances. thats why she needs frieren to explain her state of mind.

personally i dont agree, theyre extreme autists. down to being unable to function even among themselves particularly well.

islam

this is Anon Babble you can just say jews.

ants pass the mirror test so you do you.

it's preposterous to claim the nuance disappears in a society of all humans, you can slice categories down until you get a categorical moral failing, like sacrificing millions of lives to end the 3rd Reich.

A distinction without a difference

I didn't know maria walston carter was in this thread

Left for hard, sweaty, tit jiggling plapping
Right for riding your dick until you die.

I haven't watched it, I just saved it because I like it.
Does anon recommend it?

ending the 3rd Reich was a "moral failing"

yes, ending the enslavement of humanity by neanderthal demonic halfbreeds these autists are based off of was a moral failure.
if you disagree get back to your fucking subcity rape cave

They don't reproduce sexually,

When was this established?

yes master

double negatived my own post