Harsh truths about anime and manga

The more "cute" and "comfy" the show the more depressed adults who watch it are
Most "female" mangaka are not except for shoujo works
Shonen fans are happier
Clannad, Your Lie in April, Erased, and Frieren are for people who can't tell they're being emotionally manipulated
Gay anime is for gay people
"Interviews" where staff divulge their thoughts are staged and pre scripted
The average anime is so badly animated and produced that CGI looks better in comparison
Most romance anime isn't romantic
The successor to otaku culture is incel culture
Most of the industry is feminist
"Mature" anime is not mature
"Philosophical" anime is just didactic
Interest in shipping is a strong indicator that someone identifies with lgbt and has left wing views
Chinese and Korean competition is rising unchecked by Japanese companies which learned nothing from past domestic industry displacements
The battle between AI adoption and AI haters will be won by AI
A character being a waste of a great design is nonsensical
Japwank is always related to shame over losing WW2 with no exceptions
Romance for men assumes the viewer is unfuckable but romance for women doesn't
The 2000s had the best anime on average
Anger over tariffs will lead to a rise in anti-American themes in anime in coming years
Japanese is also a dub
If you can't show the anime you watch to your parents, it's porn

Kill yourself.

Clannad, Your Lie in April, Erased, and Frieren are for people who can't tell they're being emotionally manipulated

This is the most teenage thing I've ever read.

heh, this sad story expects a sad reaction. i've outsmarted them

Did it not even occur to you that a sad story could be told without manipulating the viewer's emotions?

You realize you're not actually saying anything right?

all stories are manipulative retard, the author manipulates the shape of words onto a specific shape, to evocte some specific meaning to the reader.

TRVTH NVKE

Chinese and Korean competition is rising unchecked by Japanese companies which learned nothing from past domestic industry displacements

competition

They can't produce anything worth jackshit and the only thing they're "competing" in are the retard olympics against syosetu/kakuyomu novel adaptations about some weakest faggot with black mop hair being actually the strongest

you shouldn't be allowed to post on Anon Babble until your MAL/anilist account has at least 500 completed anime

Retard olympics is the olympics though. The paralympics is everything else.

i thought this was an nhk thread, booooring

This is all non sense without anything to make up anything
Shounenfags are probably happier but that's because they're normalfags.

The successor to otaku culture is incel culture

Retard. Otaku culture is about being a fan of manga and anime. Not about wanting sex or some shit.

Interest in shipping is a strong indicator that someone identifies with lgbt and has left wing views

Why so much emphasis on political views I don't care. Last thing when I see someone liking something I think "I bet they have left/right believes". It's non sense.
Overall. You're a retard who thinks you're smarter than you are and have zero knowledge what otaku truly stands for.

eh you are correct in that otaku culture no longer exist
it's just a hybrid of cultures now

Scene from a sad story done well

It's sad.

Scene from a manipulative sad story

It's sad and it flashes a MONTAGE OF THE TOP TEN MOST SAD MOMENTS ON SCREEN as it plays sad violin music and zooms close up on a character you are supposed to relate to crying and clenching his teeth

That's called good directing, they pick the perfect ost for the scene.
You may not like it, but that's what good directing is.

because moepigs (OG otaku) evolved into either
1. salaryman gachafags; or
2 v-buta (vtuber fags) incels
or both

introduction of digital media also means death of physical meetups and culture (Akiba is dead)

Otaku culture is about being a fan of manga and anime. Not about wanting sex or some shit.

nta but he's correct that otaku culture was originally an underground subculture primarily made up of sexually unsuccessful males that were later pushed aside in favor of the common denominator as nerd culture was co-opted by corporations for the masses

I'm tired of cute moe shit. Actually give me fun goofy battle Shonen again with cute dumb male MCs

I am happily disgusted by your thoughts. They make a lot of stupid sense.

Sad scene uses sad music to emphasize the moment

No shit. That's Iike being angry that fighting scenes have intense music. Tense anxious moments use creepy music.
Emotional manipulation is always a retarded argument and km starting to suspect it's said by people who are angry and immature who can't handle certain emotional intensity in their shows so instead of confronting their weakness they call it emotionally manipulative.
Clannad is a show which earns its sad moments.
Rather than emotional manipulation. Badly done sad scenes that are too over the top is something I'd call melodrama. When the presentation doesn't fit the conflict. Or the story has done a bad job connecting us to its characters so the sudden attempt at emotional intensity falls flat and feels forced. That's not manipulation though.

Tell, don't show

The more "cute" and "comfy" the show the more depressed adults who watch it are

Proof?

Most "female" mangaka are not except for shoujo works

Proof?

Shonen fans are happier

Proof?

Clannad, Your Lie in April, Erased, and Frieren are for people who can't tell they're being emotionally manipulated

Storytelling is inherently emotionally manipulative.

Gay anime is for gay people

Most yuri and yaoi is made for heterosexual audiences.

"Interviews" where staff divulge their thoughts are staged and pre scripted

I could believe this, but proof?

The average anime is so badly animated and produced that CGI looks better in comparison

What do you mean by “CGI”?

Most romance anime isn't romantic

Elaborate?

The successor to otaku culture is incel culture

The two are only tangentially related.

Most of the industry is feminist

Which wave of feminism are you referring to?

"Mature" anime is not mature

I don’t outright disagree, but they tend to be more mature on average, of course, maturity is a spectrum and you can draw a line wherever you wish. If you’re concerned about maturity, and anime doesn’t do it for you, you may want to move on to another medium that is suitable for you.

"Philosophical" anime is just didactic

Elaborate, what is the issue with the author having a position?

Interest in shipping is a strong indicator that someone identifies with lgbt and has left wing views

Proof?

Chinese and Korean competition is rising unchecked by Japanese companies which learned nothing from past domestic industry displacements

True.

The battle between AI adoption and AI haters will be won by AI

Almost certainly true.

A character being a waste of a great design is nonsensical

I don’t understand the problem. Elaborate.

Japwank is always related to shame over losing WW2 with no exceptions

I am not Japanese and refuse to comment as if I’m a mindreader as to the nature of patriotism.

Romance for men assumes the viewer is unfuckable but romance for women doesn't

Show your work.

The 2000s had the best anime on average

It depends on what you value. Variety and risktaking? True. Aesthetic presentation? Probably not.

Anger over tariffs will lead to a rise in anti-American themes in anime in coming years

Maybe.

Japanese is also a dub

But “sub” is an easy nickname for everyone to understand.

If you can't show the anime you watch to your parents, it's porn

Objectively false, people don’t like or get offended by non-pornographic material all the time. My father dislikes animation in general for example.

nta but he's correct that otaku culture was originally an underground subculture primarily made up of sexually unsuccessful males

Not the focus nor emphasis.

no

you didn't have enough with kimetsu and jjk
You want more?!

There's plenty of shounenshit out there. Just go watch it.

Shonen fans are happier

Frieren are for people who can't tell they're being emotionally manipulated

My nigga in christ Frieren is a shonen manga

If you can't show the anime you watch to your parents, it's porn

fair enough.

You need to be in the 15-20 age range to care about any of these points.

otaku culture was originally an underground subculture primarily made up of sexually unsuccessful males

Bro it doesn't take you being a sexually unsuccessful male to want to watch anime and read manga and engage in the culture. If this where the case then the Japanese housewives who kept the original Gundam series alive long enough for Gunpla to exist wouldn't exist. Shojo manga and areas like Otome road in general wouldn't exist if this in the way they do now and did in the past if this where the case.

you remind me of modern christians desperately trying to deny their religion's semitic origins, you're so ashamed of being associated wth incels when anime & manga would be totally different industries without their influence

The harshest truth of all is that TAS is a hack who gets off to calling everything and everyone shit because criticism is easier than defending something.

NTA.
“Incels” and “incel culture” are different things.

the dude who has a motto that "retro is always better" yet refuses to talk about retro shit.

If this where the case then the Japanese housewives who kept the original Gundam series alive long enough for Gunpla to exist wouldn't exist

What a fucking retard you are.

What did he say that was wrong?

A bunch of manchildren that can't fuck women liking manga and anime doesn't mean manga and anime otaku culture originated with them dumbass. What do you think Otaku culture is? Where and when do you think it started from?

nah he's right early ota we're less incel because they lived in the middle of the post war economic miracle and hikkis from the lost generations weren't yet a thing.

A bunch of manchildren that can't fuck women liking manga and anime doesn't mean manga and anime otaku culture originated with them dumbass. What do you think Otaku culture is? Where and when do you think it started from?

Otaku culture originated obsessive manchild autists who dedicated their lives to children's cartoons, this isn't controversial and is what Japs themselves state

they lived in the middle of the post war economic miracle and hikkis from the lost generations weren't yet a thing.

Japanese birthrate was already rapidly declining by the 1980s,

NTA but you've made yourself look like the biggest retard on the planet. Everyone even remotely into Gundam knows that the primary audience who watched and kept the first series alive, and continued watching Gundam even after the first series, where Japanese housewives. This is because at the time men where more into tokusatsu and episodic shows like Himitsu Sentai Gorenger and Mazinger Z while Mobile Suit Gundam was a lot more story based and was more in line with the J-dramas that housewives in Japan watched at the time.

Everyone even remotely into Gundam knows that the primary audience who watched and kept the first series alive, and continued watching Gundam even after the first series, where Japanese housewives.

the first series wasn't kept alive, it was cancelled and became popular through reruns and the movie compilations, stop making up fairy tales

Fpbp

stop making up fairy tales

They really do just make up anything to suit their narrative

umm sweetie Gundam didn't become a huge franchise through autists buying gunpla models it was actually Japanese housewives, this industry was always feminists and inclusive!

I disagree with a lot of yours, I’ll post some of mine:
1. One dimensional characterization isn’t always a bad thing. People love many shallow, archetypal characters in the right context. James Bond wouldn’t be better if he was revealed to be compensating as a suave superspy over a bad family life, Freddy Kruger wouldn’t be better because he secretly has a deeper motive.
2. Episodic story structure has its own merits and is not strictly worse than an ongoing narrative. Slow status quo changes and episodic plots allow for more crystalized characters/dynamics to be explored horizontally, in different unconnected context, a defined sandbox to play in. Urusei Yatsura is a gold star example, its structure doesn’t rush ahead with one story, so it is permitted to play with everyone in so many more ways.
3. Filler is not necessarily bad. Most elongation filler is (padding manga moments to slow everything down) but anime original content can be a major selling point of an adaptation, with extra character work and filling out of the world. The issue isn’t filler, but bad filler.
4. Dubs are genuinely a different show. Some dubs have merit for various reasons, but if you have only seen the dub, you have only seen that show, not the original. This is true no matter how faithful the dub is.
5. Style is substance. Anime is an audiovisual medium and while it’s fine and good to care about the script, premise, characters and themes, the audiovisual presentation is a large part of the point, and can be enjoyed in isolation or symbiotically with the narrative.
6. “Sakuga” or “high quality animation” is not the be all end all of visual aesthetics in anime. Art direction, character designs, backgrounds, visual direction, etc are all relevant. There are some anime that don’t have technically great animation, but are aesthetically beautiful anyway by excelling in these other factors. Limited animation is not a bad word.

No, no it can not. A story can't be anything if it doesn't leave an impression on your mind.

the first series wasn't kept alive

Read this post again, slowly this time >who kept the original Gundam series alive long enough for Gunpla

long enough for Gunpla to exist

The original series was supposed to be axed and conclude much earlier than episode 43 and even episode 39 however the housewives kept it alive long enough for Bandai to actually take interest in making plastic models we now know as Gunpla in the first place for the series. The making of Gunpla got the series a large boost in popularity which eventually lead to the reruns and theatrical releases and the rest is history. If Mobile Suit Gundam did not have an actual audience it would have been cancelled much earlier than episode 43 or even episode 39. That was anons point.

Let it go you freak, Gundam was cancelled and Japanese housewives were not important to its success

off-topic AI shilling unrelated to anime

Kill yourself MAL tranny.

Sorry to burst your bubble champ. Based on your posts you have a real tough time being humble.

Alright then, cancel it at episode 20 and see if it would have still been successful or Bandai would have actually wanted to make Gunpla of it. Oh wait, Clover where the ones making the toys for Gundam then and only left way later into the series. Do you really think Gundam would have actually made it to episode 43, fuck episode 39, if it didn't have an audience in the first place? When do you think Bandai started making Gunpla? They weren't even the original toy makers for Gundam. Fucking Fujo shipping of Char and Amuro existed from way back then as well as much as I despise it.

Most "female" mangaka are not except for shoujo works

What makes you say this?

Japwank is always related to shame over losing WW2 with no exceptions

Nah if anything it's the opposite, it's the west who's obsessed with this fucking war, most of japan has moved on like a thousand points at this point.
Of course i say "most" because there's shit like Gate, but they are an exeption.

Clannad, Your Lie in April, Erased, and Frieren are for people who can't tell they're being emotionally manipulated

I've only watched Clannad of those, but I knew from the start that it was one giant tragedy-porno with no purpose beyond viewer emotional manipulation, and I loved it

Yep. Sometimes you just want to jump in front of the sad train and let it hit you. What next, you’re going to complain that horror media tries to spook you?

Tomino

he's a troll, I mean really come on now

umm it was cancelled, but not cancelled super early thanks to the efforts of the housewives

such a bizarre headcannon, just let it go and attribute the success of Gundam to autists buying toys like any sane and rational person would, it's genuinely really sad seeing people trying to retcon history this way

Dubs are genuinely a different show

Yeah, as a DB fan I've seen how sub and dub differences can split a fanbase completely.

A lot of this stuff sounds like your opinions and not truths. I want to address one though.

Shonen fans are happier

Do you refer to people who ONLY watch shonen (i.e., normalfags) or people who watch loads of anime including shonen? As the latter, this really isn't true.

I’ll take Tomino’s word over yours, you pathetic faggot. There’s no shame in being wrong and learning something. There is shame in being embarrassed to always be learning (like everyone on the fucking earth).

Nigger, take away the female audience it had and it would have no audience at all. Do you honestly mean to tell me that it would have reached episode 43 if it had no audience at all?

>Tomino

he's a troll, I mean really come on now

Lmao, retconning history I see.

And? Are you saying those two things are mutually exclusive?

The author being a woman is a selling point to certain (male) audiences

(OP)

Clannad [is] for people who can't tell they're being emotionally manipulated

You are like a little baby. Watch this

I'm interested in the truth, you're just some loser taking quotes of context to push a narrative deep down he knows is a lie.

Nigger, take away the female audience it had and it would have no audience at all.

This is headcannon, there is no data on the gender or age of who watched the original run of Mobile Suit Gundam, but I would wager it was primarily male based on who bought the toys and became its fanbase.

I’ll post the actual controversial truth: Normalfags, on average, have a more difficult time differentiating between fiction and real life. By and away, most people obsessed with fiction are fully aware that it’s fiction, and the fact that it’s fiction is what makes it fun. Normalfags on the other hand, care more about their appearance than the fiction itself, so they lash out at anything that could oust them as “weird” to the herd.

Don't Trust what tomino said

Instead trust my headcannon

I’ll disregard the word of the director and creator because I want to be right.

You don’t care about the truth at all, worm. The lowest form of midwit, the unchanging one. I hope you’re still young and dumb.

eh you are correct in that otaku culture no longer exist

No shit. There used to be a movie culture decades ago. There also used to be a vidya culture decades ago. They all disappeared as soon as cinema and vidya became mainstream. Anime lasted longer because of the early fansub groups and what they meant to the community.

4chin comes back

retard decides to post low effort bait

it's still up

1 hack wasn't enough

This one is actually true. Normalfags that I know say 'they like anime' but whenever I mention anything that isn't super-popular and mainstream, they get pissed.

the audiovisual presentation is a large part of the point, and can be enjoyed in isolation or symbiotically with the narrative.

I can't enjoy an anime show/movie if I don't enjoy some of the characters or the premise itself no matter how well it is animated.

but I would wager it was primarily male based on who bought the toys

You mean the toys by Clover that didn't sell at all? You do realize that Gunpla did not exist until way later in the series until Bandai came along around the end of the series and decided to make them and that's when the male audience for the series actually came in with the autists buying model kits.

While I agree all stories are """manipulative""" to some degree, having a character cry on screen is actually an extremely ineffective way to make the audience cry. You don't cry because a character does, you cry because they can't and replace a healthy way to cope, like crying, with some toxic, useless coping mechanism. Like killing their lover's murderer and dragging the corpse for three loops around the city of Troy. The point is to make the audience cry, not the character.

Likewise, if I can’t get any aesthetic appreciation out of the work whatsoever I’m very unlikely to enjoy it. But I’ve gotten pretty close to both extremes before.

Tomino isn't even describing housewives in that quote, he's taking about young groupies he wants to bang. Get a clue and stop taking his bullshit as gospel

It entirely depends on context. Watching a character break after staying strong can hit you.

Honest question. Why are you guys such faggots? The "otaku culture" was about having FUN. Is this fun to you? We are back after 11 days and it's the same shit. The same shitposting and the same 2 retards arguing about meaningless shit.

Instead we take your bullshit, a westoid who wasn't even alive back then, as gospel right? And why the fuck would Tomino have groupies in 79?

I’m in the same boat anon, I miss the fun. Anon Babble wasn’t always this self serious. At times I wonder if jaded old faggots are the actual cancer.

fpbp

OP gets a lot cuter when you consider they've been carefully stockpiling these duds for two weeks.

well it's no longer the past so why should it be the same.

And who actually bought the Gunpla and made Gundam a billion dollar franchise?
This question isn't timed, don't worry.

The "otaku culture" was about having FUN.

otaku culture was about losers trying to etch out their own hobbies and communities before being pushed out by people like you for being "weird"

yeah expecting discussions to stay the same is retarded

What manga/anime do you mention to them?

Boku no Pico

isn't me. Even when I mention things that aren't that obscure (in terms of anime) nor degenerate, like Gintama or Bocchi, they get really annoyed at me for being 'weird.'

Fr fr no cap.

Both of those are obscure and degenerate.

You clearly weren't here 15+ years ago if you can't remember a time when people on Anon Babble were actually having fun.

Yeah, by normalfag standards they are.

degenerate

The irony in this is that many normalfags, including one of my friends, watch Dandadan, which is more 'degenerate' than something like Gintama or Bocchi ever will be, and think it's 'peak fiction.'

Literally OP right now

Sorry. I meant Shoujo Ramune.

a time when people on Anon Babble were actually having fun.

yeah that's because it was a smaller, more unified group of people, now it's just every asshole in the world, half of this thread is probably Indians posting

ah yes blame the indians and not the self imposed passive aggressive irony poisoning that happened in the mid 10's that affected the quality of discussion on this board.

Don't forget the obsession with bait too.

Indians

*Southeast Asians

I'll never understand the neuroticism regarding Indians

You can't deny that social media discourse became exponentially worse at the same time third worlders got internet connectons

Yes, I can.

normalfags did more damage than thirdies.
Everything you say thirdes did, it's actually normalfags.

Every single thing you said is 100% true and a every single coping, in-denial reply that follows just serves to prove the point further.

Stop replying to bait threads. It's literally some non-otaku faggot making shit up, stop replying. Make a different thread if you hate the bait, most of the threads right now are old for reasons, so make a FUN thread and stop crying.

This.

NOOO YOU CAN'T TALK IN A THREAD I DON'T LIKE AARRRGHGHHH

Can you provide an example of the former and latter?

Also forgot to add that I am trans.

Surprised no one has contested the cute and comfy point. Maybe this is more common knowledge than I thought.

He's right though this thread is dogshit

What else WOULD a retarded pretentious old japanese faggot even DO but want to just fuck groupies. Checkmate FAGGOT.

I mean yeah iyashikei was made for depressed japs.

exactly that's why it's called "healing" it's for healing broken people

so were do the teen girles who saya uta is literally them fall into

This ain't sharty faggot. Go back to your shithole and stay there.

Are these girls, or online "girls"?

t.ranny

yes real online girls. many here don't know how popular anime is with American women considering it's now the most popular "aesthetic" they consume.

Examples of emotionally manipulative sadness were already provided.
A great example of a sad story not told in that way is In This Corner of the World.