Why are timeskips in anime/manga almost universally shit?
Either too much changed and all the plot/character development was skipped over, or nothing substantial changed and the timeskip was completely pointless.
Most timeskips just feel like a lazy excuse to get out of actually writing the development in a way that feels organic, or a way to give the characters new designs for merchandising. They almost never feel earned.
One big thing I liked about how Dragonball handled its timeskips is that they weren't big events. It was usually just "...and then everyone chilled for a few years until the next major villain showed up". They usually felt really organic.
The snk timeskip and the first half of the Marley arc were great. It's only after that it all goes to shit. One Piece's timeskip was just mid, but made much worse with Fishman Island being really boring and the anime's pacing getting even worse.
Imagine japs at that time seeing grow up goku first time
The big one was really good specifically because it actually does change the dynamics quite a lot. Like fuck, Goku is an actual fucking father for half the manga, and we get to watch his son grow from a screaming toddler to a highschooler. It's hardly the best handling of that element, but it's honestly crazy how unusual it is to watch the main character of a battle shonen develop in that way, when so many of them are totally divorced from the ordinary growth of life.
I think One Piece is a great example of a completely useless timeskip. All it resulted in were some powerups and new character designs. And even most of the powerups were so minor that the characters could have just learned that shit between arcs and nobody would have batted an eye.
It's funny how DB did all that and yet every modern neo-nu-shounen treats timeskips as these grandiose and amazing things that will completely destroy the status quo and shit will get serious from now on... and it's just the MC getting new clothes and going from 14 to 16.
Everything and everyone inspired by DB took nothing but wrong lessons from it. And people wonder why DB is still king even with how hard Super and Daima have tried to ruin it. And funnily enough, now this affects modern DB too with how it refuses to move on past EoZ. Say all you want about GT, but at least it had the balls to go past it and fucking end things.
Is there any multi-year timeskip that manages to outdo or compete with the DB to DBZ skip? It's funny how most timeskips in shonen are a way to give the MC(s) a power increase, an offscreen big training arc, but I think Goku might have actually gotten weaker during that period before saiyans showed up
The main reason for DB's timeskips is Toriyama being lazy or bad at writing certain things, he'd admitted this himself
So he does a timeskip to avoid having to write things he's bad at writing
Mission Yozakura Family was close
and we get to watch his son grow from a screaming toddler to a highschooler.
It's funny how Dragon Ball did a "Boruto" better too. And within it's original series as well.
So smart and clever he manages to turns his weakness into a strength to the benefit of his story
My fucking HERO.
Bro, do you understand that most manga is produced on a weekly basis. It's a miracle the average level of shitness is where it is. Most of the authors are complete amatures straight out of high-school or university. Most of their live experience comes from other anime/manga/games. The industry is cutthroat to the point where planning out anything longer than maybe 100 chapters is not an option. The medium is slop by design.
Toriyama had to fight his editors to even be allowed to make Goku an adult, he was only allowed to do it because he threatened to end the series entirely if they didn't let him do it
I imagine other mangakas go through similar things with their editors. Changing/aging characters up too much is a huge risk
Haha look at Asta, little twat has the same 12 year old head on a silly riped body
I assume older series like Jojo probably had that issue, but timeskips are such a ingrained part of the genre now that the editors are probably the ones pushing for it.
Every are all anime shit
It's actually all shounenshit
Every time.
Shonen is not a genre, dipshit
And that was like forty years ago. It was an utterly unprecedented mode at the time, so I can see why they would shit themselves at Toriyama trying to do that.
But it worked out. Exceedingly well at that, too. There's a precedent. And the industry has changed a shitton since then and become a lot more free too. Honestly, any editor who's like that in this day and age is kind of a shitty editor.
Naruto's timeskip was incredible if you liked Sasuke.
He used that jutsu once
I was going to explain this entirely in text, but I think it's easier to explain visually.
Shonen manga start off strong because it's such a competitive market and only those with strong intros even get published.
They need to keep going strong to keep the audiences attention, but once an audience is hooked, the author can cruise a little bit and start padding out the length a little more.
Timeskip happens, but this generally doesn't impact quality meaningfully.
Eventually, the author runs out of ideas, but the manga is still selling, so he has to start making shit up which doesn't fit the themes or world nearly as cleanly as what came before.
Sales decline, until finally it reaches a head, and the author is told to wrap up all of these plotlines that he didn't even want to write in the first place in too few chapters, leading to a disappointing ending.
The reason why it feels like the timeskip ruined everything is because it's the only before-after line that we can actually see and not just guess the location of.
Dragonball ran for 10 years in real time
story takes place over the course of ~25 years in-universe (~35 years if we count EOZ)
One Piece has been running for 27 years in real time
story takes place over the course of less than 3 years in-universe
Well, there are series like One Piece where there's a far more tangible line: The editors. Almost every single one of One Piece's modern problems happened to start shortly after a new editor joined. (like we know for a fact that the editor who joined right before the timeskip was the one who encouraged Oda to start bloating chapters. He admitted it in an interview)
man fuck oda for ruining post timeskip years after it
I remember back then post was the hypiest shit ever
This
It's hilarious how the SH spent more time on the places Kuma sent them to than together.
It's even worse in cases like Brook when he didn't spend even a single month together with them.
I think Hero Academia is one of the worst in this regard. All that shit went on and I think not even a year passed in-story.
Akagi wins
yeah honestly the canon timeline is one of the things i like less about OP
the SH should have aged as they completed islands
The only thing I never liked about DB timeskips was the implication that everyone kind of just never met or hung out together or anything through them. They just spent all those years never seeing one another, never thinking of visiting one another, or anything.
One of the things I liked about Super was seeing the cast hang out and spend time together during their downtime. Maybe that's why DB SoL is so nice and pleasant to watch, because there's just so little in the actual manga.
That's exactly the problem though, all those non-canon spinoffs completely miss the point of this friend group. They are not people that hang out with each other to have fun, they are merely comrades. Sure they have each others back, but that's it.
That also makes each moments they do spend time together makes so much more meaningful. That birthday party in battle of gods felt so dumb and boring
I prefer naturally growing characters like with Hikaru No Go. There was no timeskip, the characters grew older chapter by chapter.
It sucks that the same artists other work, Bakuman, where the charaters also grew older naturally, didn't drew them older at the end(even though in that work, the characters start at age 15 and end at 25, and yet look the same)
that's what vinland did and it was kino
I'm surprised you didn't add in Bleach. That shit has such an egregious timeskip it's downright awful.
Ichigo broods because he's lost his powers even though all he wanted was to live an ordinary life and this lets some new bad guys take advantage of him by promising him exactly that.
Rukia does not visit him once even though they are supposed to be super close to another another; neither does any other Shinigami because they're supposed to be morally grey or something and weren't allowed to?
Orihime does not make a single move on him despite her main rival being gone; he doesn't notice her love either.
I think there's some supplemental material that says
ackshually a lot happened in the timeskip and this all makes sense yadda yadda
Such a retarded shounen, I swear. I don't know about OP, but this really is on par with Naruto's timeskip (Jiraya teaching him jack shit).
Vinland had multiple timeskips though.
At least the new designs were cool.
xitter thread
shounenslop
go back
None of those were bad because of timeskip but just lost the charm because the lost of novelty. They were all bad from the get go but you found charm in them because they felt novel.
Allowing shounenchildren on Anon Babble was a mistake
It changed the structure of the world order, that was the point there. That shit couldn't just change overnight
That birthday party in battle of gods
was the highest point of Dragon Ball
Because time is linear, timeskips leave much to be desired.
that only makes sense in DB because some characters age slower than normal, others don't age and others do magic surgeries to look young
Ends result is they change just as little as OP characters so who cares
OP timeskip not only had the characters grow stronger, but it allowed for significative changes in the world and the other characters that exist in it.
Naruto’s timeskip was just for the kids to become stronger, since the world itself isn’t as dynamic as OP so everything else remained unchanged as if waiting for the story to resume.
BC… really? It was just a mandatory timeskip because everyone is doing it now and the author needs to copy everything he sees. It was fully unnecessary and just there to market new character designs, like Bleach’s